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This article is about Abraham Galloway, an American slave who escaped to freedom, served as a spy and recruiting agent for the federals during the American Civil War, advocated for suffrage rights for his people, and briefly served as an elected official in North Carolina before his death of natural causes. A rather colorful character, he was known among his contemporaries for his pugilistic oratory. He traveled well and was acquainted with Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln. Somewhat unusually among his cohort, his modern reputation appears mostly unstained by allegations of venality or corruption. This article has passed a GA review (I recommend potential reviewers peruse this for some clarification) and I believe it meets the FA criteria. I have all of the cited source material on hand to answer relevant questions.-Indy beetle (talk) 08:08, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
File:Galloway Abraham.jpg: Licensing: Public Domain. Image has proper caption/alt text.
File:Market Street in Wilmington, 1855.png: Licensing: Public Domain. Image has proper caption/alt text.
File:Slaves entering New Bern, January 1863.jpg: Licensing: Public Domain. Image has proper alt text. Remove the period in the caption, because it is a sentence fragment.
File:Petition of North Carolina black leaders to President Lincoln, 1864.png: Licensing: Public Domain. Image has proper caption/alt text.
File:Harper's weekly (1865) (14764770955).jpg: Licensing: No restrictions. Image has proper alt text. Remove the extra period after "D.C."
File:C. J. Cowles and A. H. Galloway.png: Licensing: Public Domain. Image has proper caption. Alt-text: "An engraved drawing showing a white man and a black man..." Per MOS:ALTCON: "Unless it appears in an article on fashion, the alt text for [an] image of Elizabeth II should not be "an elderly woman wearing a black hat". Similarly, the alt text should refer to Cowles and Galloway by their names, not "white man" and "black man", respectively.
This article is about the Panathenaic Way, a key thoroughfare and processional route in classical Athens. Mostly known as the route of the procession of the Great Panathenaia, which brought a new robe to a statue of Athena on the Acropolis every four years, it ran from the Dipylon Gate in the city's northwestern wall to the heart of the Athenian Agora and the religious sanctuaries of the Acropolis. It is one of the oldest routes in the city, at times has been its widest, and is certainly its most storied.
The article has had a chequered history: I took it on to save it from deletion about eight months ago, after it was created by another editor (openly) using an LLM (in the old days before WP:LLMPROD. It then underwent a GA nomination in May. I've made some improvements since, mostly around trying to fill out the slightly murky history of the Way in late antiquity and the archaeological work on it in the twentieth century, which has largely been piecemeal and part of the excavation of other sites rather than specifically focused on the road itself. Having faced invasions from the Heruli and the Slavs and more-or-less survived, I believe it is now ready for the tender mercies of the FAC process.
To put my money where my mouth is in the AI thread: before submitting this FAC nomination, I ran the source code through ChatGPT, asking it to find any typos or mistakes. It made a few suggestions, one of which I incorporated in this edit (the grammar tweak, not the Wiklink). A little while previously, I asked Claude if I had missed anything about the 20th-century excavations, and it directed me to this article, information from which I eventually incorporated as this edit. The article contains no LLM-generated text, images or other material. UndercoverClassicistT·C07:56, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
I see the article has abbreviated years such as "from at least 182/1 BCE". MOS:YEARRANGE: "Never use abbreviated years for ranges where the first digits change (1899–1900, not 1899–00) or for years from the first millennium (886–887, not 886–87)", no?
These are not ranges: they're years of the Athenian civil calendar (which is explained in one of the footnotes). The Athenian civil year ran from midsummer to midsummer, so for example 182/1 BCE (July 182 – July 181) is different from 182/181 BCE (between either Jan 182 and Dec 182, or Jan 181 and Dec 181), and different again from 182–181 BCE (Jan 182 to Dec 181). This is the universal convention for this particular usage in WP:HQRS, and "rule zero" of the MoS is to do what good sources do (remembering that the MoS covers widely applicable generalities, not rare exceptions), so I think we should follow it. UndercoverClassicistT·C15:30, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
"traditionally dated to 566/5 BCE" is this date range under the Athenian Calendar? If so, footnote c should be moved there.
File:Panathenaic Way Course.svg – really nice drawing, but the map doesn't actually indicate what the numbered landmarks along the Panathenaic Way are, so it's not really effective for conveying information to the reader.
Yes, this came up at GAN as well. The issue is that there are far too many buildings to fit into a caption, and quite a few aren't relevant to this particular article. Do you think an EFN with them all would help? UndercoverClassicistT·C20:10, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
I see some centuries are written in Arabic numerals (ex: "Athenian coin of the 2nd century CE"), while most of them are written in words – this should be consistent per MOS:CENTURY
I'm not sure if this goes beyond what FAC stipulates (maybe this is part of some obscure image policy), but I think it might be worth mentioning it here: the caption for the multiple image template has "left" and "right", but the documentation for {{multiple image}} says "Avoid 'left' and 'right' if possible, since mobile devices may display the images vertically".
No, it's within scope for FAC, though it's also a trade-off: "left" and "right" may not always be correct, but if the alternative is giving no indication as to which image is which, that might not be an improvement. Here I think it's reasonably obvious, on reflection, which is the photograph and which is the drawing, so I've just removed it, on the grounds that it probably wasn't helping anyone anyway. UndercoverClassicistT·C20:10, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
All images are relevant to the article and placed in appropriate locations. They have alt-texts and captions. Happy WikiBirthday by the way! Phlsph7 (talk) 10:26, 4 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Rosa was a sea otter at Monterey Bay Aquarium (MBA), California, United States. With freckles on her face and soft silver-colored fur, she was found stranded on a beach in Santa Cruz, California and was taken in by MBA. While at MBA, she was able to foster 15 sea otter pups who were stranded like her; she raised more pups than any other otter at MBA. She lived a happy 22 years at the aquarium before being euthenized in 2024. She was the oldest sea otter currently living, being almost 25 years old. I have been working on this article for a while, passing it through multiple reviews, and I believe the article follows the FACR. Also, I know there are a lot of primary sources, but I do believe they are necessary to cover Rosa's life fully. Thanks! Dragonhawk12 (talk) (Guestbook) (Wikicats) 03:11, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Infobox image has alt text, but the description on the file's page and the alt text could both be improved. I would suggest looking at the description of File:Rosa 10 28 2023 MBA keeper.jpg for reference. The alt text should be more descriptive - what does Rosa look like, and what is her pose?
Monterey Bay Aquarium image is appropriately licensed, and the alt text, file description, and caption are fine as is.
With regards to the YouTube video, admittedly I don't know what the standards would be for that, but I don't know whether it would be encyclopedic to include the video. I'll defer to others as to whether to remove or keep it, but just to give you a heads up.
The Happy Birthday Rosa image is fine as is except for the size, which I've decided to make smaller myself. Additionally, I have moved it up so that it is closer to the section in which the contest is discussed and doesn't cause issues with displaying the references section (it forced it into one column, making it look weird).
The source says "Rosa joined the aquarium in September 1999, after being found stranded on the beach as a 4-week-old pup". If she was 4 weeks old in September 26, 1999, that would put her birthday in late August. Is this not good enough? Dragonhawk12 (talk) (Guestbook) (Wikicats) 20:14, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
A mostly forgotten play written by one of England's finest literary minds. The author's intellectual rivals loved it, his closest friend hated it, and he hardly saw a penny from its success. George Bernard Shaw threatened to torture Hilaire Belloc to get it made. Ingmar Bergman was influenced by it. Yet even if you're familiar with Chesterton's work, you may never have heard of this contribution to British theater. ThaesOfereode (talk) 16:38, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
"Shaw even gave several suggestions as to topic and theme, but Chesterton did not adapt any of them." → "Shaw even gave several suggestions for topics and themes, but Chesterton did not adapt any of them."
"Following the premiere, Chesterton arrived at his newspaper's office around 6 pm and left with his brother for a drink before dinner and the two were greeted by an enthusiastic crowd."
How about breaking the sentence after "6 pm" and including a new sentence starting with "He and his brother"?
"Chesterton was notoriously bad with his finances and Shaw sought to protect the success of Chesterton's work from his poor financial management." → "Chesterton was notoriously bad with money, and Shaw sought to protect the success of his work from his poor financial management."
"However, the play struggled due to its double-feature composition, being overshadowed by the popularity of Thornton Wilder's one-act play The Long Christmas Dinner."
Could we rephrase this sentence to make its meaning clearer?
File:Portrait_of_Chesterton_Sitting.jpg: per the UK tag, "please specify in the image description the research you have carried out to find who the author was"
"User attempted to ascertain original photographer by reading the book itself (including front and back matter) and performing a reverse image search to seek information about origins on various image websites. None of these attempts were successful in identifying the original photographer." Does this need to be added to the Commons page too or is this a "per use" kind of thing? ThaesOfereode (talk) 15:49, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
File:G.B._Shaw_Portrait_(cropped).jpg: when and where was this first published? Ditto File:G.K._Chesterton_LCCN2014686602_(cropped).jpg, File:Shaw,_Belloc_e_Chesterton.jpg
Bain News Agency (US) in 1909.
Bain News Agency (US) in 1915.
Unknown original publication but the image was taken in London in 1927. I went to several different image sites to find the original photographer, but I could not ascertain who took the photo. I have added the same tag as File:Portrait_of_Chesterton_Sitting.jpg and use the same rationale. ThaesOfereode (talk) 15:49, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Are you certain the first two of these are publication dates? The source seems to say creation.
On the last, still missing where and when this was first published, and as above the description should include detail on research to attempt to identify author. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:43, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Theo Faiss was a boy who died in a curious set of circumstances when he was seven years old. That would have been that, except Rudolf Steiner then found spiritual significance in the death—leading to another curious set of circumstances with a building that burned down.
This article was previously nominated in July, garnered a support (thanks, SchroCat), stalled, seemed to gain traction with another review, that reviewer was then accused of using AI to generate comments, and the nomination stalled out. Such is life. --Usernameunique (talk) 16:58, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"whose death in Dornach, Switzerland, at the age of seven," remove "at the age of seven" bit? I think it's redundant considering his dates of birth and death are stated
"Arno was born during the return trip" this seems irrelevant to me, considering that the article is supposed to be on Theo Faiss.
It's not the most relevant information in the article, to be sure, but it's interesting. It highlights the stresses of undertaking such a journey back them—no way to jump on a plane and get there in a matter of hours. --Usernameunique (talk) 16:32, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"brother's family in Oldenburg" consider linking Oldenburg (city)?
Done. I had originally not done this because there is both Oldenburg (city) and Oldenburg (district), and the source just says "Oldenburg". But the district (per the article) has several towns and municipalities, so it seems more likely that the source would have named one of those if in fact the family lived there. --Usernameunique (talk) 15:43, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"below the grounds of the Goetheanum" consider linking the Goetheanum. Perhaps also mention here that the Goetheanum was then under construction? I was under the impression that the Goetheanum was completed during that time, so when I read "the artist Käthe Knetsch, who worked on the Goetheanum", I thought it was a grammatical error.
"In June, during the twelfth lecture from his fifteen-lecture series The Mystery of Death, for example, Steiner declared that..." this seems a bit clunky to me. How about "For example, during the twelfth lecture from his fifteen-lecture series The Mystery of Death in June, Steiner declared that..."?
I think the issue was that the sentence was trying to do too much. I've split it in two: In June, for example, Steiner delivered the twelfth of fifteen lectures in the series The Mystery of Death. Steiner declared in the lecture that "since the death of little Theodor Faiss the work has been made possible for me through the mediating forces for inspirations that have been made available by this boy's etheric body which has been enveloping the building".
"The interpretation relies on Steiner's belief that humans form and develop in seven-year cycles: forming an etheric body over the first seven years, an astral body from seven to fourteen, and the remainder of one's terrestrial being from fourteen to twenty-one.[80][81][82][83][84]" is there a reason the article cites five sources for this sentence?
It's two from von Halle explaining her theory (a book, plus a shorter article that's available online), two from Steiner explaining the concept, and an English translation of one of the latter two. I'll bundle the original/translation cites (which I ended up doing in In Memory of Theo Faiss), which will at least bring us down to four here. --Usernameunique (talk) 16:18, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Is there a reason why Maryon created In Memory of Theo Faiss, especially since it was created seven years after Faiss's death?
The seven-year gap is somewhat odd. I would normally expect such a memorial to be created shortly after death, not years later. Also, much as Steiner frequently mentioned Faiss, he seems to have stopped in 1916—five years before the relief. And there is there is no surviving (or at least published) record of the relief other than its mere existence, so the reason for the seven-year gap is speculation. With that said, Maryon created a number of reliefs of people connected with anthroposophy around this time, so it's possible it was a continuation of that effort. I also find von Halle's theory to be interesting. Although she assigns her theory too much certainty (and I find her unconvincing when she says the man at the bottom left of the first version is Steiner), it would explain the seven-year gap between death and creation. --Usernameunique (talk) 16:56, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I also wonder why the second version of the relief is displayed, considering the first version has more discussion in the article. Maybe the second version ties into von Halle's analysis?
Thanks much for the review, Icepinner. Responses above. As you say, it is interesting that so much significance was assigned to his death. It would be easy enough to dismiss it as the comforting trope of "God needed another angel"—essentially what Steiner told the mother on the night it happened. But Steiner continued to invoke him for years, and he continues to be remembered today (if in very niche circles). Part of it likely has to do with the Dornach anthroposophical community being small and close-knit. And what with Faiss and then his father, that must have been an extraordinarily difficult time for the family. --Usernameunique (talk) 21:22, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Is it just me, or is nearly all of this sauced to dependent sources? I know that young Theo draws his notability entirely from the anthroposophy movement but it's a bit much. I must admit that I struggle to read the plaster reliefs so I'll just AGF on the ALT text. Everything else seems fine. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:01, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
This article is about the Inner West Light Rail, Australia's first modern light rail line. Opening in 1997, it makes use of a former goods railway corridor, weaving through Sydney's Inner West and making use of two tunnels and two brick viaducts. I hope to have this article for today's featured article on the Inner West Light Rail's 30th anniversary on 11 August 2027. I await your comments! Steelkamp (talk) 11:24, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I'll do an image review. Given that there are quite a number of them, I might review them in two or three lots. I'll hopefully have a look at the first lot tonight. TarnishedPathtalk06:22, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
File:TfNSW L1.svg - Public Domain
File:A tram (15860847401).jpg - CC BY 2.0
File:Metro Monorail Convention.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
File:Dulwich Hill 24-02-10 (4833721233).jpg - CC BY-SA 2.0
File:Arlington light rail stop 2013-08-07.JPG - CC BY-SA 3.0
File:Taverners Hill Light Rail Parramatta Road.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:Lilyfield light rail maintenance centre 20171028 01.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
All of the images above have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning.
File:John Street Square L1 station, Pyrmont.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:Tunnel entrance at Glebe station.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:Jubilee Park Viaduct (cropped).jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:Lilyfield Maintenance Centre (cropped).jpg - CC BY 4.0
All of the images above have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning. However, the manner of their placement in the article has resulted in three of them falling beside a table for the 'Stops' section. I'm not sure how I feel about that. This may possible display better if the four images were in a gallery, either at the top or the bottom of the 'Route' section. More to come tomorrow. TarnishedPathtalk09:06, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Yeah, I thought there was a potential that you placed them in that manner on purpose. The minor issue I'm seeing is that means that some of the images are separated from the section which they pertain to. It might stand out to me more than others as I'm on a 34" screen. TarnishedPathtalk09:45, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
File:SLR 2114, Capitol Square, 2018 (01).jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:PaddysMarketStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:ExhibitionStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:ConventionStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:Pyrmont Bay Stop, June 2024.jpg - CC0
File:The Star Stop, June 2024 05.jpg - CC0
File:JohnStreetSquareStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:FishMarketStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:Wentworth Park light rail stop, Sydney, 2026, 03.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
All of the images above have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning. I'll finish the rest of the table in the stops section later on tonight. TarnishedPathtalk08:45, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
File:GlebeStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:Jubilee Park 20171129 03.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
File:Rozelle Bay light rail stop 20171028 02.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
File:Lilyfield light rail stop view from bridge March 2017.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
File:Leichhardt North light rail station, Sydney.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
File:HawthorneStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:Marion light rail station, Sydney.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
File:Taverners Hill Stop, June 2024 01.jpg - CC0
File:LewishamWestStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:WaratahMillsStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:Arlington Stop, June 2024 03.jpg - CC0
File:Urbos 2 at Dulwich Grove Stop Inner West Light Rail Extension.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
File:DulwichHillStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
All of the images above have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning. That's all of the images from the 'Stops' section reviewed. I'll review the remainder of the images in the article tomorrow night. I noted that a lot of the images in the stop section were taken by Steelkamp. They've really taken some effort with this. TarnishedPathtalk10:43, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
File:Sydney Light Rail L1 Opal Card.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
File:MLR - panoramio.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
File:CAF Urbos 2 tram, operated by Transdev, at Central Station (2).jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0 au
File:Sydney's light rail - Urbos 3.jpg - CC0
All of the images above have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning.
"Headways reach as low as six minutes during peak periods" - not heard the term "headways" before - is this an Aussie term for "frequency of service"?
Apparently there's a Wikipedia article on the topic. Don't think its an Aussie term. Just means the time between each vehicle. Frequency would be the number of vehicles per hour, so a slightly different but related term.
"TNT proposed a monorail" - write that name out in full with the abbreviation in brackets
Done.
"From Pyrmont, The proposed light rail line" - no reason for capital T there
Fixed.
"The line was intended to support the redevelopment of Pyrmont and Ultimo and serving attractions" => "The line was intended to support the redevelopment of Pyrmont and Ultimo and serve attractions"
Done.
"The light rail corridor at the Arlington light rail stop before (February 2010) and during construction (August 2013)." - this image caption is not a sentence so it should not have a full stop
The IWLR is probably my least-favourite form of transport in Sydney due to its meandering route, but it's good to see the article here. I'd like to offer the following comments:
The 'history' section would benefit from a para on the former tram network, given that this line was the start of rebuilding something similar. For instance, it could be noted (if sources support it!) that the tram network was fairly dense in the parts of Sydney this line passes through.
I've had a go at adding one. What do you think?
" announced that Darling Harbour would be redeveloped" - say where this is
Done with "which is immediately west of Sydney's central business district (CBD)."
Was there any discussion in the 1990s over the merits of building this along the former goods line rather than along streets? Re-using the goods line in this way had obvious advantages, but also downsides given that many of the stops are inconveniently located.
I found not much on this. I found the Glebe Society complaining about a lack of a station underneath Glebe Point Road. And here, the Glebe Society criticises that the route uses the goods line and not the historical tram routes. But I'm not sure we should include the opinion of a local advocacy group when I found nothing about this in the media such as the Sydney Morning Herald.
There's a bit of repetition of terminology in the 'Extension to Lilyfield' section
I assume you are talking about things like "state government", which I have fixed.
Is it possible to add a third photo to the interesting photos of the area near Arlington light rail stop to show what the finished product looks like?
There aren't any images on Commons showing that exact camera position and angle. Closest I found is this, but there is already an image of Arlington station in the station list.
Don't repeat blow out and blown out in the same para.
Fixed.
"Critics questioned the extension's cost and construction schedule" - I'd suggest being more specific about who these people were
Done.
"The first phase of the CBD and South East Light Rail line opened in December 2019, providing an interchange with the Inner West Light Rail at Central station" - the two lines also have stops very close to one another in the CBD, as well as an intersection between the lines on the corner of Hay and George Streets that allows trams to swap from one to the other.
Done.
Do any bus routes specifically connect with the light rail? There are obviously bus stops near lots of the light rail stops.
There are many routes that pass near light rail stops, but the line is not specifically set up with feeder bus services like many stations in Perth, for example, or like the CBD and South East Light Rail, which has a bus interchange at Juniors Kingsford and is designed to take buses off CBD streets.
I'd suggest splitting the second para in the 'Rolling stock' section
Done.
The sentence starting with "Similar cracking had appeared" is rather over-long and complex
i've split that sentence in two.
Were bus services put on to replace the line after it was closed in 2021? At present they are noted only as part of what was done to restart the line in 2022. Nick-D (talk) 04:40, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
To clarify a little more, why do official transport agencies still go by L1 Dulwich Hill line, and is it known how the latter terminology eventually came about? I read the move discussion and if I try to understand, the Inner West Light Rail is the physical line, but L1 Dulwich Hill is the service?--ZKang123 (talk·contribs) 01:46, 5 November 2026 (UTC)reply
A 3-kilometre (2 mi), four-stop extension to Lilyfield opened on 13 August 2000. Either keep "3-kilometre (2 mi)" or "four-stop" (preferably the distance to keep)
I think both are useful information to keep. If your concern is how this flows, I've reworded this a bit while keeping both figures.
Following the closure of the remaining section of the goods line in 2009, planning commenced for an extension to Dulwich Hill. Maybe Following the goods line's closure in 2009, planning began for an extension to Dulwich Hill.?
I think its important to keep the context that it was the remaining section of the line to close because sections closed before.
In 2012, the state government acquired Metro Transport Sydney, the line's private operatorSydney Light Rail Company was mentioned earlier and similarly wikilinked. Might rewrite In 2012, the state government acquired Metro Transport Sydney, which succeeded Sydney Light Rail Company as the line's private operator, and construction of the extension began soon thereafter.
OR for this sentence: In 1994, the Sydney Light Rail Company was awarded a contract to build and operate the line for 30.5 years., mention that the Company was subsequently succeeded by Metro Transport Sydney. E.g. In 1994, the Sydney Light Rail Company, which later became Metro Transport Sydney, was awarded a contract to build and operate the line for 30.5 years. And then just delete the line's private operator
I've gone with "In 2012, the state government acquired the line's operator, by then known as Metro Transport Sydney...".
The nine-stop, 5.5-kilometre (3.4 mi) extension opened on 27 March 2014. Similar comment earlier. Either keep the distance or stops.
As before, I've reworded this a bit while keeping both figures.
The line initially operated with seven Adtranz Variotram vehicles. From 2014, twelve CAF Urbos 3 trams were introduced, which allowed for the withdrawal of the Variotrams from service. Four additional Urbos 3 trams were ordered in 2021. Personal preference, but might shorten it further to: The line initially operated with seven Adtranz Variotram vehicles. These were replaced by twelve CAF Urbos 3 trams, which entered service from 2014. Four additional Urbos 3 trams were ordered in 2021. Also for clarification - when did the four additional urbos enter service? Like you said "ordered in 2021". And are the Alstom Citadis trams still in service?
I've reworded as suggested, and added that they entered service in 2023 as per the rolling stock section. And yes, ever since the works to allow the simultaneous running of Citadis and Urbos trams, both trams have run on the Inner West Light Rail.
History:
The rise of containerised freight and the shift of shipping to Port Botany led to a decline in use of the goods line from the 1970s, leading to the Darling Harbour line's closure in 1984 and the planned closure of the line from Darling Harbour to Rozelle Bay starting in the 1990s. Suggest rewrite to: The growth of containerised freight and the relocation of shipping operations to Port Botany led to a decline in goods line traffic from the 1970s. The Darling Harbour line closed in 1984, while the section between Darling Harbour and Rozelle Bay was earmarked for closure from the 1990s.
Done.
Sydney formerly had an extensive tram network, which reached a peak of 292 kilometres (181 mi) in 1923 Might rewrite the latter clause to: , which spanned 292 kilometres (181 mi) at its peak in 1923
Done.
Tram routes were progressively withdrawn following the peak, with the last trams running in 1961. Personally I find "Tram routes were progressively withdrawn following the peak" rather redundant. Might rewrite: Tram services ceased in 1961, following the gradual withdrawal of routes.
Done.
Thomas Nationwide Transport (TNT) proposed a monorail, while Transfield and Comeng proposed a light rail line. Might substitute "proposed": in the later clause to "advocated"
I don't think advocated is quite the right word, so I've gone with "put forward".
For the subsequent sentence, might rewrite: The latter project [or simply the proposed light rail line) would have crossed Pyrmont Bridge from Pyrmont before branching towards Central station and Circular Quay, via Hickson Road and Sussex Street
TBH i don't think this is an improvement.
It's more because I'm trying to avoid repetition of "light rail project" and starting with a propositional phrase is a bit awkward for me.
The National Trust, public transport advocates, environmental groups, and the minister for planning and environment, Bob Carr, supported the light rail proposal, but the minister for public works, Laurie Brereton, supported the monorail. Might rewrite: The light rail proposal received support from the National Trust, public transport advocates, environmental groups and Bob Carr, the minister for planning and environment, while the minister for public works, Laurie Brereton, favoured the monorail.
Done.
Following the redevelopment of Darling Harbour, the government proposed to redevelop the wider Pyrmont area, a former industrial area to the west of the CBD "redevelopment" seems repetitive. I wonder if Following the redevelopment of Darling Harbour, the government proposed a wider urban renewal programme for Pyrmont, a former industrial area west of the CBD. would be better, although "wider urban renewal programme" might drift from the sources
Done.
In 1992, the state and federal governments reached an agreement under the federal government's Building Better Cities program to redevelop the Ultimo–Pyrmont area. As part of the agreement, the state and federal governments would fund a light rail line from Central station to Pyrmont via Ultimo, using the goods line as a right of way. The line was intended to support the redevelopment of Pyrmont and Ultimo and serve attractions including the Sydney Entertainment Centre, Darling Harbour, the Powerhouse Museum, the Australian National Maritime Museum, the Sydney Fish Market, and the future Star Casino.[ Also a bit repetitive. Might rewrite to:
In 1992, the state and federal governments agreed to redevelop the Ultimo–Pyrmont area under the federal government's Building Better Cities programme. The agreement included funding for a light rail line from Central station to Pyrmont via Ultimo, using the former goods line as its right of way. The line was intended to support the area's redevelopment and provide access to major attractions, including the...
Wikilink expressions of interest, though I might prefer Invitation to tender. However, if the former is the widely accepted and typical Australian term, I don't mind keeping as such.
nine consortia submitted expressions of interest Might rewrite: attracting nine consortia, four of which were shortlisted in November. Year is also redundant.
Done.
A ceremony to mark the start of construction took place on 25 January. Might rewrite to: A groundbreaking ceremony was held on 25 January. Also any further details on the ceremony, like whether the transport minister was present or anything?
Done, and yes, I've added the two ministers who were present.
Premier Bob Carr I suppose "Premier" refers to the NSW Premier, which in this case I would wikilink to the title and state this is Premier of the NSW.
Done.
Full service commenced the following day, which included headways as low as 5 1⁄2 minutes during peak hour and a service span of 6 am to midnight Might rewrite: Full service began the following day, with peak-hour headways of up to 5½ minutes and operating hours from 6 am to midnight.
Done, except I think its correct to say headways were as low as 5½ minutes instead of up to.
I personally thought "up to" means to the best quantity, but this is ok I guess.
which led to the integration of the monorail's ticketing, maintenance, marketing and management with that of the light rail Rewrite: which resulted in the integration of the monorail's ticketing, maintenance, marketing and management with the light rail system.
Done.
At this point the light rail line doesn't have a formal name?
It was Sydney's only light rail line at the time, and there were various names used by sources at the time, such as Sydney light rail or Metro Light Rail or Pyrmont Light Rail or simply the light rail.
Will continue reviewing the history section. Personally, I'm a bit concerned with the prose quality, which tends to have some repetition of certain terms. Ofc in some cases it might be due to ENGVAR, but some bits tend to be a little unencyclopedic, like "reached a peak of 292 kilometres (181 mi)".--ZKang123 (talk·contribs) 09:34, 4 November 2026 (UTC)reply
History (continued):
I actually think given the "Extension to Lilyfield" subsection could be merged into the previous section given it's just one paragraph. Or if you prefer, you can merge both "Extension to Lilyfield" and "Extension to Dulwich Hill" under "Extensions"
An August 1995 feasibility study found that extending the line from Wentworth Park to Marion was viable. Might rewrite: An August 1995 feasibility study confirmed/determined the viability of extending the line from Wentworth Park to Marion.
In May 1997, State Cabinet Should it be "the State Cabinet"? (and wikilink the incumbent State Cabinet at the time?)
An environmental impact statement Wonder if there's any details from the environmental impact, like are there any realignments? And who did the environmental impact?
the government approved the 3-kilometre (2 mi), $20 million extension to Lilyfield, contributing $16 million, with the SLRC financing the remaining $4 million. Would split into: the government approved the 3-kilometre (2 mi) extension to Lilyfield and would contribute $16 million (to the project). The SLRC would finance the remaining $4 million. I think the budget math is obvious
A decision on the proposed CBD extension was deferred because businesses in the CBD were opposed to the disruption that construction would bring Might rewrite: A decision on the proposed CBD extension was deferred amid businesses' opposition to potential construction(-related) disruption.
The extension opened on time on 13 August 2000 Like, there was an expected date of completion? Might state the proposed timeline earlier.
The 1995 feasibility study for the extension to Lilyfield said that a future extension to Dulwich Hill station was possible, Okay, this is already repeating the earlier information. In fact, if you merge these two subsections, I would simply mention both proposals at the start of the subsections. (e.g. "Other extensions proposed included one to Dulwich Hill station, or a station on the Main Suburban railway line.")
Following Kristina Keneally becoming the premier of New South Wales in late 2009, she cancelled plans to build a Sydney Metro in February 2010. Extensions of the Inner West line at both ends, to Dulwich Hill station and through the CBD to Circular Quay, were announced as some of the projects that would be built instead of the metro Might rewrite: After Kristina Keneally became premier of New South Wales in late 2009, she cancelled the proposed Sydney Metro in February 2010. Instead, she (or the NSW government) announced extensions of the Inner West line to Dulwich Hill station and through the CBD to Circular Quay.
but the cost of both the extension and the GreenWay – but the costs of the extension and the GreenWay Also, would split this clause from the former.
had blown out I must guess this is an Australian term but it doesn't read as encyclopedic to me.
Also, is the complexity of the GreenWay construction also related to why the construction costs increased?
The GreenWay had gone from costing $30 million to $37 million in 2011, and the light rail extension had gone from $120 million to $176 million. Rewrite to: By 2011, the GreenWay's estimated cost had risen from $30 million to $37 million, and that of the light rail extension from $120 million to $176 million.
In September 2011, Transport Minister Gladys Berejiklian cancelled the GreenWay to make up the budget shortfall, and postponed the completion of the extension by eighteen months to early 2014 Would rewrite: ...cancelled the GreenWay to address the budget shortfall and postponed the extension's completion by 18 months to early 2014. Also, is Gladys the NSW transport minister or the federal level? And I think the title should be decapitalised to keep it consistent or capitalise all per WP:JOBTITLES (as I see later for: "was opened on 27 March 2014 by Premier Barry O'Farrell and Transport Minister Berejiklian")
In March 2012, the state government acquired MTS for $19.8 million, which the government said would make extending the light rail line easier. Might rewrite: ...for $19.8 million, a move it said would facilitate the light rail extension. Also, is it stated exactly how? I guess being under direct government control might help.
In May 2012, the design and construction contract for the 5.5-kilometre (3.4 mi) extension was awarded to John Holland I thought construction for the extension had already started? Also, later the passage mentioned concerns of the contract cost. How much is this contract?
I might reread the history section after reviewing the rest of the article when the changes are done/addressed.
Description:
There are also the Glebe and Wentworth Park viaducts, which are brick arch viaducts that are 446.5 metres (1,465 ft) and 274 metres (899 ft) long respectively. They are the two longest brick viaducts in New South Wales. Might rewrite: The line also crosses the Glebe and Wentworth Park viaducts—two brick arch viaducts spanning 446.5 metres (1,465 ft) and 274 metres (899 ft) respectively. They are the longest brick viaducts in New South Wales.
Seeing that I also have an FAC involving a former British colony, I figured I should review
All numbers over ten should be the number, as in “twenty-three stops”
MOS:SPELLNUM says that "Integers greater than nine expressible in one or two words may be expressed either in numerals or in words", so I think twenty-three is fine.
You should abbreviate units after their first usage, such as “kilometres”
I don't think that's strictly necessary. MOS:UNITNAMES implies this is up to discretion.
”Following the closure of the remaining section of the goods line” - the Goods Line was previously capitalized, and probably should be here for consistency. I see in the “history” section though that a “goods line” might just be a common term though?
As part of the full name "Rozelle–Darling Harbour Goods Line", it should be capitalised (sources seem to capitalise the whole name), but as just the descriptor "goods line", it should be lowercase.
”Due to cracking in the Urbos 3 bogies” - are bogies another term for “tram”? It seems like “tram” is used more often in the article
So a bogie is the rotating part the wheels attach to. I've added a link to the term.
”The line served a number of flour mills” - since the number isn’t known, maybe remove “a number of”?
I think "served a number of flour mills" sounds better than "served flour mills", and the exact number isn't important to the light rail line. Alternatively I could replace it with "served several flour mills", but I feel like that's just an equivalent way to phrase it.
”The capital cost of the line was $87.5 million” - somewhere in the article should clarify that all costs are in Australian dollars, unadjusted for inflation (presumably)
Done, and added note for unadjusted for inflation.
”Each of the 23 stops is fully accessible, with level boarding, ramps, and a lift at some stops.” - maybe specify which stops don’t have a lift (presuming this an elevator)? I’m guessing all of them otherwise have level boarding and ramps? My disconnect is that it starts with “each is fully accessible… with a lift at some stops.”
All stops have level boarding and full disabled access. Some have ramps to access the platforms and some have lifts. I've reworded the sentence a bit to make things a bit clearer. I'm reluctant to list each stop that has lifts as the sources don't specify which ones in particular do. Each stop does have its own stop guide which shows which stop has a lift, but there's no overarching source listing each stop with a lift and I think its fine to leave at just some stops have lifts and some don't.
”All twelve Urbos 3 trams were planned to be operational by late November 2022.” - it’s four years later - were they?
Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a source that says all became operational by late November 2022. Not even the Light Rail Safety Investigation Report says so, and I have also searched for questions answered in the NSW Parliament and found nothing. So unfortunately it's open ended.
Are there any further plans for extensions?
Don't think so. Proposals for light rail extensions in Sydney now involve new lines running out of Central or Circular Quay, such as the Parramatta Road to Green Square proposal, which intersects with the L1 but is an entirely new line and would be better suited to be covered at Light rail in Sydney.
This article is about a tiny dinosaur which nevertheless became a "celebrity" last year by appearing in the film Jurassic World: Rebirth. The scientific description of this dinosaur is the best documented one I know of, the process being covered in various blogs by the authors themselves, and luckily in freely licensed outlets whose imagery can be used here, including turnable 3D models. FunkMonk (talk) 18:53, 26 October 2026 (UTC)reply
FunkMonk It's great to have you back at FAC. I am currently occupied with Chris's FAC and other work on and off-wiki, but I've made a few revisions. Could we include the relevant language template in the mainspace?
Thanks, I'm not sure what you mean with language template? Feel free to add it, I don't think I have a strong opinion about it either way. FunkMonk (talk) 16:59, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
This article is about a viral fan theory about a secret television episode that flooded social media masses, sparked some dialogue around fandom mentality and is at times called a conspiracy theory. I'm nominating this because I want it to go on TFA before January 7, 2027, the theory's one-year anniversary. Looking forward to concrit and improvements! In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing|talk w/ me!11:09, 24 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I already said quite a bit during the peer review, mostly pointing out weaker sources (which have since been fixed) and small formatting fixes. I'll be doing a source review in the next week (hopefully by Halloween) since Brynn's a first-time nominator. travismulch02:37, 25 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Brynn Who Likes Editing Before we get into the source-to-text accuracy, let's see where we're at with the source quality. Cite Unseen reports 44 "generally reliable" sources, 3 "no consensus" sources, and 11 unknown links. Let's go over what's not "generally reliable":
Seven articles from Parade are used. Parade used to be an institution, but I'm not entirely sure if that crossed over into the web space. Some people online report the website tends to speculative. How does it check out here? Well, roughly two dozen famous FA BLPs have it cited as a source. Good.
TV Insider is TV Guide-adjacent, which is already reliable. Good.
The University of Kent is reputable, but at the end of the day, this is basically a student newspaper. No precedent for use, only comparable example is Liz Truss, which features a subject-matter expert interview. Remove.
Hola isn't actually gone, make sure you figure out the source-to-text for that instance that's left. Proper review will follow tomorrow. travismulch05:21, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Let's circle back to the Polymarket text we deleted real quick: I did a second pass through sources to see if any of them met the high-quality, reliable sources criteria, and none of them did. The coverage exists there, but it's entirely between no consensus and generally unreliable. I'd say you should continue to keep it off the article. Now, let's get started. travismulch18:20, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
released its fifth and final season throughout November and December 2025, culminating with "Chapter Eight: The Rightside Up", the finale, on December 31.
Eleven, the show's protagonist, seemingly dies with the destruction of the Upside Down after defeating Vecna, the antagonist. However, Mike Wheeler (her boyfriend) theorizes that she may still be alive and in hiding, leaving her fate ambiguous.
After the release of the season's second volume on December 25, concerns over the quality of and possible narrative gaps in the episodes led fans to theorize that hours of content had been cut, in a movement named Cutgate. One such fan created a Change.org petition calling for the release of "unseen footage", and it raised over 400,000 signatures.
Quite a few things wrong here. December 25 is not established as the release date. Narrative gaps are not described. Where does "hours of content" come from? Cutgate isn't referred to by name. The Change.org petition isn't identified as fan-made. Article reports nearly 400,000 signatures.
On Google Docs, a broadly circulated document listed scenes that only made sense if content was cut. Some of the allegations were based on false rumored runtimes for episodes in the second volume; a substantial amount of them were based on the coming-out scene of Will Byers, and the fandom ship named Byler between him and Wheeler.
Randy Havens, the actor who portrayed Mr. Clarke, debunked Cutgate on Instagram, saying, "There's no secret Snyder Cut of the show. Please don't believe everything some random ass tells you on the Internet."
In an interview with the twin showrunners, Matt Duffer denied Netflix's accused interference with the story, saying, "We would be here for hours trying to bat down the stuff that was not true."
Make sure you specify the interview was with Variety, since IGN republished this. Also, why is IGN Southeast Asia cited when this is from the main IGN website?
Eventually, Cutgate served as a foundation for Conformity Gate.
who formed it in an audio livestream with three other theorists on the site, deriving the term from the ‑gate suffix. These fans created theories baring ‑gate following the second volume's release, since the Stranger Things fandom appropriated the suffix (originally regarding the Watergate scandal) as fandom slang.
The Conformity in the name came from characters in the show conforming to societal standards, despite its usual subversion. After the release of the finale, the theory cut into the mainstream via social media, specifically X, Reddit, and TikTok.
The surge of Netflix users on January 7, checking if the theorized episode had premiered, caused a technical outage from the service. Slightly before 8 p.m. that day, over 1,200 reports were submitted to the website tracker Downdetector. Ultimately, no such episode materialized.
The article doesn't prove the outage was because of the surge, make it ambiguous.
Netflix and the Duffers did not directly address the theory, though the former updated the biography line of its Stranger Things social media accounts to state, in all caps, that "All episodes of Stranger Things are now playing".
Linnea Berthelsen, who played Kali Prasad, said that she only saw the theory in passing due to not being online often, and clarified that any undisclosed plans would only be known to the Duffers and Millie Bobby Brown, who portrays Eleven.
I think the part about "any undisclosed plans" is a bit of a reach given what she says. She says it's a question for them.
Some proponents moved the predicted date to January 12, 2026, the day when the behind-the-scenes, One Last Adventure: The Making of Stranger Things 5, would be released, yet nothing else appeared then.
Martina Radwan, the documentarian behind One Last Adventure, told BBC Newsweek that she thought the theory was bizarre, asking, "Why would [the Duffer Brothers] withhold that?"
Former proponents of Conformity Gate, disillusioned by this later release, aired many grievances on social media. Parade's Liz Declan wrote that while the production faced a "new wave" of backlash, "it also likely means the end of this long-running string of theories, which began with Cutgate and (presumably) has ended with Conformity Gate."
Among these grievances were a new theory dubbed Divorce Gate, which speculated that Leigh Janiak, Ross Duffer's ex-wife, had written parts of the first four seasons without receiving credit.
On December 25, 2025, Netflix released a teaser clip with the caption "Your Future is on its way. #WhatNext Jan 7, 2026". Fans interpreted it as a hint for a ninth episode's release, yet it was simply the presentation of its 2026 slate. Orthodox Christmas was observed on that date, a pattern seen after the fifth season's tendency to drop episodes on major holidays, and fans associated it with the "dark Christmas" teased by the Duffer Brothers.
The number seven holds significance from Will Byers's die roll landing on the same number in the show's first episode to foreshadow capture by a Demogorgon, which is mirrored in the finale's end credits.
Concurrently, fans have used numerology to contextualize various tidbits involving the number—such as the number of seconds between thunder strikes in the Upside Down.
Vecna would have broken the fourth wall by manipulating what viewers saw, before a reveal that would have effectively undone existing plot points like his death.
Fans also suggested that Vecna conjured this illusion immediately after a climactic altercation with Will in "Chapter Four: Sorcerer", starting to control the former as a "traitor-spy" that was once teased by the franchise's marketing.
across the episodes, including a series of cassette tapes that seemingly spelt "U did not stop me" in Morse code, and Dungeons & Dragons books reading ".mw-parser-output .vanchor>:target~.vanchor-text{background-color:#ebf4ff}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .vanchor>:target~.vanchor-text{background-color:#0f4dc9}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .vanchor>:target~.vanchor-text{background-color:#0f4dc9}}X A LIE" vertically—which was debunked as the shot in the finale actually spelt "XAILE". Will mentions drinking milkshakes at Melvald's, an in-universe town store that was a diner when Vecna was a child. Robin Buckley's girlfriend, Vickie, is absent from the epilogue, possibly because Vecna did not know her well enough to place her in an illusion. However, it is likely that they simply broke up.
The robes for the main cast's graduation are orange, the color supposedly alluding to prison jumpsuits, while they are meant to be an "ugly green" and yellow consistent with the canon novel One Way or Another, which stars Nancy Wheeler. At the ceremony, several extras ostensibly resemble Vecna's style and mannerisms, one raising a blank yellow sign. Another wears a shirt reading "Duffers" in reference to the Duffer Brothers, alleging that they are watching the audience.
Several cast and crew members of Stranger Things shared their opinions on Conformity Gate since the finale's release. In one such instance, Matthew Modine, who portrayed Martin Brenner (a.k.a. "Papa"), expressed his dislike for the episode on Instagram, and replied "Hoping so for the fans" to a comment about the theory.
The theory was referenced in Finn Wolfhard's hosting debut on Saturday Night Live, which featured surprise appearances of his fellow series co-stars Caleb McLaughlin and Gaten Matarazzo and showcased a series of imagined Stranger Things spinoffs. All three also respectively reprised their roles as Mike Wheeler, Lucas Sinclair, and Dustin Henderson. In a final skit set in Iceland (more specifically where Eleven is believed to be alive), Kenan Thompson assumes her role, and Mike resounds the theory's sentiment.
When asked about it in a later interview with The Hollywood Reporter while promoting his starring role in Goat (2026), McLaughlin said, "I think people missed the concept of what the show is when they were like, 'Oh, there's going to be more'", explaining the show's themes of imagination and storytelling.
When the outlet interviewed Matarazzo for starring in Pizza Movie (2026), he recalled walking in New York City when a fan stopped him to ask 'Is it coming out tonight?' and explained that she cancelled her date in favor of the theory. He urged her to return to it, and felt bad over having to deny the release.
On an AP News clip for his next starring role in Cold Storage (2026), Joe Keery (Steve Harrington) joked, "It'll be interesting to see when it finally comes out. Don't quote me on that." While his co-star Georgina Campbell sympathized with fans as they were emotionally attached to and grew up with Stranger Things, Keery said seriously, "Let it go."
In May, during an Emmys For Your Consideration event in Los Angeles, one of the series executive producers, Shawn Levy, joined a few of the show's cast members to discuss the finale. He praised the ending and stated, "That was baffling and thank God by that point I had learned not to even try engaging with people online," adding that he "felt bad for the world, because they really believed; as much as I believe that Eleven is still alive somewhere by those waterfalls." Noah Schnapp (Will Byers) spoke about fans sending him spam texts to ask if a secret finale would air. Jamie Campbell Bower (Vecna) said "that was fucking crazy" in reference to fan response of a video on The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, elaborating: "They were like, 'He's saying something about time and he's stopping on nine!' And I was like, 'No, no, no, we've just come up with this idea in the back of a car to the airport!'"
Millie Bobby Brown and Jimmy Fallon agreed that the theory was unneeded since the finale was high-quality; the former explained a pact she made with the Duffer Brothers to shroud Eleven's true fate.
In July, during an event on the sidelines of the 2026 San Diego Comic-Con, Bower was interviewed about Conformity Gate by Entertainment Weekly; he stated, "Anything that we did was like, 'Well, that just proves it,'" and also said that fans would still continue to ask him about the theory. "I'm like, 'It's been six months!' If there is, they're kind of behind," he concluded.
The first of many popular Facebook accounts latching on Conformity Gate, an image from Netflix Updates promoted it and attracted over 10,000 comments, notably humorous perspectives from the theory's nonbelievers. One wrote, "Vecna's wife wakes up and finds him in the shower and realizes it was all a dream", referencing Bobby Ewing's outcome in the 1980s series Dallas.
Daniel Radcliffe, who played Harry Potter in the Harry Potter film series, praised the finale and said he "feels tired" on behalf of the Duffers debunking rumors, while also joking about a covert Harry Potter sequel.
Sophie Clarke, a writer for The Irish News, perceives that the phenomenon created a sense of authority, viewing that the lack of official response from Netflix "rather than cooling speculation, only seemed to legitimise it." Based on how people would carry a herd mentality, she likened it to the reality game show franchise The Traitors.
Bethy Squires wrote for Vulture that it is "eerily similar" to the The Johnlock Conspiracy, a similar theory in which fans of the series Sherlock believed that an additional episode of its fourth series would be released, and hoped that "all this finale disappointment will result in a fix fic [sic] boom."
This is explaining more about Johnlock than the article provides. Also, Squires said the hope for a fix-fic boom, not the fans, which the phrasing implies.
Erica Russell from Teen Vogue said that Conformity Gate is either a "shared psychosis" or a marketing psy-op. She called the possibility "meta", remarking on the existence of "perhaps even a broader vol. 3".
The belief about a ""broader vol. 3"" is not Russell's own.
The Guardian's Benje Goodhart derided Conformity Gate after saying his daughter "fell into" the theory, and said it stemmed from the show's aim for open-endedness and its "degree of sloppiness". Finally, he imagined the possibility of a release on "6/7 January" as a blend of "irritating Gen Z crazes".
@Brynn Who Likes Editing, so far, there are some mistakes in Background (which I assume have to do with past unreliable sources being removed) that need to be addressed, particularly with USA Today (c. 11) and The Irish News (c. 17). Ping/reply when you've added fixes, source review will continue. travismulch21:00, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
I've completed the text's source review. Note that it's mostly minor fixes that are needed across the board, but some citations have questionable mistakes. Try to address everything mentioned while making the necessary fixes. travismulch00:58, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
"I don't think anyone other than Matthew Modine is properly established here?" What do you mean by that?
"I think extending this to a criticism of the fifth season is a reach." Okay. Roeloffs writes "“So now that we all know that the ending was just horrible and lazy writing,” one fan wrote on X, with another adding “conformitygate is such a brutal theory because it’s just pointing out every plot hole and inconsistency in the show itself.”" which I think counts as criticism. Nevertheless, I added another source to back the claim up.
Is ComicBook.com the best citation you can find for fifth season criticisms? Also, the formatting's just a bit confusing because I know you're framing the cast & crew responses as a blanket statement, but it'd be ideal if you cited specific sources (that you do later down) to emphasize that it was, in fact, several cast and crew members. Otherwise it's, just, well, "who is it?" until you actually get to their names. Let me go through the source review list. travismulch21:40, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
"Señorita" is the fourth single released from Justin Timberlake's debut solo studio album, Justified. It's a Stevie Wonder-influenced R&B, pop, and jazz up-tempo ballad that features Timberlake singing about a woman whose attention he is trying to capture. I've spent the past few days working on this article, including turning all the refs into footnotes, and finally finished it. I really hope I can make this my first FA (fr this time)! RedShellMomentumtalk that talk to me02:04, 23 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Yeah, but those article sections don't seem to be as mechanical and disengaging. They're broken up into sentences with a flow; yours is just one sentence-list per paragraph. Maybe do it as a table? Again, I'm new to FAC, so you should probably wait until someone else agrees with me before doing that. In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing|talk w/ me!06:09, 25 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Speaking of critical commentary, I noticed there's none for the music video itself. Did critics liked or disliked it? If none can be found, I suggest searching for "Best/worst video lists by Justin Timberlake" that might have a reception on the video.
There was a review from a student newspaper, but I removed it. Added two rankings.
The Commercial performance could also include critical commentary such as what I did with my FA El Alma al Aire. Even a mention of the song's success from an article by Billboard would suffice. Of course, if you can't find any, there's completely understandable.
With a song like "Señorita", there really wouldn't be any mention of its success.
"'Señorita'" received mostly positive reviews from music critics". This statement itself needs to be sourced. I would suggest removing it if you cannot find it.
Good job! I would just add "The song has been described as a "Spanish number" with a "Latin-flavored" cut beat" by reviewer(s)/music journalist(s), or something like that. That's what I was referring to on my question about who called it a "Latin flavored". Erick (talk) 22:10, 25 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Non-free sound file with a valid fair use rational. It's short enough, but I'm not sure that the quality is low enough: it's 95 kbps, but WP:SAMPLE recommends "roughly 64kbit/s)". Also: the justification is possibly too bare-bones. For example, the field "Purpose of use in article" currently says "Timberlake's smooth delivery under Neptunes production." Maybe expand it a little to explain that the purpose is to illustrate certain features of the song. Many of the other points have similar problems. Some of these points have standard responses, so you could check sound samples from other recently passed FA articles to see how they respond.
CC BY 2.0, from Flickr; the URL is not working anymore, but it was confirmed by a reviewer
All media files are relevant to the article and placed in appropriate locations. They have alt-texts and captions/descriptions. Phlsph7 (talk) 10:19, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The 2002 recording time from infobox isn't supported within article prose; we can't just pull these details out of nowhere, also the August 2002 preview bit discussed under "Background and composition" isn't enough to establish this when it seems to be about parent album Justified and either way doesn't indicate when material was previously recorded
Removed.
"set lists" is a common term that doesn't need linking per WP:OVERLINK
Removed.
"received mostly positive reviews from music critics" violates WP:SYNTH when there's no citation talking about overall positive or mixed or negative reviews, and it's overly presumptuous to jump to conclusions based solely on reviews already listed in Wikipedia articles when that might neglect to factor in other stances not listed
If I remember correctly you can put stuff like that in the lead but not in the body. Idk I could be wrong.
No, the lead actually doesn't get some special treatment. When you wouldn't use such unsupported assessments for album pages (which thankfully do tend to have something that discusses overall reception), it's lazy at best to treat song articles as if they somehow are exempt from verifiability requirements. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 19:03, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Sunday Republican should read The Republican
Done.
It gets monotonous to see "*critic name* of _____" format used so much when talking about composition and reviews, so try switching some instances of this up with "from" or "_____ writer" or maybe "*publication name*'s _____"
Reworked that.
Under the "Music video" section, you misused the word "but" within "Timberlake was asked about the concept of the video, but said" as it falsely suggests his comments went against something. I recommend revising to "when asked about the concept of the video, Timberlake said"
Done.
You should add a citation for "In the "Señorita" video, Timberlake performed with his live band."
Looking better, and something I forgot to mention before is that it's overly repetitive to have the audio clip and each image all aligned towards the right of the page. Inserting some left-side alignments will help break up the monotony. File:Justin Timberlake - Señorita 2007.jpg isn't ideal to use for performances when you can barely see Justin's face in it. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 19:03, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"The Giant Spider Invasion was originally conceived by Richard Huff, who with actor Robert Easton, a friend of Rebane, was tasked with writing the script." -> "The Giant Spider Invasion was originally conceived by Richard Huff. Huff and Robert Easton, an actor and friend of Bill Rebane, were tasked with writing the script." to make the sentence flow more clearly
"By the time filming began, due to creative differences, no script was available and only pages of dialogue had been written." -> "No script was available by the time film began due to creative differences and only pages of dialogue had been written."
"Rebane's wife Barbara worked as the script girl." -> I think this would work better in the first paragraph of the section since it is related to the script
"In an interview with Fangoria in 1996, Bill Rebane said the movie grossed $15 million.[3] Turner Classic Movies said the movie made a $22 million return.[5]" -> Turn this into one sentence "Rebane said in an interview with Fangoria in 1996 that the movie grossed $15 million[3] while Turner Classic Movies said the movie made a $22 million return.[5]"
This article is about Mike Enzi, the third-longest serving U.S. Senator from Wyoming. The son of a shoemaker, he entered politics after being convinced to run for mayor of Gillette, Wyoming in 1974. He defeated the incumbent mayor and was reelected, but left office after declining to run for reelection in 1982. He was elected to the Wyoming House of Representatives and was later appointed to the Wyoming Senate. In 1996, he was elected to his first of four terms in the U.S. Senate. During his tenure in the U.S. Senate he served as chair or ranking member of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, and Budget committees. He ended his political career when he left the U.S. Senate in January 2021, but died in a biking accident months later. Jon698 (talk) 05:12, 22 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Just commenting on the para on his military service:
"The Selective Service (American conscription system) reported that Enzi was in good health in 1963, and in 1966" - presumably he was assessed as such by the conscription authorities?
Could you clarify what specific edit you are requesting
"Enzi applied to the Officer Candidate School (OCS) as a civilian" - what officer candidate school is being referred to here? The news stories indicate that he tried to join the Navy as an officer candidate. I don't think that people can apply directly to the officer candidate schools. "As a civilian" is also surplus.
The Office Candidate School being referred to here is the Officer Candidate School for the U.S. Navy. Would you like me to preface it with United States Navy? The "As a civilian" line was requested by User:RoySmith in the previous FAC. You can apply as a civilian per this and this.
"In 1996, Enzi stated that he tried to enlist to serve in the Vietnam War" - I can't see where this is referenced in either of the two sources cited
The article says that he wanted to enlist as active duty. I guess I must have rendered that as wanting to serve in the Vietnam War since there were about half a million soldiers there at that point. I have changed the wording to better reflect the article in this edit
"Wyoming Veterans of Foreign Wars Commander Bill Saunders and others" - the only other person quoted in the sources is one of Enzi's political opponents. This should be specified given they were obviously neither disinterested or an expert on the matter.
My understanding is that Enzi was likely completely correct here, as most militaries have higher physical standards for officer candidates than they do for enlisted personnel (as they make a substantial investment in training officers and want them to serve for a lengthy period, and officers also have physically and mentally demanding jobs and are required to set standards for enlisted personnel). The health checks for potential conscripts tend to be somewhat unreliable as well, as they are often based on fairly cursory assessments. The he-says/she-says type construction of this material makes this difficult for readers to understand, but may be unavoidable here.
An unstated issue in the article at present is that this para is actually about whether Enzi avoided serving in Vietnam and/or conscription into the Army by joining the National Guard (as many men did). Can this be made clear? Nick-D (talk) 22:54, 24 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The issue for Enzi was more so stolen valor rather than draft dodging per paragraph three of this article. Do you want me to make any text edits to include that?
Trading for Toby Fox since Jon offered to review there. The article previously received a general "source (quality) review" during the first FAC nomination, so consider this more of a two-in-one spot check & source review. Newspaper & congressional articles are heavily used, and this'll be Jon's second FA, so let's call it an even 20%. Expect the completed review by Sunday
This table lists 37 random passages from throughout the article (20.2% of 183 total passages).
These passages contain 45 inline citations (18.7% of 241 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. travismulch17:44, 26 October 2026 (UTC)reply
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Enzi was elected as a city councilor in the American Legion Boys State youth program, a leadership and citizenship programs for high school juniors, in 1961,
one of those candidates was John Barrasso, who would later be appointed to the U.S. Senate in 2007. Enzi garnered support due to his opposition to abortion, while Barrasso, who had been expected to win the primary, supported abortion rights at the time.
Liz Cheney, the daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney, initially opposed Enzi in the Republican primary during the 2014 election, but polling showed that Enzi would defeat her. Cheney dropped out of the race, citing family health concerns.
On November 5, the Committee voted against allowing Enzi to bring his laptop onto the floor. Rick Santorum was the only member to support the proposal.
The Central Wyoming Council and the Boy Scouts of America nominated Enzi for the Distinguished Eagle Scout Award, which was given to him in 1999; Enzi was the first Wyomingite to receive the award.
National Journal rates members of Congress on how liberal or conservative they are in the categories of economic, social, and foreign policy; it gave Enzi a composite conservative score of 90.2 in 2011, 87.8 in 2012, and 95.8 in 2013.
Jim Jeffords was replaced on the Finance Committee by Craig L. Thomas after Jeffords left the Republicans to become an independent. Thomas, who was on the Foreign Relations Committee, was replaced by Enzi.
In 1997, Enzi introduced an amendment to legislation for the United States Department of the Interior's spending that would prohibit approving new Native American casinos without state approval; the Arapaho and Shoshone tribes criticized Enzi for proposing this without consulting them.
Enzi was among 24 U.S. Senators who wrote a letter to Clinton in 1999, asking him to implement tariffs to protect lamb production in the United States.
Enzi supported legislation to end the blockade on food and medicine sales and donations to Cuba in 1998, and later asked Bush to lift restrictions on selling American food and medicine to Cuba.
In 2009, he and Senator Byron Dorgan introduced the Freedom to Travel to Cuba Act with other Democratic and Republican senators to allow Americans to travel to Cuba and supported other legislation to allow Americans to travel to Cuba.
Enzi hopeful trade of products, ideas will move Cuba forward 2014.
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In 2003, he stated that he still believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction despite no weapons of mass destruction being discovered following the invasion of Iraq.
Enzi was the only senator to vote against the Burmese Freedom and Democracy Act in 2016. The legislation eliminated American imports from Myanmar, placed restrictions on the visas of Myanmar's leaders, and required American opposition to international financial institutions giving loans to Myanmar.
Doesn't mean the discussion should've stopped there. Talk pages... I'd like to see what Jo-Jo has to say so it doesn't continue to be an issue. travismulch19:48, 26 October 2026 (UTC)reply
To be honest, I still think the structure of the political positions section is an issue for the same reasons as I said in the previous FAC. I am just not certain if bringing up this problem - which is quite a bit more widespread than your article - in a FAC is really the right venue. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:23, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Well, I'll leave that to be discussed separately, and I'll conduct this source review. This can be further discussed by other editors, I'm just here to review source-to-text accuracy. travismulch18:53, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
After getting a successful FA earlier this year, I'm going to try with a new, this time with Mi Reflejo by Christina Aguilera. This part of my project on working on Latin pop/tropical records that either reached #1 on the Billboard Latin pop/tropical charts or won a Grammy/Latin Grammy in their respective fields. Following Aguilera's successful debut album, she decided to follow-up with a Latin pop album all in Spanish in recognition of her Latina heritage. Looking forward to addressing to any feedback brought up! Erick (talk) 00:16, 20 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Dylan620 Thanks in advance! I'll be sure to review your article as well and address any issues brought up next week as I have work for then next four days and won't be active. Erick (talk) 21:59, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
No problem Erick! I have a few initial comments for through the end of §Critical_reception:
becoming one of the longest albums to chart at number one – Grammatically, this indicates that the runtime of the album itself was exceptional, whereas you clearly mean this about the length of the album's tenure at the top of the chart.
Recording for Mi Reflejo began in April 2000 and production concluded three months later. – This sentence seems a little bit off to me. Aren't recording and production generally distinct from one another? The way this sentence is phrased almost seems to consider them one and the same.
Originally titled Latin Lover Girl,[17] the album's title Mi Reflejo, was announced on August 8, 2000. – I would move the bit about the original title to the end of the paragraph, as the current phrasing of this sentence indicates that the title itself had a title. Maybe rephrase as The album and its title, Mi Reflejo, were announced...?
Gibrann on his album Escapate Conmigo (1990), – Because a colon is used to set this up, I recommend separating the two entries with a semicolon instead of a comma.
informing her love interest to treat her right. – Wouldn't this be an instruction instead of a notification?
On the ballad,[27] "El Beso del Final",[27] → On the ballad "El Beso del Final",[27] (flows more smoothly IMO)
An editor for Billboard wrote that Aguilera has yielded a mostly mainstream pop album – I feel like 'had' would work better for an album which was released 26 years ago.
Parry Gettelman from Orlando Sentinel stated Mi Reflejo lacks emotional depth, and [Aguilera's] decision to record in Spanish seems more a bid to conquer new chart territory than anything else" – I think a quotation mark is missing here.
@Dylan620 Thanks Dylan! I hope I got everything, and am open for further suggestion. The only thing that confused me was the semicolon placement, hopefully I placed it on the right spot. Erick (talk) 23:17, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
No problem Erick! I've finished looking at the article, and I've got the following comments for you and/or Maxwell Smart123321 to address when able to do so:
I am generally satisfied with how my first comments were addressed, but I have one follow-up: Mi Reflejo peaked at number-one on the Billboard Top Latin Albums and Latin Pop Albums charts, on both of which it spent 19 weeks, becoming one of the longest-running number one album on the chart. → Mi Reflejo topped the Billboard Top Latin Albums and Latin Pop Albums charts for 19 weeks each, becoming one of the longest-running number one albums on both charts.
Feel free to rebuke with justification, but the current structure of the article harms the flow IMO, and I think some sections in the middle should be rearranged. Because §Legacy_and_achievements details commercial as well as critical achievements, I think it should be placed after §Commercial_performance. At the same time, §Release_and_promotion details the commercial performance of the album's singles, so I think it would make the most sense to have that section directly precede §Commercial_performance. Lastly, going directly from information about an album's critical reception, which is part of the aftermath of an album's release, directly into information about the release of the album itself, feels rather awkward to me. For these reasons, I think the sections should be ordered as §Release → §Commercial → §Critical → §Legacy, while maintaining the placement of the sections above and below those four.
Aguilera extended her Christina Aguilera in Concert tour into 2001, extending it with eight more dates. – The current phrasing here is repetitive, and I suggest removing the 'extending it'.
The third single, "Falsas Esperanzas", was released on July 3, 2001.[46] "Falsas Esperanzas" reached number fifteen in Spain.[47] → The third single, "Falsas Esperanzas", was released on July 3, 2001,[46] and reached number fifteen in Spain.[47] (less repetitive and consistent with numbers above ten being expressed in numerals earlier in the article)
Released alongside its original English track, "Por Siempre Tú" was released as a promotional single for the album in 2000 → "Por Siempre Tú" was released as a promotional single in 2000 alongside its original English track,
Additionally, the recording spent 19 weeks at number one on the Billboard's Top Latin Albums, where it ranked at number 13 for the most weeks atop the chart.[53] – The fact that it reached number one is more relevant in §Commercial_performance, where it is already included. Additionally, the ranking for most weeks has been rendered outdated by albums remaining on top for longer in the 2020s, including several by Bad Bunny alone.
On September 10, 2001, the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) certified the album 6× Platinum in the Latin field for shipping 600,000 copies.[74] – The source lists the certification date as September 7, 2001.
non-free sound file with a valid fair use rationale and sufficiently low quality
The media files are all relevant to the article and placed in appropriate locations. The images have alt-texts and captions, and the sound file has a description. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:46, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Obscure extinct Peruvian language 2, electric boogaloo. This one is a little bit better known than my last nomination, consisting of a list of numerals and some other scattered words here and there. Interestingly, it was spoken by the Chimu Empire, which makes it all the stranger why it is so unknown. 🪐Kepler-1229b|talk|contribs🪐00:26, 19 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I reviewed this article as part of a GAN assist, and back then I felt it was adequate for GA. However, my initial comment here is that the lead is rather way too short and doesn't adequately summarise the article. I also note this is at least more detailed than the Tabancale language, particularly with what can be uncovered about the phonology. I might give a look through on the content later.--ZKang123 (talk·contribs) 02:47, 19 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Quingnam (also misspelled Quignam[3]: 150 ), also called Pescadora (though this name is ambiguous) and Chimú Think this is a bit too wordy. I might just say Quingnam, also known as Chimú,... And have the following part: Sometimes misspelled Quignam and also called Pescadora, though this name is ambiguous as a footnote (efn).
Would also wikilink Extinct language in first mention of "extinct"
The language went into decline afterwards and was extinct by 1763. "Afterwards" is redundant.
It is virtually unknown, with a list of numerals, proper names and a few other scattered words constituting the only data on the language. However, a number of place names and personal names have been recorded from the language, and some words presumably of Quingnam origin have been found in the local Spanish of the area it was formerly spoken in. This part is quite repetitive.
History:
Chimor was founded around 900 AD and conquered by and incorporated into the Inca Empire around 1470 Shorten to: Chimor was founded around 900 AD and annexed by the Inca Empire around 1470
An early 17th-century letter found during excavations in the ruins of a church at Magdalena de Cao Viejo in the El Brujo Archaeological Complex includes a list of decimal numerals on the back which are probably Quingnam (Pescadora) This sentence is a bit long. Suggest splitting.
for example, in Guaman in the Moche Valley, residents there already spoke Spanish in 1582 Reword to: for example, residents in Guaman in the Moche Valley already spoke Spanish in 1582
Quingnam is not mentioned in a 1651 document listing languages needed for the "evangelization of the North Coast", nor in Baltasar Jaime Martínez Compañón's late-18th-century Codex Martínez Compañón, indicating that by then, according to Urban (2019), "it was not considered relevant for the aims of the Spanish" Quite a long sentence here. Suggest splitting.
Classification:
...spoken a language called Lengua Pescadora 'fisherman language' by Spanish missionaries I think you should put brackets around 'fisherman language'
Phonology:
Why is the quote just hanging there? Might properly attribute
Fixed most issues listed here. I don't really believe that Quingnam is not mentioned in a 1651 document listing languages needed for the "evangelization of the North Coast", nor in Baltasar Jaime Martínez Compañón's late-18th-century Codex Martínez Compañón, indicating that by then, according to Urban (2019), "it was not considered relevant for the aims of the Spanish" is that long so as t require splitting. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. 🪐Kepler-1229b|talk|contribs🪐17:50, 20 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Phonology (continued):
Curious but why isn't there like a phonetics table like Khmer language? Is it because it's mostly speculative?
Indeed, there are very few toponyms in the Moche Valley which contain this letter. This may be due to a co-occurrence of Mochica and Quingnam in the area. In any case, the evidence for /f/ in Quingnam is very weak This reads a bit too essay-like, especially like the use of "indeed" and "in any case"
. ⟨d⟩, in contrast, is much clearer in its pronunciation; it is very rare in recorded toponyms I don't exactly understand this sentence. How is it "clearer in pronunication" but rare in recorded toponyms?
This section might be better reviewed by someone more well-versed in languages.
Grammar:
What is CVC?
The suffix -na can be identified in lexical data possibly attributable to Quingnam, though it is uncertain if it is actually Quingnam, such as in the words quirana 'binding with which the reeds composing a roll or bundle is bound in the reed raft used for fishing in Huanchaco', huabina 'freshwater fish', huangana 'binding for reed raft' (though a Quechua etymology from wanqu 'strap, lace' has also been proposed), and palana 'shovel or spade used in agriculture', which is apparently derived from Spanish pala 'shovel' with the element -na, which could also be the Quechua instrument nominalizer -na Quite a long sentence here. I know it's to explain the meanings of some words, but it's too hard to read through.
Vocabulary:
Actually, I half-wonder whether the analysis can be merged into the table. Like, you create another column for analysis.
As late as 1811, a report was made by an anonymous priest reporting on the customs of residents of the town of Virú Could shorten to: As late as 1811, an anonymous priest documented the customs of Virú residents.
These terms include colao and anchaco, which refer to varieties of chicha, circil, a sort of textile used to "store maize in holes in the sand for preservation and to sieve it later", a kind of calabash called pulluyo, and a plant "probably" called casoco used in pulverized form for medicinal use, a tree called oberal or nier whose flowers were used to cure jaundice, of which oberal is also mentioned in the Piura region, though nier seems to be a more regional term, pay pay 'flour' (cf. Mochica pei 'grass'), and an unspecified animal called pac pac "used to cure hernia by opening it alive and placing it on the sick part of the body". Also quite a long sentence here.
These are what I have from my first read through. My impression is that the article is still a bit complex for non-linguists to understand, particularly in the phonology section.--ZKang123 (talk·contribs) 01:19, 22 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Tried to fix most issues listed here. There just isn't enough information to add in a table; after all, it is known from just a few words. I can't wikilink "phonotactics" since it's a section header. I tried to explain the wildcard notation up above in the phonology section. I have also converted the long sentence into footnotes. The analysis section isn't super mergeable since a good chunk of it applies to too many words. 🪐Kepler-1229b|talk|contribs🪐02:33, 22 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Personally I'm not very confident this article would pass FAC. I saw Kisseran comments below which gave a more thorough review of the phonology section. But I haven't make my stance either way as I want to see what others think about this article.--ZKang123 (talk·contribs) 23:45, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Looking at the issues outlined below I'm not confident either. I seem to have made some significant issues with the sourcing when initially expanding the article. I'll try to fix the issues and we can go from there. 🪐Kepler-1229b|talk|contribs🪐05:43, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Recusing to review. There's some problems with the headings and subheadings.
I don't think the subsections under History are needed, and the one small paragraph of Geographical distribution can be merged to the history section. Per MOS:BODY, short paragraphs generally don't warrant their own subheadings.
Per MOS:SECTIONSTYLE, you shouldn't call back to the article title in section headings. So 'Quingnam and the lengua pescadora" ought to be "Lengua pescadora", no? (Also, this could be a subsection of classification.)
The short subsections under Phonology could probably reduced too - Consonants and Vowels work as sections, with Phonotactics under Consonants (as it mostly just talks about consonants). Stress could be put under the main Phonology heading before the subheadings.
Grammar doesn't need those subsections.
Loanwords and Spanish vocabulary subsections could be merged.
I have merged some of the sections as I see fit, but I believe that some of the sections should probably be kept in accordance with standard language article layout; I can also likely expand some of the shorter sections as well. 🪐Kepler-1229b|talk|contribs🪐19:42, 19 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Full review to come. For now, I am quite perplexed by the absence of an inventory table in the phonology section. Do all of the sources refuse to present the information in tabular form? Even if none of the sources present a table, making one out of the information available is hardly OR. Kisseran (talk) 01:47, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Hmm. Taking a look at the sources you cite for the phonology section, I can understand why you decided against including a table. I personally don't think the obvious nature of the data is a compelling rationale, but that's beside the point for FAC. I'll comment a bit more on the phonology section because I have just taken a look at the source and it is also my specialty:
A few phonological aspects of Quingnam may be deduced from the highly limited data, namely presence of word-final stress, and allowance of consonants in the coda position, as evidenced by the word sut '6' — this sentence is confusing to me for several reasons: (1) a list of items following namely is usually exhaustive, but these are clearly not the only phonological aspects of Quingnam that we know. (2) The word sutpresumably only provides evidence for coda consonants, not final stress. (3) I don't find either the collocations of "presence of word-final stress" or "allowance of consonants in the coda position" to be particularly idiomatic.
The sound [w] may also be postulated based on orthographic alternations of sequences of ⟨ua⟩, ⟨guV⟩ (where V represents a wildcard for any vowel) and ⟨ao⟩, present in both proper names and lexical items. This sound may also be represented by ⟨v⟩ and sometimes ⟨b⟩, which alternate orthographically with the above sequences. — It is not apparent why these alternations are discussed in two separate sentences.
There are very few toponyms in the Moche Valley which contain this letter. — "this letter" has no clear antecedent here. Having read the source I know you are referring to /f/, which is also problematic because /f/ is a phoneme and not a letter.
This may be due to a co-occurrence of Mochica and Quingnam in the area — I think this misrepresents the source. Reading your sentence would lead one to assume that the co-occurrence of Mochica and Quingnam is suggested to be the cause for the paucity of /f/ in the area, whereas the source makes it clear that it is the cause for the presence of /f/ in the area.
This sound is extremely rare in the world, but most notably occurs in Muisca, a Chibchan language. — "extremely rare" is not a good paraphrasing of "not at all common". It is also not true: labial-velar /kp/ appears in about 8% of languages according to WALS and 12% according to PHOIBLE. "most notably occurs in Muisca" is also editorializing not found in the source, which simply states that "it was found in Muisca".
in certain cases it represented a fricative [β] or an approximant [w] — this is not said confidently in the source, which emphasizes very much that it was ambiguous.
The first case is evidently a transcription of [w] in a Spanish orthography and the second can be explained as an instance of voicing after nasals. — what the "first case" and "second case" are is rather unclear here.
For example, ⟨o⟩ is present in a non-front vowel environment, and ⟨i⟩ appears whenever it is also present in a form. — I can't blame you for this sentence being confusing because it is also confusing in the source. Perhaps "and ⟨i⟩ appears whenever it is present elsewhere in a form" is a simple improvement.
the final syllable in Mochica could not be stressed — this is perhaps more minor than the other comments, but I still want to make it. This sentence implies that there was a positive restriction against stressing the final syllable, whereas the source merely states that the possibility of stress falling on the ultima "is not considered an option". Perhaps you meant to write "the final syllable in Mochica could not have been stressed". I would suggest something like "stress is not considered to have fallen on the final syllable in Mochica" or "the final syllable in Mochica is not considered to be a likely location for stress placement".
A general observation looking at this section is that a lot of it is either close paraphrasing or comes very close to it. In this case, it is not a big problem, since it is mostly based on a compatibly licensed source. I haven't included any minor stylistic nitpicks, because I would recommend, in addition to my comments above, generally revising the phonology section closer to the phrasing of Urban 2019, and then stick a {{cc-notice}} template on it. Comments on other sections to come. Kisseran (talk) 23:13, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
3. "Lake Tauca was one of several ancient lakes that formed on the Altiplano, alongside earlier lake cycles known as Escara, Ouki, Salinas (ancient lake)" -> Pipe the link for Salinas (ancient lake) so that it just appears as "Salinas"
4. Remove odd spacing after the second paragraph in the Geography section (Done by me)
5. Add alt text to all of the images
6. "Subsequent research established that Lake Titicaca was not part of Lake Minchin." -> Could this be the start of a new paragraph? The sentences before cover initial research while the ones after cover modern research
Seems like it was Seltzer 1990, who writes Servant and Fontes (1978) date it to >27 ka BP but Lavenu et al. (1984) report that it dates from 27 ka to 22 ka BP. Perhaps this discrepancy is based on new radiocarbon dates not available in the literature. Lago Tauca is the last high lake stand in the Pleistocene and is dated to between 12.5 ka and 11 ka BP (Servant and Fontes, 1978). As most of the radiocarbon dates are from calcareous deposits (stromatolites) and molluscan shells, their validity requires rigorous testing.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:55, 26 October 2026 (UTC)reply
9. Can you move File:Volcán Tunupa - Oruro - Bolivia.jpg into the Causes section? At the moment it is at the very bottom of the Scenarios through the research history section and looks awkward.
Also style preference, but I felt FNs 2 and 3 could be shifted to just at the end of the first two sentences. It's a bit awkward to see the FNs placed mid-clauses unless you use a comma or semi-colon. It's alright if you prefer keeping this style
They are the principal source of precipitation in the Altiplano,[18] and the reason why it increases to the north For the latter clause might write to: , explaining the higher precipitation to/in the north
Water depths reached 110–120 metres (360–390 ft),[13] (an altitude of about 3,770 metres (12,370 ft) above sea level[37]) making Lake Tauca the largest lake on the Altiplano during the last 100,000[38]-130,000 years.[39] This sentence is a bit difficult to read. Also, does the depth necessarily reflect the size? Kinda suggest a rewrite to: Water depths reached 110–120 metres (360–390 ft) at an altitude of about 3,770 metres (12,370 ft) above sea level. and "Lake Tauca the largest lake on the Altiplano during the last 100,000[38]-130,000 years" should be shifted somewhere. Also, shouldn't an en-dash be used for the date range?
The area of Lake Tauca was large enough to influence the climate of the surrounding land, e.g by increasing air humidity[b][75] and precipitation in and around the lake. Use of e.g. here is a bit unencyclopedic. Would just say "For example"...
Don't have much other comments for this secton. Generally I find this section easy to read despite much technical information, which is one of the hallmarks of FACR. Will continue reviewing other sections.
Research history:
and that nitrate deposits in the Atacama and Tarapaca formed from water draining from this lake. Shouldn't it be ...nitrate deposits in the Atacama and Tarapaca were formed from water draining?
An alternative theory postulates that Lake Minchin was formed by several lakes, including Ouki and Inca Huasi, being conflated due to unreliable radiocarbon dates. This sentence reads a bit awkwardly. I guess conflated refers to the several lakes, but I initially thought it means the theory has been conflated due to unreliable radiocarbon dates
The same broad period saw increased moisture in the Brazilian and Bolivian Amazon and the formation of lakes at Laguna Pozuelos, in landslide-dammed valleys of northwestern Argentina, and in Bolivia's Lípez region. Does the increased moisture also applies to northwestern Argentina and the Lipez region?
A 2013 reconstruction envisaged a lake level rise between 18,000 - 16,500 years BP, followed by a highstand between 16,500 - 15,500 and a decrease in lake levels between 14,500 - 13,500 years BP Shouldn't the dashes be "and"
rose to 3,815 metres (12,516 ft)[141]-3,825 metres (12,549 ft) altitude Here reads a bit awkwardly. I know it's to a range postulated by some researchers being cited here.
I thought of suggesting "rose to an altitude range between 3,815 metres (12,516 ft)[141] and 3,825 metres (12,549 ft)". Or "rose to an altitude of 3,815 metres (12,516 ft)[141] or 3,825 metres (12,549 ft)". (Epicgenius do cite different numbers from different sources with "or" for some of his FACs).--ZKang123 (talk·contribs) 02:27, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The Lake Tauca highstands left terraces at the southern and eastern shores of Lake Titicaca[x][273][274] and, together with older stages of higher water levels, formed the pampas around Titicaca. Might suggest rewriting to: The Lake Tauca highstands and earlier periods of elevated water levels formed the pampas surrounding Lake Titicaca, leaving terraces along its southern and eastern shores.
That's because they both discuss the aftereffects of the Tauca highstand on the Titicaca landscape. I tend to tie sentences together in this case. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:08, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
This was not the first time Lake Titicaca rose; Pliocene to Pleistocene lake cycles are known as Mataro, Cabana, Ballivian and Minchin, their exact chronology is unknown This also reads rather awkwardly, being a run-on.
Evidence of higher lake levels during the Tauca period extends from Laguna Mar Chiquita[222] in the south to Lake Junin in the north.[287] FN 222 is a bit weirdly placed in my opinion.
Personally would prefer placing FN222 like the following: Evidence of higher lake levels during the Tauca period extends from Laguna Mar Chiquita in the south[222] to Lake Junin in the north.[287] so it doesn't split awkwardly. Does FN287 still mention Laguna Mar Chiquita? Cos otherwise it seems you are using FN287 to cite its location.--ZKang123 (talk·contribs) 02:27, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Palaeoindian settlement in South America commenced during the Lake Tauca and Ticaña stages,[299] the Viscachani culture around Lake Titicaca was contemporaneous with Lake Tauca. Suggest splitting this into two sentences. This looks like two sentences joined in one
The more favourable environment during the CAPE,[281] as oases[209] and palaeolakes formed, provided the environment for first settlers. Think might rewrite to: The formation of oases[209] and palaeolakes during the CAPE created more favourable conditions for the earliest settlers.
these deposits include salt layers up to 6 metres (20 ft)[142]-10 metres (33 ft) thick Might rewrite: ...include salt layers ranging from 6 metres (20 ft)[142] to 10 metres (33 ft) thick
The drying of the ancient lakes would have fragmented amphibious habitats, generating separate populations,[317] a similar process affected plants and animals during the lakes' existence First I note the SEAOFBLUE for amphibioushabitats. Also I think the latter clause is missing "which". I.e. ... a similar process which affected plants and animals during the lakes' existence. Though that said, why the mention of animals again, because aren't amphibian animals also... animals?
This article is about a horse statue in Ballymun, Dublin, Ireland that reclaims the Gough Monument, which depicts a controversial military figure. The area has a long history with horses, and was built during a big urban renewal scheme in the area. It is dublin's only surviving horse statue Froglord(Finnfrog99)(talk)01:05, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
When and where was the latter first published? When and where was the former first made available to the public, and what is its status in the US? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:43, 19 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Hi, for the phoenix park picture, I was unable to find what country it was originally published in, or what the exact date was, but this an phoblact article says it is from the early 1900s.
Hey, I'm sorry I didn't get back to you last night, I went out with some friends shortly after I left my review at the PR. I do think this article is very close to being ready, at least where prose is concerned. My only slight reservation is the size of §Background, which seems to cover a lot more than just the background and go into detail on the history of the statue. Maybe split off a §Commissioning section? I checked over a few statue FAs– namely The Motherland Calls, Great Western Railway War Memorial, and Arch of Remembrance– and they all have separate sections for the commissioning of the article subject. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 11:46, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Changed the last paragraph in Background to a Commissioning section.
It looks good to me! I am happy to support, though I do think input from editors more familiar with the topic of architecture would be beneficial. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 12:26, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
He took part in the British invasion of the Cape Colony in September 1795 during the French Revolutionary Wars, and was deployed with the 1st Battalion of the 87th to the West Indies, taking part in the expedition to Dutch Guiana in 1799.
He led the assault at the Battle of Canton in May 1841, and having been promoted to the local rank of lieutenant general in India and in China on 18 June 1841,
In August 1843 Gough became Commander-in-Chief, India, and in December 1843 he led the British forces in action against the Mahrattas defeating them decisively at the conclusion of the Gwalior campaign.
He also commanded the troops at the Battle of Mudki in December 1845, at the Battle of Ferozeshah also in December 1845 and at the Battle of Sobraon in February 1846 during the First Anglo-Sikh War.
The Second Anglo-Sikh War started in 1848, and Gough took to the field commanding in person at the Battle of Ramnagar in November 1848 and at the Battle of Chillianwala in January 1849.
He was criticised for relying on frontal assault by infantry rather than using artillery. He was replaced as commander-in-chief by Sir Charles Napier but, before news of his replacement had arrived, Gough achieved a decisive victory over the Sikhs in the Battle of Gujarat in February 1849.
Nope. Wrong guy. "Robert"; confirmed by The Irish Times. I believe he's the guy in the yellow jacket if you search "robert guinness straffan" on Google? Fixed.
and moved to its current location in Chillingham Castle in Northumberland,
They decided to construct a prefabricated housing estate in the village of Ballymun in the city's outskirts, on land bought by the Dublin Corporation (later Dublin City Council (DCC)) from the Albert Agricultural College.
and was undertaken by a consortium of John Sisk and Son and Hadens-Cubitts, using the Balency et Schuul system for flats and the Lowton Cubitt system for houses.
Is this good enough to state it happened in 1966? You could either add another source stating it was explicitly 1966, or just say it was reported that year. Fixed.
The flats were the first council houses with access to foreign piped television.
Residents grew unhappy with the flats. Promises to build a swimming pool and playground went unfulfilled. The block only had one shopping centre, forcing tenants to buy necessities at shops ran out of containers.
Historically, Ballymun has strong links to equestrianism and horses. Beginning in the 1980s, a subculture of "urban cowboys" were a popular hobby among Ballymun youth. The Control of Horses Act, passed in 1996, brought the subculture to near extinction. After the act was passed, locals often described themselves as having to choose between keeping the horses or selling them for drugs.
The sculpture was originally intended to be placed at the proposed town centre on the former Ballymun Shopping Centre site, however due to plans for a proposed Ballymun MetroLink station, the sculpture was relocated.
The decision to display the work in front of Trinity Comprehensive may have been influenced by Philip Napier, who opted to display his work in locations that were meaningful, rather than displaying them in galleries which are viewed as more pristine.
O'Malley 2019, p. 375 "In another part of Dublin today, there is a larger- than- life bronze sculpt…
See 36.
In September 2006, 20 Ballymun locals interested in the sculpture were brought to the Kill Equestrian Centre in Kildare to audition for it. Shields was chosen in 2007, on the grounds of posture and horsemanship, with the sculpture being based off a photograph of her riding a horse there.
The decision to depict her riding bareback was intended to represent Ballymun's equestrian traditions, with a female rather than a male rider chosen to represent the area's youth culture.
O'Malley 2019, p. 375 "Not without some irony, Byrne's Misneach was completed in England and return…
See 36.
According to Breaking Ground and John Byrne, the sculpture subverts the expectation typically associated with military imagery, replacing the controversial Gough with an ordinary person to convey a message of "motivation, youth and womanhood". The decision to have the rider be a local teenager wearing a tracksuit was intended to represent and celebrate Irish youth and culture. Speaking for the Irish Independent, Shields said she felt that "the statue was not of her, rather it was for all the young people of the area."
Some locals, including a Labour Party politician, consider the sculpture to be perpetuating a stereotype and an "unfair and subversive image of the people of Ballymun".
Murphy 2022, p. 195 "This dignified piece of public sculpture, of and for the people, was thought b…
Not manually book-verified.
Irish playwright Dermot Bolger, writing for the Irish Daily Mail, said what made Misneach wonderful is its "sense of democracy and equality" in a time where there "might seem to be little to celebrate in Ireland".
In her book Tell Everyone on This Train I Love Them, American portrait painter Maeve Higgins compared the statue to another equestrian statue depicting a teenager as the rider in Richmond, Virginia, by Kehinde Wiley titled Rumors of War.
In the book Irish Art 1920–2020: Perspectives on Change, Paula Murphy wrote that the sculpture subverts "all aspects of the traditional equestrian monument" except the horse and the bronze casting, with the reuse of the Foley/Gough horse serving to "return an element of the sculpture to Ireland".
Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Byrne's sculpture would subvert all aspects of the traditional equestrian monu…
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Murphy also noted that the sculpture's move to Trinity Comprehensive School echoed the removal of the statue of Queen Victoria from Leinster House in 1948, when "carparking requirements rather than politics was offered as the scapegoat".
Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Byrne's sculpture would subvert all aspects of the traditional equestrian monu…
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The book Art and Architecture of Ireland Volume III: Sculpture 1600–1900 considers the statue to be "participating in a long artistic tradition of modernizing earlier work", with the work having a "symbolic focus" for a specific part of Dublin, although not representing the entire city. The book also considers Byrne's decision to cast a local girl to be replacing Gough with a "new group that was young and without power".
Murphy 2025, p. 505 "When John Byrne, a conceptual artist, put a cast of a girl from Ballymun, Dubl…
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@Finnfrog99 Completed the source review. I only have minor formatting/wording complaints left, those can easily be addressed. Some other things that I suggest: standardizing citation case to title or sentence case, fixing harv errors (Kirkpatrick-Faragó, Marshall-Scott, Brent Ryan-Schneider-Mayerson, Aibhlín). But these are all minor and easily fixable. Support! travismulch22:12, 19 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I'm concerned about the length of the background section. It's very long, and I don't think it would satisfy criterion 4 ("It stays focused on the main topic without going into unnecessary detail and uses summary style where appropriate" – note my emphasis with the underline). The two main issues:
We have a lengthy exposition as to who Hugh Gough was and his military career. But is this all relevant for the reader's understanding of Misneach, a sculpture that is a pastiche of the Gough Monument, which is, in turn, based on Gough?
"Construction started in 1965 and was undertaken by a consortium of John Sisk and Son and Hadens-Cubitts, using the Balency et Schuul system for flats and the Lowton Cubitt system for houses. The first tenants were relocated in 1966. The flats were the first council houses with access to foreign piped television" the underlined parts are what I view to be irrelevant. How would the type of concrete panel system used in a public housing project be relevant to the reader's understanding of a sculpture? Same with the foreign piped TV thing.
Conversely, there are some details in the article that leave a lot to be desired for comprehensiveness and context. For example:
"the sculpture subverts the expectation typically associated with military imagery, replacing the controversial Gough with an ordinary person" what makes Gough "controversial"? I'm not familiar with Irish history, and I doubt a good chunk of readers aren't. This would have to be explained in the background section.
Why did they choose to model it after the Gough Monument? My guess is that the Gough Monument depicts an Irish subject. Or maybe it has something to do with the controversial nature of Gough or the Gough Monument?
The article mentions Ballymun's historical association with horses and equestrian culture, but doesn't actually go into depth on it beyond the 80s cowboy subculture. Considering that Misneach was created as part of the plans for Ballymun's regeneration, should this not be mentioned?
"Some locals, including a Labour Party politician, consider the sculpture to be perpetuating a stereotype" what is the stereotype? I am presuming that it involves Ballymun being a "bad part" of Dublin. And why did they think that the sculpture was perpetuating a stereotype? Was it due to the subject in Misneach wearing the Adidas jacket?
I have also identified some prose issues:
"Beginning in the 1980s, a subculture of "urban cowboys" were a popular hobby among Ballymun youth"
"The block only had one shopping centre, forcing tenants to buy necessities at shops ran out of containers." what does this mean? Are tenants forced to buy necessities at shops when they run out of containers?
"The decision to display the work in front of Trinity Comprehensive may have been influenced by Philip Napier, who opted to display his work in locations that were meaningful, rather than displaying them in galleries which are viewed as more pristine" it's not explicitly stated who Philip Napier is, so readers will have to infer that Napier is an artist.
I'm personally leaning toward opposing this nomination, but other people's mileage may vary. I wouldn't be discouraged, though – the article does seem to have the skeleton of an FA (like citing HQRS), so mainly the prose needs fleshing out, I think. Icepinner(Come to Hakurei Shrine!)15:58, 21 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I have cut the Background section down, do you think it still needs more cutting?
To explain how gough is controversial, I added; History Ireland says that Gough is considered an controversial figure for fighting on the side of the colonists in the Opium War and the Sikh Wars.
"Why did they choose to model it after the Gough Monument?" This fact is explained in the article, second paragraph in Design and symbolism
The "80s cowboy subculture" is the historical association with horses.
"what is the stereotype? I am presuming that it involves Ballymun being a "bad part" of Dublin. And why did they think that the sculpture was perpetuating a stereotype? Was it due to the subject in Misneach wearing the Adidas jacket?" We should not speculate on what they meant by that. They did not clarify their exact intended meaning, so the article only gives the explanation they did
Changed "were a popular hobby" to "became a popular hobby"
It means that they turned containers into shops, they ran shops inside the containers. Changed to " shops that operated out of containers"
I would go back and check how that book described Napier, but a few days after this FAC started, TWL went down when toolforge did. Thank god I added those quotes. regardless, I think that saying "[he] opted to display his work in locations that were meaningful, rather than displaying them in galleries" makes it obvious enough he is an artist without need of additional clarification Froglord(Finnfrog99)(talk)17:16, 21 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your responses. Regarding your replies:
It looks better now. I still wonder if the level of detail surrounding Gough's military career before India and China, particularly the Peninsular War period, is relevant given that the bulk of Gough's controversy concerns his career in China and India. We could probably simplify it to "Between 1809 and 1813, Gough also fought in the Peninsular War". But feel free to disagree.
Seems good... you have mentioned off-wiki to me that History Island may be considered a HQRS as it has a pretty strong editorial board (and may be considered a journal, despite its website and Wikipedia page calling it a "magazine").
I forgot that Breaking Ground was the name of the programme... I thought it was the name of a random art website (and therefore thought that the second paragraph was an interpretation of the sculpture). But fair enough. Serves me right:-)
Ah, that makes sense. Whenever I think of "historical" regarding Ireland, I usually think of anything up until the 1800s, or maybe up to WWII. I was under the impression that Ballymun's historical association with horses would be like a stable that was used during medieval times, or a 19th-century cavalry training ground. Certainly not an 80s subculture of cowboys! But thanks for the clarification.
This article is about a little known action in the South West Pacific during World War II. I originally expanded it from a stub back in October 2008, hence the old-fashioned referencing. It has taken until now for the article to reach the top of may FAC queue. The operation itself was a failure; hampered by the rugged terrain, inclement weather, signal failures, misunderstandings, over-caution, and above all the resolute and resourceful Japanese, the Americans were unable to prevent large numbers of the retreating Japanese from slipping past them. Hawkeye7(discuss)21:28, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"The Battle of Finschhafen prevented the early occupation of Saidor. The Japanese wrested back the initiative and threatened to derail MacArthur's strategy" - this could also be clarified so people who aren't familiar with this sequence of battles can more readily understand it.
"as it was at Goodenough Island but no longer required for the New Britain campaign" - what was the division's role in that campaign? (a reserve I presume)
The 32nd Infantry Division was intended for the attack on Gasmata, but this was cancelled. It had then become the Alamo Force reserve for the Battle of Cape Gloucester and Battle of Arawe, but was not committed. Added this. Hawkeye7(discuss)20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Can more be said about the Japanese forces and their plans in the background or preparations sections? What's there at present is a bit fragmentary, and combining it would assist readers.
Oh. I only created that article in 2022. I went through and added links to the references but did not look in the body. We never got all the official historians done. Hawkeye7(discuss)20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The term 'native' for people is generally discouraged these days - 'New Guinean' or 'local' would be good alternatives
Can anything more be said about the civilians' experiences? Sources on this tend to be limited, but sometimes there's a journal article or PhD on the area with useful material.
The infobox, for the Americans, states: 40 killed, 11 wounded, 16 missing – This is a very bad KIA-to-WIA ratio, even accounting for the difficulties of obtaining medical care. Is this right?
In the lead there really isn't any context behind the third paragraph, which opens with After considerable construction effort in the face of wet weather, the airbase was completed and proved useful. – The airbase gets introduced here!
explicit instruction to fight the Japanese – Well, they had to conduct a possibly opposed landing right? Maybe reword it to be more specific, like were they not given instructions to pursue or try to cut the Japanese retreat?
However, on 21 January Martin received a letter stating that the mission of the Michaelmas Task Force remained unchanged and a radiogram was received on 22 January to the effect that this was not consistent with Krueger's wishes. On 8 February, Martin received a garbled radiogram from Krueger that indicated that the earlier restrictive message of 22 January had itself been garbled, and on 9 February a radiogram was received authorising offensive action. – What was in the 22 January radiogram that was inconsistent with Krueger's wishes? And north of a dozen days to make a "correction" seems strange to me.
Awhile ago I read about the Australian actions on this island, so here is a chance to learn more.
Prose: overall, professional and engaging. A few minor notes below.
Style: overall, meets all MOS and FAC requirements. Sources & citations are uniformly formatted (see note below on linking to sources).
Accurate estimate? "The intelligence staff at GHQ in Brisbane believed that there were no more than 4,500 Japanese forward of Sio, and only 1,500 more between there and the Madang area." The way that is worded, it makes the reader wonder if the estimate was way off. If it was off, does the reader have to read thru the article to find the actual numbers? Consider adding a parenthetical note or efn footnote stating what the actual numbers are.
Clarify: "On 20 January, a visiting staff officer from Alamo Force was asked to raise the possibility with Krueger." Not sure what the significance of this anonymous person is. Can the sentence be deleted or elaborated?
The US Army operated on a strict doctrine of command that meant that Martin could not decide what he could do on his own authority. Kruger's problem was that communications were poor, and if a task force got into trouble, while he had plenty of reserves, he could not move them quickly. The source says the staff officer was the "ALAMO assistant G-3", i.e. the staff officer responsible for operations, who I can tell you was Colonel Clyde D. Eddleman. Hawkeye7(discuss)20:28, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Clarify/define: "A 100 ft (30 m) lighter wharf was begun on 19 January and completed on 5 March." I have no idea what a "lighter wharf" is. There is no WP article, and not even a Wiktionary entry. Google says it is a wharf intended for use by barges ... I suppose it is small and low? Anyway, consider either (a) defining parenthetically; or (b) linking to wharf; or (c) dropping the word "lighter".
Enclclopedic wording? "Sadly for the men of the 32nd Infantry Division, many of these Japanese would later..." Some may say that phrasing is not as dispassionate as it should be. Borderline case ... your call.
Not an FA requriement, but using {{sfn}} template instead of bare "ref". {{sfn}} lets readers click on a citation and jump directly to the source details. Maybe for future articles you could look into that. Instead of using:
<ref>Morton, ''Strategy and Command: The First Two Years'', p. 552</ref>
Clarify ".. bombers staged through Saidor for night attacks on Hollandia...." I'm not sure what "staged through" means. I'm accustomed to "staged at" meaning "assembling prior to an event". If it is an official military term, maybe the article could have a footnote defining it?
It is the term used in the source. In plain English, "staeged through" means "To stop at a designated place in the course of a journey". In the Air Force sense, it means a stopover for refuelling and to stretch your legs, as opposed to a staging area. It is fairly common eg . Hawkeye7(discuss)06:19, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Specify year at first use: "... should be seized on or about 7 January, provided that ... orders setting a target date for Saidor of 2 January 1944." Consider moving the "1944" to the "7 January" since reader sees that first.
I don't see any discussion of how the Saidor events were publicized in US/UK/Australia media. Was it in the media? Or only incidentally as part of the larger New Guinea campaign? Anyway: if the sources support it, consider adding a sentence or two on how the people of Allied countries perceived the Saidor action.
The article does say this. War correspondents could report on events once they were mentioned in MacArthur's communiqué, which is why it is quoted in the article. These were intended for public consumption in the US, not for the troops. The action at Saidor was reported in Australian newspapers: , , and . It was lesser news in the United States eg. Hawkeye7(discuss)07:50, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Wording? "... quite normal for the time of year..." Can the word "quite" be eliminated. Reminds me of the prhase "the most unique":-)
All 8 images are free-to-use and include details & rationale. Seven are US government created public domain; one is Australian government.
Images are all relevant and informative.
No alt text in the images, but I believe the FA community views that as optional ... the one criteria in GA that is stricter than FA.
Map File:Principal operations 1943.jpg is perhaps the most important image in the article, essentially an overview of everything discussed. Some readers may have a difficult time spotting where Saidor is. Consider adding an indicator highlighting Saidor to help them. I can create a 2nd version of the map with an indicator, if you want.
The FA Cup is an English association football (soccer) knock-out (single elimination) tournament and the oldest competition in the world in the sport, having taken place every year (except during the World Wars) for over 150 years. Last season nearly 750 teams entered and Manchester City beat Chelsea in the final in front of nearly 90,000 fans. The first ever competition was somewhat different and seems rather bizarre to modern eyes. Only 15 teams entered, and three of them pulled out without playing. Two teams in the first round could not find a mutually agreeable date for their match so they were both allowed to just progress to the next round. A game which ended in a draw (tie) resulted in both teams progressing to the next round.....except when it didn't. A number of teams turned up for games with as few as eight players. After a draw in a semi-final game, one team proposed 30 minutes of extra time to determine a winner but their opponents refused, even though they knew it would mean a replay which they could not afford to travel to. Different times indeed...... I hope those who enjoy football, and even those who don't, find this an interesting read. Feedback will be most gratefully received and swiftly acted upon -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:33, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Five other clubs were persuaded to enter, including Maidenhead, a club which was not at the time affiliated to the Association but agreed to take part nonetheless.
How about Five other clubs were persuaded to enter, including Maidenhead, which was not then affiliated to the Association.
"Around fifty clubs were eligible to enter, but only twelve chose to do so" → "Around fifty clubs were eligible to enter, but only twelve did so"
"Matches in the early part of the competition were officiated by two umpires, one provided by each team" → "Early matches were officiated by two umpires, one provided by each team"
"Although there were seven matches scheduled in the first round, only four took place" → "Although seven matches were scheduled for the first round, only four took place"
With fifteen entrants, seven matches were scheduled and Hampstead Heathens were awarded a bye to the second round.
How about With fifteen entrants, seven matches were scheduled, and Hampstead Heathens received a bye to the second round.
"due to a rule that provincial teams should be drawn against each other..." → "under a rule requiring provincial teams to be drawn against each other..."
"making the team one of a small number to have entered the FA Cup at least once but never played an actual match." → "making it one of a small number of teams to have entered the FA Cup but never played a match."
"The Heathens again only managed to field ten players but the match was even in the first half." → "The Heathens again managed to field only ten players, but the match was even in the first half."
Semi-finals
"all matches from the semi-finals onwards were to be played in London; both took place at Kennington Oval." → "all matches from the semi-finals onwards were to be played in London, and both semi-finals took place at Kennington Oval."
"After 45 minutes the teams changed ends as there had been no goals scored." → "After 45 minutes, the teams changed ends as no goals had been scored."
"and only the skill of Merriman was able to prevent his opponents from increasing their lead" → "Wanderers continued to exert pressure, but only Merriman's skill prevented them from increasing their lead"
Lead
The 1871–72 Football Association Challenge Cup was the first staging of the Football Association Challenge Cup
I appreciate the variety in your writing tone as a football fan, but could we simplify "staging" for the general readers?
I can't really think of an alternative way of expressing this. It's not a football specific term, it just means "the first time this competition took place" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:00, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
the secretary of the Football Association (the FA) if "the" is part of the title then i think it should be linked with "Football Association"
as no universally agreed rules for the sport existed ==> "as no universally agreed rules existed" (previous part of the sentence works)
won the final on 16 March 1872, at Kennington Oval in London comma redundant per MOS:DATE
background
for enforcing the Laws of the Game during a match and the comma before "and"
first round
A notice was published in The Sportsman indicating that ==> "A notice published in The Sportsman indicated that"
only four actually took place, all of them played on 11 November. "actually" is redundant. I'd maybe change the comma to a semi-colon, I think it'd work better?
second round
making the team one of a small number to have entered the FA Cup at least ==> "making the team one of few to have entered the FA Cup at least" (conciseness)
although a tenth arrived midway through the game "through the game" isn't needed since it can be implied by the previous part
semi finals
After ninety minutes, the score i'd remove the comma for consistency with the rest of the article
finals
won the coin toss and "coin toss" is linked here but not above
@750h+: - many thanks for your review. All done with the exception of the second one under second round. Maybe it's an ENGVAR thing, but in the UK we wouldn't say "a tenth arrived midway". We would conceivably drop "the game" and say "a tenth arrived midway through", but we wouldn't use just "midway" on its own in that sentence -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:37, 24 October 2026 (UTC)reply
This is a river in the Seattle area, draining Lake Sammamish into Lake Washington. Heavily modified as the Seattle suburbs grew up around it, it turned from a slough to a heavily channelized river, although it still serves as a salmon migration route. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 16:04, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Is there a reason why Ref 5 ("Sammamish River Trail". King County. Retrieved June 11, 2026.) is an inline reference and not {{sfn}}?
Fixed.-G
A lot of illustration—greatly appreciated!
I've already reviewed one of your water bodies GANs where you explained the sourcing behind these articles so I don't see an issue with that.
I'm not an expert on streams, so I'm not familiar with some of these terms. I think this also applies to most readers, so I'll call them jargons:
"riparian habitat"
Clarified.-G
"The Sammamish River has a low elevation and a gentle gradient" what is gradient supposed to mean here?
Steepness, rephrased.-G
"benthic"
Fixed.-G
Do you intend on writing articles for the North Creek and Little Bear Creek?
Eventually.-G
You seem to use commas for years, but sometimes not. Such as in the lede (e.g. "15,000 years ago" then "2400 to 8000" years old). Let's make it consistent. If I spot more I'll list it here, if not I suggest you to take another look.
This appears to also occur in "Human history", 2400 years before present to over 8000.
Fixed.-G
How is ƛ̕ax̌ʷadis pronounced?
Neither ƛ̕ and x̌ʷ are in English, so it'd be hard to give an approximation... the ipa would be t͜ɬʼɑχʷadis which isn't much more helpful (but I can give it if needed)-G
That's it from me. The article seems to be well-written, except for a few minor errors that I found during this review. Looking forward to your response. Vacant0(talk•contribs)14:52, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
You say "fish such as" in the lead. Given that the article mentions a the river "is used by a greater variety of fish species than many other streams in western Washington", I think it would be better as "a large/wide variety of fish such as" followed by 2 or 3 examples instead of 1.
"located near the river's mouth," suggest link river mouth in "mouth"
Course
"The length of the river can vary depending on how its start and end points are calculated" if there is an agreed maximum/minimum length, you should mention it in the same footnote. if there is no known maximum/minimum, and a source says so, you should mention it there. either way, don't leave the reader wondering what these lengths are. if it's not possible, don't make a change.
"and then, about 1 mile" Most likely you are trying to avoid choppiness, but "and then" feels informal and redundant. I'd keep "then", although "and" also works, but either way one of the two has to go.
"in downtown Bothell" Above you introduced (and linked) Bothell next to a mention of a trail and a park. This led me to assume that Bothell is some wildlife/trail area. Evidently that's not the case, so in the spirit of MOS:NOFORCELINK I suggest something like "and the city of Bothell" when you first mention it.
Hydrology
"The Sammamish receives most of its streamflow from surface water such as these tributaries,[12] although some groundwater drains into the river from aquifers." If you're going to link streamflow, why not groundwater and aquifers
"The Sammamish River has a low elevation and gentle steepness" is there any specific data for steepness? I have no idea whether steepness data is usually included in river articles, but it feels weird to omit steepness when elevation data is included
Why link arsenic and sodium but not any other elements?
Geology
Unlink Puget Sound as the article consistently links each term only once outside of the lead, and Puget Sound is already linked above.
"before retreating several thousand years later" how many? is there an estimate?
Explain in parentheses what alluvium is per MOS:NOFORCELINK, like how you explained glacial till and glaciolacustrine deposits
Biology
The image caption "Chinook salmon are among the several species of salmonid which traverse the Sammamish to spawn." is unsourced. It is not stated in the article so you'll need to add a ref
These forests improve water quality and allow for greater food resources to fish such as salmon" This isn't a repeated link so it isn't technically not following the manual of style, but given the high volume of links in this section, including many links to salmon species, I suggest you unlink this. links are distracting etc., this one isn't useful.
"Populus trichocarpa (cottonwood)" I suggest you pipe the link with whatever name you think the cottonwood has been referred to as most frequently (e.g. by the sources in the article). Multiple reasons: 1) a common name is more recognisable 2) you just stated "Willows" and not "the genus Salix" 3) a name followed by another name in brackets makes for poor prose
(from #Human history) "Early Euro-American settlers reported plants such as Malus fusca (wild crab-apple), Corylus cornuta (beaked hazelnut), Urtica dioica (nettle), and Typha latifolia (cattail) around the river" Hmm... looks like it's consistent this way. But you refer to animals by their common name! see for example the link to great blue heron in the section above. I think that this change is still worth making although it is already consistent. --ncw
"Himalayan blackberry and reed canarygrass are common invasive plants across the riparian zone, with the latter originally introduced as an anti-erosion measure" I'm not a fan of this "the latter"/"the former" usage. When it's names of people, fine, but here you introduce new terms and then refer to them by a word that isn't their name, which genuinely meant I took a few seconds to figure out what this was trying to say. Suggest reordering to remove "the latter". if that's not possible, you could try splitting into two sentences.
"have traditionally served as habitat" suggest "have traditionally served as a habitat"
"may be found in the area" introduces doubt and ambiguity where it's unnecessary. They may be found? Do you mean they could be found but nobody knows if they're there, or that they are there but the person reading might not be able to find them? Or that they might be there on Tuesday but they go out for dinner on Friday? I assume you meant they are in the area. You don't need to question the reader's ability to find these birds, you just need to state that they exist there. How about "reside in the area"? I hope this is clear enough. To be fair, it is a very nitpicky thing to comment on.
Human history
I am not sure whether "human history" is a great section title. In my view this suggests that there is a non-human history section, which there isn't. Or perhapse that is what the #Geology section is for.
"was inhabited by the eponymous Sammamish people" drop "eponymous"
Link "Lushootseed" to whatever page is most appropriate. I think it's already implied enough that this is a language so MOS:NOFORCELINK is already followed.
I am not sure if red links to other projects are allowed, but if there's more information on the word "ƛ̕ax̌ʷadis" out there, a link to en.wiktionary (where there's no entry yet) may be appropriate. WP:NORED doesn't specify whether this is disallowed.
"near the mouth of the river on Lake Washington" suggest "near the mouth of the river by Lake Washington"
"was among the territories ceded" to whom?
"Perennial floods which would often cover the entire floor of the river valley in 2 feet (0.61 m) of water" I think the "which" here is a mistake and should be removed, unless you were trying to say something else and skipped a few words. It's definitely not a grammatically correct standalone sentence.
"and King County to begin" I assume that the actual King County can't do this so it must be a body representing it. IMO it's not clear who actually did this, but if you think it's clear enough it can be left as is. I generally don't know much about how counties and other bits of land operate.
"to over 65,000 by the 2020s" suggest "to over 65,000 by the early 2020s" as the 2020s aren't over. Who knows, maybe the population will drop dramatically over the next few years. WP:CRYSTAL etc.
"a small area of forest was destroyed" can you specify the number of surface area destroyed? is that in a source somewhere?
I hope these comments are useful! I think that the article is overall very good, so most of my comments are just about trivial stuff like links. Please ping me when you've addressed everything. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 21:01, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
All of the sources here are reliable– a combination of technical reports, academic journals, relevant books, and sources from King County itself– and all are from reputable publishers. I was a bit conservative with the spotcheck, and only checked about a quarter of the refs. I think we can trust an FAC coordinator (congrats on the promotion btw!) with 30 FAs to know what they're doing. Even so, I do have some minor comments:
I recommend adjusting ref 13 to cite Carey 2003 p. 19 as well as p. 20, as the word "aquifer" appears on the former page instead of the latter.
Conversely, ref 32 should probably just be p. 393, as all of the cited information appears to be on that page.
Sources with URLs should probably have access dates.
I'm confused by ref 18, which cites Mohamedali 2015 p. 5. I don't doubt that the cited information is present in that document, but from what I can tell, that specific page is occupied by a table of contents.
Perhaps the "The Sammamish River in Bothell, overlooking the Bothell Landing Bridge" photo could be moved below the table, to prevent the clutter that happens now below the infobox.
Any way footnote b could get a citation?
You list a wide range of species, but any word on amphibians there?
"plants such as Malus fusca (wild crab-apple), Corylus cornuta (beaked hazelnut), Urtica dioica (nettle), and Typha latifolia (cattail)" you give both scientific and common names here, but not elsewhere.
"Due to this, the Sammamish River was originally referred to as the Squak Slough." so when did the name of the river change to the current one?
"At the time of Euro-American contact" when did they reach the area?
"dialect of Lushootseed" anything to link?
"Small-scale farming efforts began soon after Euro-American settlement," I don't think "Euro-American" has to be repeated by this point, the reader gets the picture.
"with the invasive reed canarygrass found across its course" why is this plant singled out in the intro, when it seems to just be an "also-ran" in the article body?
"At the time of contact, the area was inhabited by" here, on the other hand, "contact" could need clarification.
The escort carrier USS Ommaney Bay was in commission for less than a year, but she still supported three invasions, helped repel the Japanese fleet off Samar, and contributed to the sinking of two cruisers, before being lost to a kamikaze attack as she escorted an invasion force to Luzon. In 2023, her wreck was identified, with her intact bow upside down.
Suggest mentioning in the text that the eight Bofors 40 mm (1.57 in) guns are in pairs. I was initially thrown when the infobox said four (as in pairs)
Unless there is a specific editorial reason for your approach, given just about everything else in the infobox is mentioned, consider mentioning range and complement
Construction and early service
The namesake needs to be discussed here
...Mrs P.K. Robottom. She was transferred...: suggest "The ship" instead of "She", just in case some nitwit thinks Mrs Robottom was transferred...
She spent much of February 1944...: the year is probably redundant here?
You've linked Australia; I think for major countries at least it isn't necessary to do so
In total, they expended 63 500 lb...: shouldn't the pound weight use the comma, i.e. 63,500? All the weights in this section seem to miss the comma
These are supposed to be counting the # of munitions, not weight. That being said, on further thought, it may be unnecessary detail.
The year in the last sentence is probably redundant?
Battle of Leyte Gulf
Dupe link: Camotes Sea
Admiral Kinkaid ordered Taffy 2 to divert all of the aircraft towards the defense...: all available aircraft? Some of the Ommaney Bay aircraft were about to engage the Mogami
Note 2 should use quotation marks
They assembled into a formation of eight Wildcats and eleven Avengers, setting off at 13:31.: where did the other Wildcat/Avengers come from? There might be a bit of excessive detail on the armament in the following sentence; it is only the three torepdo-equipped Avengers from Ommaney Bay that are of consequence here so maybe delete that sentence and then reword the next sentence to "Peeling off, the three torpedo-laden Avengers"
Task Unit 77.12.7: you haven't used the TU abbreviation here?
Battle of Mindoro
At 09:43, a Yokosuka P1Y: add type of aircraft (bomber)
about 400 yd (370 m)..: plural form of measurement I think
Second sentence of 1st para, plural form of measurement I think
Ditto
P-47 fighters: suggest adding the common name for the type i.e. P-47 Thunderbolt fighters
dupe links: Manila Bay
RE the caption for the last image, suggest "A distant view of the pyrocumulus cloud erupting from the ship" or similar, better context for the pyrocumulus cloud I think
Discovery of wreck
Nothing to comment on here
Squadron history
Suggest working "Composite Squadron (VC) 75" into your narrative of the ship's work in the Palau Islands fighting
Add the common names for FM-2 and TBM-1 aircraft, you haven't used the FM-2/TBM-1 to identify them in the text
Other stuff
All photographs look to have been produced by Navy personnel in the course of their duties and have appropriate PD tags
For the War Diary citations, some have page numbers and some (e.g. notes 12 and 13) don't?
It means that I'm pulling morsels from throughout the entire document. I've added page ranges.
This article is about Meg White, the drummer and occasional vocalist of the White Stripes, and a key figure in the 2000s garage rock and post-punk revivals. I once nominated this for FAC in January 2026 I believe, and after more work and reference vetting to the best of my human ability—in addition to another peer review—I'm ready to give it another go. The article should be in prime condition for FA and I hope we can make it this time. Thank you! Watagwaan? I really like the color red!13:16, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Watagwaan:: The first FAC nomination had 3 supports on prose/MOS but was archived due to the source review, correct? Does the current version of the article address the source review issues that were raised in the first nomination? Noleander (talk) 16:48, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Add year? During her senior year, White met musician and fellow high school senior Jack Gillis at a coffee shop in either Ferndale, Michigan or Hamtramck. They formed a relationship and married in September 1996,... Maybe add year of when they met, so readers can to the math and see how much time elapsed between meeting and marriage. Alternatively, add words like "... and the married three years later in Sept 1996 ..." or similar.
Added!
Wikilink: In 1997, White began learning to play the drums using Jack's drum kit ... to drum kit
Added!
Word needed? The track "In the Cold, Cold Night" additionally features White singing lead for the first time... Not sure what purpose "additionally" serves here. In addition to what?
I used "additionally" there because two songs were mentioned prior, and for flow/going onto a segue to singing versus drumming it felt better.
P vs PP
Handyside 2004, pp. 48. P/PP error? pp. 48.;
Handyside 2004, p. 4–5. P/PP error? p. 4–5.;
Fixed both of the above!
Cite uniformity: ISBN numbers should use similar hyphenation: they are not currently
Fixed!
Clarify wording They divorced in March 2000, though they resided in a house Jack purchased from his parents until 2003. probably better for readers as They divorced in March 2000, though they continued residing in a house Jack purchased from his parents until 2003.
Fixed!
Punctuation: Dylan is her primary inspiration and favorite artist, even suggesting that the White Stripes perform Dylan songs live; Jack noted that her record collection was not only "twice as big as mine" but also contained more Dylan records than his own. That semicolon in the middle is probably better as a period.
Follow-up with details: Dylan is her primary inspiration and favorite artist, even suggesting that the White Stripes perform Dylan songs live ... Article should tell reader whether they did or not. Maybe put as an efn footnote if a minor fact. But if they did not that kinda suggests that Jack did not listen to her? In any case: if sources say they did or did not play Dylan covers should be mentioned here.
Fixed both of the above!
That is all I have. I already reviewed this in the prior FAC #1 and rendered a support opinion then. Leaning support. Ping me when you have considered the above items. Noleander (talk) 16:38, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
File:Meg White 1 (cropped).png - CC BY-SA 2.0 (this is fantastic image)
File:Meg White in 2000 (cropped 3).png - Commons has this as CC BY 2.0. It needs to be updated to CC BY-SA 2.0 per the source (Flikr)
File:The White Stripes (cropped).jpg - Commons has this as CC BY-SA 4.0; however, Flikr (the source) has this as CC BY-SA 2.0. This needs to be reflected on the commons file.
File:Jack & Meg, The White Stripes.jpg - CC BY-SA 2.0
File:Meg White.jpg - Listed at commons as CC BY-SA 2.0; however, both the source and author links give 404s. I've tried searching for archives of the link on internet archive and the results there give 404 also. Also, this source gives credit to Scott Gries/Getty Images, which is entirely different than commons. I think we have an issue with this image. It's possible this image has been ripped off from our community with another person trying to take credit for it; but I have no evidence to support that possibility.
File:The White Stripes Icky Thump era 2007 (cropped).png - CC BY 2.0
File:Meg White Primavera 2007.jpg - CC BY 2.0
File:FoosDublin210819-2 (48620472807) (cropped).jpg - CC BY 2.0
File:RiP2013 GreenDay Tre Cool 0002.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
File:Whitestripes.jpg - CC BY-SA 2.0. The source link for this is throwing up a 404. As above the Internet Archive is giving no love; however, the image was reviewed by @Yuval CT (who is an admin over at commons) after its upload and they left a notice that they had reviewed the source and that the image had been appropriately released under the license stated.
All of the images have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning.
Aside from the images, there are three excerpts from White Stripe songs. These are hosted on Wikipedia, are 15 seconds each and have rationale which meet WP:NFCC. The files are:
File:The White Stripes - Fell in Love With a Girl.ogg,
Addressed everything except for Megwhite.jpg, because that seems to be a present issue. It was previously reviewed by an administrator several years ago as being on Flickr CC-BY-SA-2.0, and I recognize it's kind of working on good blind faith, but it truly is an impeccable image and if it was once accessible under that license, I'm inclined to keep it. But ultimately, whatever is decided I won't oppose. Watagwaan? I really like the color red!12:49, 14 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Admittedly, it's not your fault, and stuff like this doesn't get checked often (Flickr reviews are usually just clean passes) but sometimes it just happens and goes under the radar for a long time. I'll admit it took me a bit of searching to get that definitive proof. travismulch21:01, 16 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The White Stripes experimented with their sound on their fifth album, Get Behind Me Satan, with White using percussion bells, maracas, and tambourines. The album was released in 2005 and won the band their second Grammy for Best Alternative Music Album.
In addition to drumming, White played a 1959 Univox synth, spoke on the bagpipe-heavy track "St. Andrew (This Battle Is in the Air)" and provided backing vocals across the album.
She said she respects other techniques but that her style was best for the White Stripes. When some criticisms "really bother[s] her", she said that she reminds herself that her technique is important for the band and tries to take enjoyment from her work.
Jonny Walfisz of Euronews likened White to Ringo Starr of the Beatles in 2023, calling her a "sheer genius of a drummer" who, like Starr, showed creativity through minimalism to best support each song.
Angie Mortoccio believed that White was "awesome" for leaving media inquiries unanswered, "especially in the age of social media, when younger artists regularly reply to criticism in sometimes ill-advised ways."
Does any web link exist for the 2003 Rolling Stone Australia article (c. 91)?
This was originally linked to the True book that is frequently cited across the article, but that in itself was taken from an interview that an editor claimed to have found but did not provide a link; I cannot find it for the life of me, so I've reverted it back to the True source.
Can The Daily Record & NME print citation (c. 102, 103) be replaced with NME itself, since it's an RS? (2002) (2003)
Yes, it can!
Can the Howard Stern YouTube citation (c. 131) be replaced with Loudwire, an RS?
Yes, it can!
Can the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame press release (c. 139) be replaced with Cleveland.com, a news RS?
I had already used this in the article and did not even realize I could've replaced the other one. Thanks!
Can the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame & WRAT citation (c. 152, 153) be replaced with People, an RS?
Not conducting a prose review, but one thing I noticed needed fixing while glancing around is the sentence "In May 2009, Jack revealed the band's plan to release a seventh album, which never came to fruition." Another source is needed to defend the bolded parts. travismulch05:01, 16 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Nice. It's good to see "unreliable sources", "press releases" and "social media" disappear from Cite Unseen in an edit. @Watagwaan, ping me if this nomination ends up stalling or if you need an additional review, I'm willing to contribute wherever needed, just busy at the moment. travismulch20:19, 16 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I'm not very good at source reviews; I can trust my gut in picking reliable sources most of the time when working on articles, but looking at all of them afterwards when I'm unfamiliar with an article/body of references overwhelms me sometimes, I struggle to keep up. Sorry ☹️ Watagwaan? I really like the color red!04:18, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Meg White is one of my favourite musicians, and it's great to see this article at FAC. I'd like to offer the following comments:
"Her last media appearance was in 2009, and she has not been active in the music industry since." - this phrasing is a bit confusing given the White Stripes didn't split up until 2011 and continue to periodically release recordings of their concerts. Replacing 'media appearance' with 'public performance' or similar would clarify things. White is presumably also involved with the process of releasing the White Stripes' back catalogue, so 'not active in the music industry' seems like an over-statement.
Their back catalogue is handled through Third Man Records, which White doesn't have involvement with; the last time she was seen in the media was for that Conan performance in 2009, even when the White Stripes formally split up 2 years later.
What sources say that she isn't involved with these releases? If there are sources that say that she lets Jack White do whatever he wants with the back catalogue with no involvement, this would be worth noting. Artists usually have all kinds of business and copyright-related involvement in their back catalogue long after their bands disband. Nick-D (talk) 04:59, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"and enjoyed the pastimes of roller skating, drawing, building snow fortresses, and doing makeup with her friends" - is this needed? It seems irrelevant given this is the kinds of things all kids do.
This was added by another editor, fine to remove.
Do we know anything about White's history with music before 1997?
Believe me, I've searched; it seems like her music beginnings were as early as 1997.
"and released their self-titled debut album to generally positive reviews" - say when in the year it was released
Fixed!
"the album was praised as the band returned to styles present on the band's first two albums" - this wording is a bit clunky Nick-D (talk) 00:34, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I didn't want to put the episode name in the lead, it seemed a bit extraneous. I actually replaced it with her model work, because it's mentioned as a venture but the lead as it is doesn't really expand on it.
She was married to Jackson Smith from 2009 to 2013 —> "She was married to guitarist Jackson Smith from 2009 to 2013"
Fixed!
Early life
"She notably worked at a restaurant" is "notably" needed?
Yeah, I didn't realize that. Fixed!
Career
Journalist Alexis Petridis considers —> "Alexis Petridis of The Guardian considered", also change The Guardian deemed all three songs to "Petridis deemed all three songs"
Fixed!
"which expands on Nikola Tesla" I don't know what this means. How does it expand on Nikola Tesla?
The segment itself discusses Tesla and his self-titled coil, hence "Jack Shows Meg His Tesla Coil".
BBC shouldn't be italicized
Fixed!
"the album was favorably compared to their first two albums" this is cited to a specific review, so it should be attributed to that review.
Actually, this sentence probably isn't even needed.
"which is White's last media appearance to date" an {{as of}} is needed here
Fixed!
Artistry
The first and third audio sample captions need periods since they're sentences
Fixed!
Does "songs" really need a link to the White Stripes' discography?
Fixed!
Public image
and a writer for Vulture why not include the writer's name?
Removed this quote since this section was merged with Artistry.
Consequence of Sound should be changed to Consequence. This should also be done in references.
Fixed!
Legacy
"Variety magazine" should just be Variety
Fixed!
NPR shouldn't be italicized
Fixed!
Pop should link to pop music, not popular culture
Fixed!
Personal life
Nothing here
Achievements
I'd prefer if "(the third female drummer to be honored)" wasn't in parentheses
Fixed! (moved to Legacy)
References
There are some MOS:DASH issues in titles, specifically refs 23, 33, 95, and 122
I am a dunderhead. Fixed!
Make sure that refs are marked with |url-access=limited or subscription where necessary. Some ones to check for this: Rolling Stone, Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, The Times, The Washington Post, and Vulture
Rolling Stone doesn't seem limited, but I added these for the others! As for The Times reference that was used, it's a dead-link that's easily accessible, so I left it out.
BBC News, MTV, NPR, School of Rock, and CNN should all be marked as publishers
Fixed!
RS should be in italics on ref 34 (since it's an acronym of Rolling Stone)
Fixed!
Having both CBC and Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is redundant, remove CBC
Fixed!
whitestripes.com should be changed to The White Stripes, mark it as a publisher as well
Fixed!
cleveland.com should be The Plain Dealer
Fixed!
Mojo shouldn't be in all caps
Fixed!
Per MOS:ORDER, source sections being named "Bibliography" is discouraged because it isn't clear whether it's works by the subject of the article
I have not had much luck receiving feedback to my skating articles lately, but I'm going to try one more before I give up on FA altogether. I put a lot of time and effort into these, but I understand that not everyone else is as interested in the subject as I am, and it's become like pulling teeth trying to wrangle reviewers. Anyway, this was a great competition from the 2010 Winter Olympics, with much Russian drama, as is the case with many Olympic figure skating events. This article was promoted to GA in August by User:A.Cython. A companion article – Figure skating at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Ice dance – was promoted to FA in September. Please let me know if you have any comments or suggestions, and I look forward to your constructive feedback. Bgsu98(Talk)16:26, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"The results of the competition generated some amount of controversy" - I think "The results of the competition generated controversy" is better
"Stéphane Lambiel of Switzerland also stumbled on an attempted quadruple toe loop" - "also" makes no sense here so should be removed
"a quadruple toe loop-triple toe loop jump combination that was meant to have a double loop added as a third element, but which was omitted" => "a quadruple toe loop-triple toe loop jump combination that was meant to have a double loop added as a third element, which was omitted"
His performance was described by Philip Hersh of the Los Angeles Times as commanding, his jumps solid, and his spins dynamic. Lysacek had had a bad short program at the 2006 Winter Olympics, which he described as a "little monkey on [his] back from Torino four years ago".
Please don't give up on writing FAs, your work is really good and it's nice to have a third sport compete with soccer and snooker for most featured articles. This is my first FA review, so feel free to tell me if I did anything wrong. I have a few comments:
The results of the competition generated controversy when Lysacek won the gold medal without performing a quadruple jump, which many felt was a necessary component of men's figure skating. I'm not really sure many is supported by the article body, which names exactly three people who were upset, all Russians. Unless there is a source that can explicitly back up the claim that many felt it was necessary, I think it would be better to say something more like which Russian figures felt was a necessary component of men's figure skating.
The fact that Plushenko was in the lead after the short program before Lysacek won from the free skate could be added to the lead to make it a little longer.
In the Qualification section, it would be good to add a sentence or two about how figure skating has nations qualify instead of individual athletes, so people not familiar with that system don't have to read the separate article to understand it.
Done.
to generate a final performance score for each skater or team. The or team can be removed here since there were no teams in this particular event.
Done.
For comprehensiveness, I think Takahashi’s bronze medal performance warrants an extra sentence or two. The single sentence after the detailed descriptions of Lysacek and Plushenko's performances feels out-of-place.
Also for comprehensiveness, are there any reliable retrospectives on the event that can be added to the article? If none are available, that's fine, but I think it would be good to include some discussion of the event by sources written months or years later if possible.
User:QuicoleJR: Thank you for taking the time to examine my article and leave your feedback! I agree about Takahashi. From what I remember, all of the sources I found focused on Plushenko and Lysacek to the exclusion of everyone else, including the guy who won the bronze medal! "Oh, by the way, Takahashi won the first ever Olympic medal in figure skating for Japan." I will go search again with more focus on him. Surely somebody somewhere wrote something. Anyway, I will ping you when I have had a chance to address all of your comments! Bgsu98(Talk)18:04, 25 October 2026 (UTC)reply
User:QuicoleJR: I have searched and there is like nothing written about Takahashi. It's like he was a total afterthought compared to Lysacek and Plushenko. I'm not giving up, though. I'm going to ask a friend who can examine sources in Japanese if she can find anything. There were others besides Russians who found objection to the idea of winning the gold medal without performing a quad, including previous Olympic champions and pundits in the media. I'll add some more of that coverage. Additionally, Plushenko received a lot of criticism for his poor attitude and sportsmanship. That also deserves some coverage. As far as retrospectives, there weren't really any, although when Plushenko returned to compete in 2014, several pundits reminded readers/viewers of his poor sportsmanship from 2010. Bgsu98(Talk)16:46, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Truth is commonly understood as conformity to reality or as a property of sentences, propositions, or beliefs that describe things as they are. It is a key topic in philosophy, which discusses competing theories of the nature of truth. Truth is relevant to several other fields, including its role as a goal of inquiry in the sciences and as a virtue or divine attribute in several religious traditions. This is a level-3 vital article with over 175,000 user page views last year. Thanks to Generalissima for their good article review and to Shocksingularity for their peer review! Phlsph7 (talk) 09:42, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"Truth can also be expressed in the field of art by manifesting ideas or understanding through aesthetic phenomena." → "Truth can also be expressed through art, which conveys ideas or understanding through aesthetic forms."
"Psychologists and cognitive scientists study cognitions as truth-related mental processes that acquire, transform, or use information." → "Psychologists and cognitive scientists study cognitive processes that acquire, transform, or use information and examine their relationship to truth."
"Various deflationary theories in the 20th century aimed to show that truth is a trivial linguistic device without a deeper metaphysical significance, proposed by philosophers such as..." → "Various deflationary theories proposed by philosophers such as...aimed to show that truth is a trivial linguistic device without deeper metaphysical significance."
"There are disagreements about whether such features exist and whether a given feature is an essential component or an external criterion only indicating the presence of truth." → "There is disagreement over whether such features exist and whether a given feature is an essential component of truth or merely an external criterion for identifying it."
"and as a standard to which right conduct should conform by being responsive to how things actually are" → "and as a standard for right conduct, which should be responsive to how things actually are"
Image + source spotcheck should be coming in the next two weeks. I'm currently taking philosophy courses in college, so this is a perfect option for me. 🌙Eclipse (SMAAAASH!) 00:06, 14 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Alfred Tarski 1968 (as-is, cropped) (cropped).jpg: CC BY-SA 4.0. Pass.
What is truth.jpg: PD. Pass.
Liar paradox.svg: CC0/PD. Pass.
Pythagorean theorem2.svg: CC0/PD. Pass.
Al-Haqq.svg: CC0/PD. Pass.
Statue of Truth.jpg: CC BY 2.0. Pass.
1500-1200 BCE Rigveda, manuscript page sample i, Mandala 1, Hymn 1 (Sukta 1), Adhyaya 1, lines 1.1.1 to 1.1.9, Sanskrit, Devanagari.jpg: CC BY-SA 4.0, should be PD due to the age of the script IMO but that's a Commons matter.
Aristotle Altemps Inv8575.jpg: PD. Pass.
Wismar Marienkirche Bronzebüste Gottlob Frege (01-1).JPG: CC BY-SA 3.0. Pass.
Russell1907-2.jpg: PD. Pass.
DavidMArmstrong (cropped).jpg: CC BY-SA 3.0. Pass.
Courtesy pinging Phlsph7. I unfortunately will have to wait for Nelson 2018. It's not accessible in my college's databases, so I had to file an ILL request. Articles get emailed automatically within 3 days. 🌙Eclipse (SMAAAASH!) 01:05, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I appreciate the source review. Please let me know if you run into issues with the database request. I should have access to the source, so in this case, I probably could quote the relevant passages here. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
First point, quotation marks and punctuation placement. In this example the punctuation is inside the quote marks: "It's raining in Nairobi." Then, it is outside "Mount Everest is the highest mountain on Earth". Also, in the 'Snow is white' part, should there be no full stops/periods inside the quote marks, because it is referring to the sentences themselves rather than quoting them with their original punctuation?
"Monists argue that there is only a single kind of truthbearer". I wasn't familiar with the term 'monists' before, so I had to look it up. This should be glossed or linked. Similar to something you did in describing what Truthiness is... "a similar term, refers to the tendency to prioritize intuition and gut feelings over evidence and rational analysis"
"According to some suggestions, [...]" Who or what are making the suggestions?
I don't think that there is a single author or school of thought that we could identify as the source of this view. I rearranged the sentence to put the example of fuzzy logics first to make it more concrete. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"Bullshitting is a related phenomenon in which a speaker is indifferent to truth or falsehood". On Bullshit is linked here, instead of the broader, probably more expected page, Bullshit.
"A key motivation for the correspondence theory is its intuitive appeal and its ability to ground truth in objective reality. A key challenge is to clarify how exactly truths relate to facts". This is not a major problem, but both sentences begin with "A key", which is a bit repetitive.
"[...] which is employed to describe their truth conditions using so-called T-sentences. T-sentences have the form [...]" Looks like there is a repetition of the term. I recommend swapping the second 'T-sentences' to 'They' or something.
It would be possible. However, the danger is that it may confuse readers because "they" could also refer to "true sentences" and "truth conditions" in the previous sentence. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"showing them new perspectives, familiarizing them with alternative ways of life" These mean pretty much the same thing.
"Other paradoxes include the Curry paradox, the Russell-Myhill paradox, and Grelling's paradox" Two points to consider: "Curry's paradox" (with the apostrophe) is the more standard form (I think, based on looking up the paradox on Google) and "Grelling's paradox" could be linked to the article on the Grelling–Nelson paradox.
"Parmenides (fl. 5th century BCE) distinguished truth from opinion, associating truth with thought and being while contrasting it with non-being" You can use Template:Floruit here. Not everyone may know what "fl." means, so I think it would be helpful to clarify it for readers.
In my ongoing quest to oversaturate Wikipedia with Great Lakes maritime history, I am nominating this article for FAC. Since creating it in 2017 as an inexperienced teenager discovering Wikipedia for the first time, I have probably devoted more time to this article than any other. Researching and writing it has equally been both a true labour of love, and a test to my resolve and patience. I would love to see it reach the highest echelons of content this project has to offer.
A freighter built during the rapid advancement of marine technology on the Great Lakes, D. M. Clemson's short career was fascinating and troubled, culminating in an end which, to this day, remains one of the region's most enduring mysteries. Akaza[talk]18:23, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"lake freighter": I suggest to pipe "American" into it, because the link otherwise looks as going only generally to lake freighters. You know it's all about the Great Lakes, but someone uninitiated will not. - Also: how about getting "Great Lakes" in there, with a link. The link later in the prose comes a bit late.
I've linked Great Lakes in the opening sentence.
Why does this article about a very American topic use European date format?
This article has always used D/M/Y. Should that be addressed? I don't think it detracts from comprehension of the material.
Certainly not me, - I'm used to it;) - please, when replying in a threaded discussion, repeat whatever you reply to, - if a bullet, repeat the bullet, - there's an essay by a friend linked from my user page - look for asterisk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 21 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"On what was her final voyage of the year" - seems not the most elegant way to start a paragraph, and leaves open if it was planned to be her last of the year, - otherwise is seems to be her last ever.
Fixed.
I wonder if the accompanying freighter is needed in the leed.
Trimmed to remove this excessive detail.
"complement of 24" - unknown vocabulary to me, but that may be just me. If not, perhaps a link? Or a few more words about people who died?
Linked Ship's company. Per WP:SHIPSNOTCREWS, articles covering watercraft shouldn't devote excessive detail to the crew, barring any notable members. Also, in this case, we don't know too much about the crew.
can you please provide a link to hatch?
Done.
The long sentence beginning with "Initially believed ..." - I had to read it twice, - would a split perhaps help clarity?
Done
"since May 2025" - makes me curious, - without context, the year is information that seems not needed at this point.
Removed the superfluous info from lede.
Background
I don't think we need "Main: Lake freighters" which was linked in the first sentence.
Done.
I'd start the first sentence with the year, for history, and then "the first iron-hulled vessel", because otherwise it remains a mystery for too long why we hear about a gunship.
Done.
Design ...
How does the name and a gala (and did it happen or not?) fit under the header?
How about first construction, then launch?
Split detail of name and launch into its separate section.
"She was flush-decked, meaning indicating the lack ..." - what does "meaning indicating" mean?
Fixed. I presume this was the result of a past cleanup I failed to remove.
Service ...
"350 long tons (356 t) of her cargo was removed" - it's probably just me thinking tons were removed?
Clarified.
She is in docks, one sentence, and running aground the next, - surprise.
I've split this section into separate paragraphs to improve comprehension.
Final ...
"departed Ashtabula for Lorain, Ohio, arriving at the latter later that same day" - what is "at the latter" for?
Trimmed the sentence.
surprised that a link for "layup" goes to "In ordinary"
I have been advised in the past to link layup to that page. On the article itself, it stated vessels in layup are those out of service for repair or maintenance.
surprised also that there were two Chamberlain - missed that at night, could perhaps be said sooner?
To my knowledge, the two captains sharing a surname was nothing more than a coincidence. I don't think it's worth including earlier.
I thought you might just bring the name of the other vessel's captain sooner, but nothing urgent. --GA
Thank you for the quick changes and explanations! I support the article for FA per the prose. I'm not the person to go into the sources deeply, but admire your puzzle of all these newspaper bits. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 21 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Removed, with the exception of one in the cost note.
with metal becoming a material used in the construction of new hulls by the 1890s. – I assume this is trying to describe metal overtaking wood?
Fixed.
Frankly put, I think most of the context (prefabricated iron vessels, timber economics, advancements in shipyard technology, ore production, Wolvin's career) are very much incidental to the ship, which only really needs the immediate context. I would trim it down to A) the development of steel bulk freighters, B) the demand for ore transport, and C) Wolvin establishing the Provident fleet.
Trimmed.
which were longitudinally 9 feet (2.7 m) in depth – If I understand this correctly, suggest 9 feet (2.7 m) long fore and aft? Some jargon is unavoidable, but I think that we have a duty to make it as understandable as possible without sacrificing clarity. In this case, I can feel the vocabulary from 120 years ago crawling up into the prose.
Added clarification.
On the night of 27 November, D. M. Clemson departed Ashtabula, arriving in Lorain, Ohio, later that same day. – The following day, I presume?
All the sources point to the 27th being her time of arrival in Lorain. Prose modified for clarification.
30 hatch covers in discovered in the wreckage doesn't play well with the 25 hatches provided in ==Design and construction==.
For clarification, the hatch covers do not refer to single-piece units covering the entire opening, but rather a larger number of wooden planks. See this photo for example, where they are piled on the deck of a freighter.
becoming one of the most widely discussed mysteries of Lake Superior. – The two references attached to this are from 1972 and 1973, they're old enough that they can't establish contemporary importance.
Removed.
One piece of wreckage bore signs of an explosion. – What signs?
OK, Support. I haven't looked to much into the sourcing, but as a word of advice, I think old newspapers should be treated as primary rather than secondary sources. Stikkyy (talk) 21:42, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Phorusrhacos is one of the best-understood terror birds and is among the most recognizable members of the group. It is the name-bearer of Phorusrhacinae, Phorusrhacidae, and Phorusrhacoidea, and is an iconic extinct bird from the Miocene of Argentina. I believe that the article comprehensively covers the topic. The article underwent a comprehensive GAN-review by Jens Lallensack. Thanks for taking a look. AFH (talk) 16:52, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Prose: overall the prose complies with WP:FACR 1a: "engaging and of a professional standard". I see a few wording choices that perhaps could be improved, I'll point those out below.
Aesthetics: The article is attractive and has good illustrations.
Citations & Source: overall, the formatting is consistent and complies with MOS. I'll point out a few minor issues below.
I ran the Earwig CopyVio tool, and it was all green: no warnings.
Is this article using British or US English? I see "recognized" (US) and "meters" (US), but "centimetres" (UK). Uniformity is desired, although I understand some words are borderline (is recognized acceptable in UK these days?)
Done
Consider putting a language-variant tag inside the article at top to let future editors know e.g. {{Use American English}} or the British equivalent
Done
Technical term: The specific name means "very long" ... Lay readers will get confused by this: even if they click on the link. Is it possible to help them with a parenthetical gloss of "(longissimus)"?
Done
Ambiguity ... interest in the rich "Tertiary" (now Neogene) fossil sites of Argentina boomed ... Readers may wonder if that sentence is saying (a) geologists renamed the "Tertiary" period to "Neogene"; or (b) the statum that the bones were in was originally thought to be Tertiary, but later determined to be Neogene. Can the wording be tweaked to remove the ambiguity?
Done
MOS:SANDWICH may be a concern if two images are in a single section, and one is L and one is R, as in the Phorusrhacos#Skull section. Sandwiching depends on the specific device: it is a function of phone/desktop/iPad; the app (web browser vs WP app); the user's WP User Preference skin; etc. So, even though the nominator may not see sandwiching, some readers may still suffer from it. It is safest to keep all images within one section on the same side (all L or all R).
Done
File:Phorusrhacos_skull_composite.png - Nice image, looks like the nominator created it ... artist and writer! FYI: In Commons, image format SVG is strongly preferred over bitmaps like PNG/JPEG/TIF ... because future editors can easily change an SVG image (e.g. change a single color, or slightly change a graphic, or adjust a position, etc). This image format issue (SVG/PNG) is not a bar to FA status, of course, but if you created the image in SVG format, consider uploading the SVG to Commons instead of PNG ... ditto for any other images you created.
Done
To illustrate why SVG is superior: the image File:Karte Fossilfundstellen der Santa-Cruz-Formation.jpg used in the article has German text, which is not ideal for English WP article (Note: I'm not suggesting the language issue is a concern for this FA nomination) ... that image is in JPEG format; if it were in SVG format, anyone could spend 5 minutes with the InkScape app and create a 2nd version of that image with English text.
My drawing program does not have .svg
Accessibility: To support color-blind users of WP, MOS:COLOR says "Color should not be used as the sole visual means of conveying information...". I'm not doing an image review, but the image reviewer may insist that the image File:Phorusrhacos_skull_composite.png be amended by placing textual letters over the colors (e.g. "A", "B", "C, "D") in the legend and the image itself, so color-blind readers can match them up.
Done
Image File:Phorusrhacos_skull_composite.png - Why are there 3 bars in lower right corner? I see one indicates 10 cm, but what are the other two for?
How big each specimen is, each bar is 10 cm they're just scaled to each specimen.
Hmmm, I'm still confused. In the upper part of image File:Phorusrhacos_skull_composite.png is a complete skull diagram: that diagram can have only a single scale, correct? That diagram includes pieces from 3 specimens: but if each specimin were drawn with a unique scale, they would not fit together snugly into a single diagram. It seems like the entire image can and should have only one scale bar. Noleander (talk) 11:56, 14 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Wording In 1889, Ameghino published a detailed monograph on Argentine fossil mammals, including Phorusrhacos. Here, he went into greater detail ... Can the word "Here" be eliminated? or improved? Some readers may think "here" refers to "this WP article".
Done
Wording ... a group of predominantly large, predatory flightless birds commonly known as... Normally "predominantly" applies to a single attribute, but there are 3 attributes follow the word. Does "predominantly" apply to all three of those attributes? Only one? Consider re-wording to reduce confusion. Maybe remove tbe word "predominantly" and explain the subtleties (e.g. "not all were predatory" or whatever) lower in the body text.
Done
Caption Portrait of Florentino Ameghino, the describer of Phorusrhacos. Consider eliminating "Portrait of". Ditto other caption.
Done
Wording In 1888, Moreno briefly mentioned that "large birds" had been found in.... (a) can "briefly" be deleted? (b) Does "large bird" need to be in quotes? Normally quotes are only used for special or unique phrasings used by the source; for plain words you can re-state 1- or 2-word phrases without WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASING worries.
Done
Inconsistent vertical image alignment: When images are placed at the top of a subsection, sometimes they are below the subsection title (e.g. Phorusrhacos#American_expeditions), but other times they are at the same vertical line with the top of the sec title (e.g Phorusrhacos#Revision). Consistency suggests that they all should use the same alignment (for those images at the top of subsections). I believe the MOS prefers such "top" images to be placed just under the subsection title as in Phorusrhacos#American_expeditions. See MOS:SECTIONLOC which says "The first image of a section should be placed below any hatnote (typically a navigational hatnote in the form of {{Main}}, {{Further}} and {{See also}} templates). Do not place an image at the end of the previous section as this will not be visible in the appropriate section on mobile devices."
Done
Topology 1 and Topology 2 cladograms: are not fully displayed: slider bars appear, and user cannot see the full diagram. I suppose this imperfect display is used because these two cladograms are superseded by the later "analysis by Agnolín and colleagues (2025)" cladogram which is the latest, so it gets a full (non-slider) display. I've got a large monitor, and even with that I cannot see the full cladoogram of #1 or #2: which is very unsatisfying. Is there any way to let readers see the full cladogram of #1 and #2? E.g. a thumbnail/zoom technique? Or make them fully displayed w/o slider? These sliders are not a bar to fA status, but it is possible to improve it, consider doing so.
I'm a little unsure of what this means and how to go about this.
Apologies for no being clear. The section Phorusrhacos#Taxonomy contains three cladograms: the bottom cladogram (2025) is perfect. The upper two (2011, 2015) are not ideal: they are not fully displaying on my device: both of them appear only partly visible, with horizontal scroll bars below them. Do you see scroll bars on your display? Some readers may want to see those two upper cladograms without scroll bars. It is hard to appreciate or study a cladaogram if it is partly visible. Even when I stretch my web browser really wide the horiz. sliders never go away. I'm suggesting that you investigate to see if there is some way to display the full cladograms. As a last resort, you could display both of them fully, same as the 2025 cladogram ... but that might mean you cannot display them side-by-side (so the section would become taller). That is a difficult trade off. What do other FA-quality articles with multiple cladograms do? Are sliders common for cladograms in FA articles? I don't recall seeing silders before. Noleander (talk) 11:56, 14 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Wording ... was joined by the American Museum of Natural History on the last ... : consider was joined by a team from the American Museum of Natural History on the last ...
Done
Wording ... collecting a trove of new fossil bird ... Is a better phrasing available? "Trove" is something one finds. But after two teams collect a bunch of items and give it to a museum, it is no longer a trove. Consider The teams excavated a trove of ... or ... excavated a collection of new fossil ... or altogether collecting a large amount of new fossil bird and mammal material. etc.
Done
Image license: File:Phorusrhacos sehuensis holotype NHMUK.jpg - This is not an image review, but in the spirit of making the future image review go more smoothly, the image's page in Commons says license is CC-4, but the source URL says "License CC0-1.0". That disconnect should be resolved. Also: ideally the "Description" text in the Common pages should quote any license/CC information from the source URL ... not only to help readers, but also if the source URL changes in the future (e.g. URL becomes dead, or they change the license type) you want to capture the license as it was on the day you uploaded the image to Commons!! Could mean the difference between the image getting deleted or retained in the future.
Done
Wording? Litopterns such as Theosodon (depicted), were possible prey items for Phorusrhacos I've never heard the phrase "prey items" before. Consider the simpler "prey", unless "prey items" carries a special meaning
Done
Cite uniformity: some ISBNs have hyphens, some do not. Should be al the same.
Will do
Mysterious source: Ameghino, Florentino (1899). "Sinopsis geológico-paleontológica. Suplemento (Adiciones y correciones)". La Plata: 13p. I cannot tell what that is: a book? A monograph? Is there any URL that you can supply to let readers track down this source and learn more about it? Maybe some index in a library? And what does "13p" represent? 13 pages? I've never seen the number of pages displayed like that in a citation before, but I guess it is harmless.
As far as I can tell, it was simply a supplemental article. I can't find much information on the paper or the paper itself.
If there is no URL available and you got that source thru unusual means (e.g. email to a librarian), consider adding those instructions into the citation as a textual note after the closing double brace }} .... such notes are acceptable. The goal is to give readers (and reviewers) a way to read the original source (e.g. for the FAC source review). Noleander (talk) 11:56, 14 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I did not read the source itself, it is just credited as the paper where that species was named. This is traditional for a lot of descriptions of species in WikiPaleo pages. AFH (talk) 14:33, 20 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Same for Mercerat, Alcides (1893). "Note sur la géologie de Patagonie: Buenos Aires" [Note on the geology of Patagonia: Buenos Aires]. Helvetia (in Spanish): 6p. Any URL available? Readers will want breadcrumbs to find what you read.
Same issue as with article above
Source has a warning: "Generally unreliable"Cost, Ian N. (22 August 2020). "Extinct Animal of the Week: The Name of Many Terrors". Extinct Animal of the Week. Retrieved 30 May 2026. Such "Generally unreliable" warnings can be ignored provided the source is essential to the article, and there is no superior (more reliable) source available. Or: If you have examined the publisher & author and found the warning to be a false positive.
Done
Use of "location" field in book sources is inconsistent: 4 use it; 2 do not. Ideally all or none use "location"
Done, I believe
Author formatting: last1=Federico J. Degrange, Drew Eddy, Pablo Puerta, & Julia Clarke Kinda abusing the "last1" attribute there:-) It is causing a warning to be displayed when I run a cite-check tool. Can that be improved? Consider using "author" or multiple last/first pairs?
Done
Not a big deal, but I was looking for a "Taxonomy" section in the Table of Contents, and did not see it. The section I was looking for [the section containing the latest cladogram] is named "Classification" .. is that section name following a convention for paleontology articles?
Done
I gotta say, the assortment of images is really, really nice: Informative, attractive, laid-out in a pleasing manner. Good work.
Nested quotes should use single quote on interior pair:
""Terror Birds" (Phorusrhacidae) from the Eocene of Europe Imply Trans-Tethys Dispersal"
Done
"List of generic terms proposed for birds during the years 1890 to 1900, inclusive, to which are added names omitted by Waterhouse in his "Index Generum Avium""
Done
Both should use quote marks like this: "aa aaa aa 'bbb bb' aaa aaa"
Sorry for the delay in implementing many of these suggestions. I will be able to get to the rest of them within the next few days. AFH (talk) 13:02, 23 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Only got through the first two history subsections so far, but unfortunately I have to say they they need a lot of work.
Most of these aren't problems, but there's some structure and big picture things that I think could be altered to better tell the story of the feud:
I feel a bit of a disconnect in how the sentence This included exploration by two teams of Argentine paleontologists: Florentino and Carlos Ameghino, who operated independently, and Francisco Pascasio Moreno and Alcides Mercerat of the Museo de La Plata (MLP). introduces this as a four person story, but it plays out much more like a two-person conflict with two side characters (which is how Buffetaut tells it). This causes some ambiguity when the competition section starts using "Ameghino" to refer to Florentino when there's two Ameghino brothers in the story. It's not hard to figure out, but I think it'd all read clearer if Florentino and Moreno are introduced first and Carlos and Mecerat are clearly framed as secondary figures.
Implemented
I also think that introducing the brothers as independents in that sentence reads awkwardly, as the next few sentences start back at them being employed at the museum and restate them going independent. I'd just start chronologically with them working at the museum.
Implemented
I think it'd help the flow if you combined the "at the same time as..." and "In 1891, Moreno and..." paragraphs. Moreno organising expeditions and then describing the remains found there in 1891 are directly connected concepts, which didn't occur to me on the first reading due to a paragraph break.
Implemented
Paragraph two on the naming of Phorusrhacos immediately follows us being told that the Ameghinos went independent. But in the timeline, these events are the other way around. The dates are provided, but I totally missed the fact this happened while he was still at the museum on my first reading.
Implemented
Mecerat is stated by Buffetaut to have been hired as a replacement for Florentino, which I think would be a nice bit of added context rather than him just being another random guy in the narrative.
Implemented
Purely a subjective suggestion, but I'd split up these sections differently. The second is called "competition", but said competition begins in the prior section. I'd throw the whole Ameghino/Moreno affair under a "Discovery and competition" section, itself split into "Initial misidentification" and "Reinterpretation as a bird"; the first paragraph of the current "competition" section would move to the first subsection, as it clearly belongs with the other naming information rather than the following four.
Implemented
Some details, I think, need some expansion or are missing:
Buffetaut contextualises the story, saying that Patagonian fossils were first found by Darwin but largely ignored until Moreno founded the La Plata museum and then hired Ameghino. You don't need more than a sentence or two, but I think it makes for a great foundation for the debacle. Saying the Argentinian boom "included" Moreno and Ameghino really feels like underselling things!
Implemented
The article doesn't state that Ameghino loses access to the museum collections are his falling out with Moreno. Obviously the reader should be able to intuit this, but seeing as it's a major motivator of his activities from that point I think it should be mentioned outright.
Implemented
until 1967, when American paleontologist Pierce Brodkorb corrected its use.[19]: 162-163 - Buffetaut's paper on Phororhacoidea goes on to explain an entire ICZN petition trying and failing to give priority to Phororhacos following this paper. Saying that it ended cleanly in 1967 is therefore very misleading and the ICZN action is surely notable enough to go over.
Implemented. Gave it a solid paragraph.
Fairly passive terminology is used to describe Moreno/Mecerat 1891's correction of Florentino's Phorusrhacos identification, and likewise for Florentino's response to that paper. In Buffetaut's telling, both responses are explained as quite personal and aggressive. I'd make this more clear.
Will do. Do you have any specific parts that are too passive?
Likewise, though the article states that Florentino incorrectly credits Carlos for first recognizing giant Patagonian birds Buffetaut makes it quite clear there was a deliberate, concerted attempt to actively discredit Moreno and Mecerat's claim to the accomplishment; I'd rephrase it in that light.
Implemented
I'd probably include at least one sentence about the publication date spat mentioned in Buffetaut's paper.
Implemented
Even though this isn't an article about Florentino, I think the conclusion of his story is a bit too sudden. The motivations for him selling his fossil bird collection (financial difficulties and more interest in mammals, per Buffetaut) seem worth mentioning; him regretting the sale later could also be thrown in, though I don't think it's necessary.
Implemented
The fates of Carlos and Mecerat aren't acknowledged in the article, but explanations are available in the Buffetaut and Hospitaleche citations. I'd probably give a sentence to it, but if you feel their roles are too minor for this to be necessary that's fair.
Implemented
A few small details and bits of prose feedback:
The history section says Ameghino reclassified Tolmodus as a synonym of Phorusrhacos, but the species section below says Andrews did this. Was this done independently by both authors, or is there a mistake here?
Implemented; was done by both independently
Ameghino went on to claim that Carlos was the first to recognize the existence of giant birds in the Tertiary of South America in 1891,[2] when in actuality Moreno had in 1889. - Moreno recognized this in 1888, as you stated earlier. Buffetaut does mention both an 1888 and 1889 publication on the subject, but obviously the 1888 one was the first recognition.
Implemented
In 1888, Moreno mentioned that fossils of large birds had been found in Monte Hermoso by these expeditions. The next year, he classified them as belonging to two new genera of lamellirostral web-footed birds: Mesembriornis and Palaeociconia.[10][22] Though these fossils do not belong to Phorusrhacos.[5][21] - starting the second sentence here with "though" reads quite awkwardly to me. I'd rearrange this, saying that although they do not represent Phorusrhacos they first demonstrated the existence of giant birds in Patagonia. This first recognition is given importance later in the section, but not when it actually happens here
Implemented; the fossils of Mesembriornis studeri actually come from Phorusrhacos.
They named several genera and species, such as Owenornis and Stereornis, based on fragmentary material. Furthermore, they placed these taxa in the now-defunct order Stereornithes - the "placed" phrasing gave me the impression that Stereornithes was a preexisting group they put these taxa in. I'd say they named or erected the group Stereornithes to contain the new taxa (Hospitaleche can be cited for this).
Implemented
In 1895, Florentino described the mandible in detail and noted the discovery of the fragmented skull, including an illustration. - this is the only time in the competition section you use "Florentino" instead of "Ameghino"; it should be consistent with the rest.
Implemented
While I don't expect much detail on synonyms when they have their own section, I'd mention what Tolmodus was based on if you're going to dedicate a sentence to it anyways.
Implemented
Most concerningly, I take a number of issues with use of and consistency with sources:
Buffetaut's source should be cited way more. It's common to need to use primary sources for history in palaeontology as secondary ones just don't exist, but given the perfect one does exist in this case it should be slapped on every applicable sentence in this section. It's more complete and less biased then the primary sources.
Done
Their discoveries comprised thousands of fossils from Cenozoic fossil deposits throughout Patagonia and central Argentina.[6][7][8] - do the provided primary sources say this? It sounds like something you'd only get from a secondary source after the fact.
Done, added later sources that go over the discoveries by the two
The descriptions produced by Florentino were short, vague, and sought to establish priority for new taxa before his competitor, Moreno, could. - this appears to be unsourced; the next citation, the 2019 skull paper, says nothing about this. It's also incorrect, as while the 1887 descriptions were very preliminary he was still working for Moreno at this point and so was not his competitor (see aforementioned issue about the chronology and paragraph two). Buffetaut speculates he may have already been falling out with Moreno and this motivated him to establish priority quickly, but that's quite a bit different from what you're claiming here.
Done
Despite this, Phororhacos continued to be used for decades[18][20] - citation 20, published in 1899, cannot possibly be used to support this statement.
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Following its discovery, Ameghino gave a comprehensive description of Phorusrhacos and corrected his previous error by classifying it as a bird. - this directly states he changed his mind following the skull and heavily implies causality, but according to Buffetaut the timing is uncertain and he only presents the skull as a plausible catalyst for it.
Done
In 1895 and 1896, Ameghino and Moreno sold much of their respective fossil collections to the Natural History Museum of London.[5] - Buffetaut (your only citation here) makes no mention of Moreno selling his collection. Given Moreno's collection was that of the museum, I'm pretty sure this is just wrong. Instead you should mention Moreno leaving the museum due to its incorporation into the university, which Buffetaut identifies as his exit from the story.
Done
Many European naturalists did not study Ameghino's or Moreno's taxa, especially their phorusrhacids, on account of their confusing taxonomy.[1] - this is highly liberal source use of a primary source. Lydekker isn't objectively documenting a phenomenon of Europeans ignoring their taxa, he's insulting them in a flowery fashion. He most certainly never says they especially ignore their phorusrhacids, merely comparing them to Argentinian mammal taxonomy being "disheartening" and "repulsive" to European students. Either cut this sentence entirely or present a better citation for it.
Done
I'm not going to oppose right away without giving the chance to work out these issues, but I have significant reservations that this article is at Featured Article level if this section is representative of the article as a whole. Many of these issues are minor, but they add up and both the several counts of misrepresenting sources and completely missing ICZN case are both major red flags. LittleLazyLass (Talk|Contributions) 20:21, 24 October 2026 (UTC)reply
This was definitely the hardest part of the article to write and was not representative of the rest of the article, in my opinion. I redid and drafted this section several times and had some difficulty working with Spanish sources. I will implement these suggestions and try to improve the factual integrity of this part of the article. AFH (talk) 14:47, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I wrote much of this article and first proposed it for the golden star two years ago, when I was a young brat. As an old brat, I have thoroughly revised it and passed it through a brief peer review. I think it's ready for another go. DannyRogers800 (talk) 16:17, 7 October 2026 (UTC)reply
File:"Marching_Through_Georgia"_by_Henry_C._Work_–_sung_by_Harlan_&_Stanley_(1904).ogg is missing author dates of death, and the given tag indicates that it "should not be used for sound recordings"
I found another tag that serves the same purpose but applies to sound recordings. Also, the author dates of death are now mentioned, both of which are well over seventy years in advance of the present date. DannyRogers800 (talk) 01:23, 8 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Find evidence that the author of the lyrics is anonymous. By commons:Template:PD-South Korea-anon, South Korean copyrights of anonymous works expire 70 years after publication. If the lyrics were published before 1956, they are public domain in South Korea. Per commons:Template:PD-China-expired, Chinese copyrights of anonymous works expire 50 years after publication. If published before 1976, the lyrics are public domain in China.
Find evidence that the lyrics were published before 1931. All works published before 1931 are public domain in the US per commons:Template:PD-US.
@41Dinar: Sounds like something the nominator should do if they want to specifically include a Korean cover of an 1865 American Civil War–era song (which doesn't seem necessary to me). Also who are you and why are you editing on a brand new account? Yue🌙 (talk) 21:06, 21 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Hello, Yue. I don't think I can really be bothered to do all this for a snippet of audio, and in any event, I can't understand Korean. It won't take much to remove it from the article if we can't find a solution. DannyRogers800 (talk) 14:58, 22 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I'll focus my comments to the military history element of this article, which is what I'm best placed to comment on:
"Sherman, who had just captured Atlanta,[22] decided to pursue the coastal city of Savannah with a unit of 62,000 troops" - the grammar is off here, and this is not professional quality writing as it needlessly over-simplifies things (how the decision to march for Savannah was made and what the Union army comprised)
I added some more detail but I don't think it's quite enough. When this article underwent a peer review, a few months back, someone suggested I prune the section on the march itself considerably.
The other two paras in this section are much better.
Thank you.
"became Sherman's unofficial theme song" - theme song seems a modern term and concept that is unlikely to have applied to Sherman
I replaced this with "became closely associated with Sherman".
""Marching Through Georgia" does not share the same popularity in the nation's other half" - this applies Civil War era geography to the modern US, which seems rather meaningless given many of the current states didn't exist then
Yes, I just wrote "the South" instead.
The examples given to support the song's supposed dire reputation in the modern south are all over 100 years old. Does this still represent modern views given that views of the Confederacy have evolved a lot over time? (for instance, how is it perceived by African Americans in the South given the March to the Sea helped destroy slavery?) Nick-D (talk) 09:59, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The trouble is that those are the most recent examples I could find. Wherever possible, I've made it clear that the South has traditionally disliked the song.
I don't think that the wording, which is generally in the current tense across the article, communicates that. I've commented on this further below. Nick-D (talk) 10:01, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Hello Nick-D! I feel honoured to have an enthusiast (or, unless I'm mistaken, an expert) of military history look at my little article, and of course, I agree with pretty much everything you've said. But I'll talk in more length tomorrow, after I've gotten my dose of sleep. DannyRogers800 (talk) 16:41, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
To be more helpful here, I'll have a crack at a full review:
The first sentence (or at least the first para) of the lead should include the date this song was written
" Its reputation has also floundered in the South" - I'm a bit doubtful about presenting this as a current fact without a specific source attesting to this - the most recent source cited for this statement is 31 years old
"Marching Through Georgia" was his most fruitful work yet" - the grammar is a bit off here, and this seems unclear. I suspect that you could omit this sentence, or move it elsewhere.
"Work does not write" - should be in past tense
The sentence starting with 'Edwin Tribble opines that' is rather complex and could be split into two sentences
"Accordingly, Sigmund Spaeth advises readers not to sing or play Work's composition to a Southerner" - this dates from 1948 but is being used to support a statement from a 1995 work
"Three incidents at Democratic National Conventions illustrate Georgia's contempt for the song" - as above, this is ancient history and needs to be reworked to present it as such. Race relations and views of the Confederacy were obviously very different back then.
Note h should be integrated into the body of the article
From looking for recent additional sources, the Google Books excerpt indicates that this book has some material about black musicians using the song to mock whites and this article notes that a Georgian audience was receptive to the song in the 1970s, putting this in the context of changing views towards the Confederacy in this period (the latter is from a student but peer reviewed journal, so might be marginal as a reliable source, but seems illustrative). Nick-D (talk) 09:53, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Nick-D I think I've addressed everything, except that I can't access the first book you mentioned. See what you feel about my treatment of the song's reputation in the South. DannyRogers800 (talk) 22:58, 21 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Support Sorry for my slow response here. I've read over the changes to the article, and my comments are now addressed. Nice work with this article - I found it very interesting. Nick-D (talk) 04:07, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
"perhaps more so than those of any other songwriter", observes The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians" I think you may be missing a start to this quote
It's a close paraphrase. I removed the lone quotemark.
"stemming from his time spent on the Underground Railroad as a child." I think this is somewhat confusing without further context (namely: it's not immediately clear in what context he was "on" the railroad, and even less clear to a reader who doesn't know what the UR was), and would suggest a phrasing more explicit that mentions that his childhood home was a station on the railroad and his father a participant
Good suggestion..... see what you think now.
"Marching Through Georgia" was his most fruitful work yet." is fruitful really the best word to use here? I'm not sure I grasp what meaning you are intending to impart with this sentence.
I changed this to "successful", which is what the sources mean.
Can we find a source published this century to support "Work's composition remains the best known"?
Probably not. I made it clear that Silber was writing in 1995, the time of the dinosaurs.
I would attribute the 100 million damages figure to Sherman, which is where it seems to originate.
Done that.
"Notably, it underrepresents their number as 50,000, when over 60,000 took part in the march" I'm having trouble seeing what is "notable" about this?
Two writers have went out of their way to comment on it. I can remove it, but that would breaks up the flow of an otherwise choppy paragraph.
"as one of the few songs narrating a whole campaign" few songs from the civil war? Few songs ever?
Well, Bowman says: "Since it is one of the rare songs covering an entire campaign ...". I think he means it is one of the only songs ever published in the history of humankind to discuss a whole campaign, but it's hard to say that he's exaggerating. Which other popular song narrates a whole campaign from start to end?
Your link to campaign song doe not seem correct to me
You're right.
Would you be able to send the relevant passages from Bowman for the paragraph beginning "The music historian Kent A. Bowman " to me, over email or just by pasting the paragraph here? I'm having some trouble with it but would like to see what he says before suggesting anything.
Here you go:
Work’s “Marching Through Georgia” (see appendix) was one of the North’s favorite late war tunes, and its popularity rapidly spread beyond America and the Civil War. It is one of the finest Civil War campaign songs and the only one written by a major war-song composer. The song was Work’s celebration and vindication of Sherman’s monumental march to the port of Savannah and beyond. Since it is one of the rare songs covering an entire campaign, a bit of background will show the omission of important details in the song and will describe the belief northerners held in their cause.
In 1864 Sherman took command of the Union armies he was to lead through Atlanta and ultimately to the sea. The purposes of the march were to destroy the will of the South to fight and at the same time eliminate communications and supply lines between the lower Confederate states and Lee’s forces. Sherman’s army of sixty-two thousand was to proceed through Georgia from Atlanta to Savannah, foraging for supplies and destroying anything of military value that could not be carried or used. The railroads were a prime target of destruction, and Sherman’s soldiers rendered them inoperable. Sherman’s army cut a sixty-mile-wide path from Atlanta to the coast. When Savannah was captured at Christmas in 1865, Sherman presented the city as a gift to Lincoln. Sherman’s march continued, and it was a signal that the end was near for the dying Confederacy.
Work’s “Marching Through Georgia,” like most battle songs, telescopes the action of the campaign. The song contains some putative facts, some oblique references, and at least one important omission. Neither does the piece specifically mention any of the battles of the campaign nor does it discuss any of Sherman’s strategies or tactics. None of the participants, except Sherman, is mentioned by name.
While it is true that the “darkeys shouted” and were joyful when they saw the liberating armies, it is distinctly contrary to fact that the army the freed slaves followed was “fifty thousand strong.” Sherman’s army numbered approximately twelve thousand more men than the song claims for it. It is barely probable that “there were Union men who wept with joyful tears” when they saw the determined invaders. If, indeed, there were Union men there at the time, it is likely that they were few and quiet. The “turkeys” [onto page 137] and “sweet potatoes” Work mentions might have existed, but not in unlimited quantities. Sherman’s foragers, however, did keep his army supplied with food.
The assertion that “Treason fled” implies that more than the Confederate army retreated before the powerful Union forces. Perhaps here Work intends “treason” to stand for the idea of secession. Also implicit in these words is the downfall of an evil cause, defeated by a just and righteous one. There is a missionary zeal in this phrase and in the line “resistance was in vain.” The powers of right, at least in Work’s mind and in the minds of kindred souls in the North, had assumed unquestionable supremacy.
I'he line “Sherman’s dashing Yankee boys will never reach the coast” flings in the face of the Confederacy the failed strategy of Hood to either defeat the Union force or turn Sherman from his goal. This “handsome boast” must surely have been on the lips and in the hopes of many southerners, both soldiers and civilians. Grant called Jefferson Davis’ strong remarks regarding the fate of any Union force attempting the conquest of the South a “boasted threat.”
Work’s most blatant omission, and one that any Union supporter might overlook, is the possibility that Sherman’s soldiers stole private property and committed acts of depredation beyond the call of duty. Southern observations on the conduct of Sherman’s troops are plentiful and, if exaggerated on occasion, without doubt true to some extent. Whether Work knew or approved of these actions is uncertain; if he did, he—wisely from a propaganda standpoint—omitted the least mention of them from his song.
Of Work’s melodic effort to promote the cause of the Union in his name, Sherman remarked in 1890, in an angry reference to the influence of “Marching Through Georgia,” “If I had thought when I made that march that it would have inspired anyone to compose such a piece, I would have marched around the state.” Sherman’s businesslike approach to war made him disdainful of any accolades for his work. Work’s publisher and friend, George Root, probably would have been dismayed by such a detour since he believed that “Marching Through Georgia” was a fine song, fit for soldiers and similar groups. The effect of “Marching Through Georgia” on the South was one of lasting enmity. As late as 1916, when it was struck up at the Democratic National Convention, it caused a stir among the southerners. Not surprisingly, many southerners were inclined to leave the assembly. Its melodic power carried over into World War I and II, however, where it was used as a marching song.
In general, I'd like to see quotes from historical figures given some sort of date or context. I'm specifically referring to the quote of McCray, which is from 1898, but there may be other examples of this. Lowden is probably another.
You're right about Lowden. All I did is indicate the year of writing in brackets, a rather sloppy, shaggy half-measure but the best I can think of. Also, I don't think McCray needs a date attached to her; opinions about the song's message or quality are affected greatly by the time, but those on meter and rhythm probably aren't.
"mirrored by the short-lasting fame of "Tramp! Tramp! Tramp!", an anthem well known among Northerners that nonetheless left the spotlight after 1865." I'm curious why you choose to call out this specific song when you could presumably have chosen any number. What does an example really add here?
That's the example Root mentions. If you want, I can make it clear that this is Root's argument, and Root was the one who wrote "Tramp! Tramp! Tramp!".
Do we have any information on when Work might have written the song? Anything about what he might have been thinking?
I've looked through so many texts and book chapters and articles and even newspaper reports on this obscure whiskered composer. My answer is no. Maybe another person's answer is different.
"illustrate Georgia's contempt for the song" can we qualify this somewhat out of the present tense, seeing as all of these examples are over a century ago.
It now reads "Georgia's past contempt for the song".
Can you find anymore recent references of the song in general? My impression from the broader statements that you make in this article is that the song has had enduring popularity to this day, but hardly any examples given are from the more recent side of the 20th century, to say nothing of the 21st.
That's the trouble.... there's not many modern books on the music of the Civil War. If you know of any, please tell me, but the bibliography of this article (and of the article on Henry Work) is very nearly the bibliography of texts about Civil War music. I mean, Wikipedia's article on the music of that time is as old as the battlefields on which the war was fought.
"first time in 1853,[3] and eight years later, when the American Civil War broke out" could we get the year instead, for us non-Americans not so familiar with this war? The exact time between is less important.
Link Union in the article body as well.
"stemming from his upbringing on the Underground Railroad" while I know what the Underground Railroad was, I have no idea what "upbringing on" means in this context.
Not a big deal, but could be considered, it is recommended that the subjects of photos should face towards the text, but your first photo now faces away from it.
Being a pretty short article, some of the footnotes seem like they could easily be incorporated into the main text. For example footnote B seems important enough for context, and note A says "it was only until the tremendous success of his first war song … that he began to take his composing seriously", which makes me wonder what that first song was, and that it could be named in the text. Maybe the two footnotes are talking about the same song? Either way, it is unclear now.
Hello, FunkMonk! I've done all these changes, save for the last one. If I remember well, I was told to trim the background section in a previous nomination or peer review and so I fear stretching it out any more. The contents of note B seems like technicalities to me, and note A is a biographical detail. I can always take them out of the notes space at your insistence, however. And thanks to your suggestion, I have marked the name of this "first war song" now. DannyRogers800 (talk) 14:48, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Changes look good (I'm skeptical that such a short article needs much trimming, but no big deal), perhaps Hog Farm would also be interested in reviewing, being one of our few regular writers of American civil war articles. FunkMonk (talk) 02:26, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
I've done the rest, but the postwar writer is not named in the source. I added the timespan of the Russo-Japanese War.... should I do the same for the Second World War? DannyRogers800 (talk) 10:59, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Carl Zoll, the son of a stonecutter, was one of three brothers active in Green Bay, Wisconsin, sports, and competed professionally in both wrestling and football. He was a heavyweight wrestler and one of the best in the region, claiming the state title from 1917 to 1921 while also staying undefeated the first two years of his career. At the peak of his career, Zoll contended for the World Light Heavyweight Championship. Also a football player, he was part of the first Green Bay Packers team in 1919. Zoll played in one NFL game for the Packers, a distinction held by both his brothers as well. Since the last nomination, we have significantly copyedited the article and introduced new sources to try to address prior concerns. We hope that Zoll will be able to achieve FA status this time. Thanks, «Gonzo fan2007(talk) and BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:46, 7 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Hi Gonzo fan2007 and BeanieFan11, happy to do the image review. It didn't work out with the last nomination, so let's hope for a better outcome this time. I don't think much has changed relating to the images. The article contains the following images:
This article is about a 1930s-era house in southeastern Wisconsin. It was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright for the family of Herbert Fisk Johnson Jr., the president of S.C. Johnson, who also commissioned a headquarters building from Wright. Since 1961, it has been a conference facility operated by the Johnson Foundation. The house was among the last Prairie style houses he designed, at a time when he had moved on to the Usonian style. It's a typical Wright design, with design features such as a central hub with four wings radiating from it, along with an emphasis on horizontal design details.
This page was promoted to Good Article status last year after a GA review by LEvalyn. After some additional copy edits and expansions, I think it's up to FA quality now, and I look forward to all comments and feedback. Epicgenius (talk) 18:00, 6 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Epicgenius: I've taken a look and made a few revisions to the prose.
While I am busy this week with schoolwork and other commitments, I might return to do a full review later. Good luck with the nomination. MSincccc (talk) 03:32, 7 October 2026 (UTC)reply
it was built between 1938 and 1939 ==> "it was built in 1938 and 1939"
I changed it to "from 1938 to 1939" to emphasize that the year range is inclusive. "In 1938 and 1939", to me, would be better for multiple structures built in 1938 and in 1939. - EG
It was hosting 100 conferences a year suggests it was hosting exactly this number of conferences a year, when the article body states it "hosted up to 100 conferences a year"
Done. - EG
Would "mezzanine" be worth linking?
Done. - EG
site
No problems here
architecture
Present tense is used for the preceding sentences, but this one uses past tense: "The radiating wings contrasted with"
Fixed - Johnson Wax still exists, too. - EG
in which separate rooms appeared to blend with one another "with one another" is redundant
Removed. - EG
Wright referred to the living room as a "wigwam", given how the chimney's rooftop I think this would work better as "Wright referred to the living room as a "wigwam", as the chimney's rooftop"
Done. - EG
while the fifth fireplace is on the mezzanine level per above, would "mezzanine" be worth linking?
Done. - EG
history
Legend has it that a white dove perched on the house before flying away, foreshadowing the fact that "the young mistress will never live in this house".[9][56] is this part needed? I don't know, it feels kind of trivial
Yeah, you're right. I removed it. - EG
Johnson's children were initially hesitant to move to the house but eventually became fond of it; Sam likened it to a spaceship.[52] Sam Johnson recalled that, after the family moved to Wind Point, "I thought my friends would never find me, but they would all get on their bikes and come out here and we'd have a wonderful time." Should "Sam Johnson" be changed to "He" as he's mentioned in the last sentence?
Done. - EG
Among the modifications that did take place were the addition of restrooms,[31][33] the conversion of the garage into offices, and the conversion of the playroom into a conference room. ==> "Among the modifications were the addition of restrooms and the conversions of the garage into offices and the playroom into a conference room."
Done, with slightly different wording. - EG
Paffrath continued to lead Wingspread and the Johnson Foundation until 1980,[118] at which point University of Oregon president I would change "at which point" to "when"
Done. - EG
conferences were moved to an outbuilding called the House "the" in "the House" is not capitalized here but is in the "Site" section. I assume they refer to the same "House"?
Indeed they do. I fixed it. - EG
management
Should "Johnson Foundation" be bolded? I'm not really sure about the rules surrounding bolding
The word "writer" is used quite a lot in the "Reception" section. Maybe some could be replaced with "critic" or "journalist"?
Done. - EG
said in 2011 that "On a bright and warm "On" should be lowercase
Done. - EG
Its hearth and oversized chimney inspired that in another house on Kiawah Island, South Carolina.[171] and the Museum of Modern Art in New York owns an architectural model of the building.[172] I think the first full stop should be a comma?
Done. - EG
@Epicgenius: that's all I got, thanks for the article (feel free to reject suggestions with justification). I have an open FAC for a Mariah Carey song, which would appreciate a review if you can. Best, 750h+15:27, 15 October 2026 (UTC)reply
There is a "crow's nest", a glass observatory above the chimney... link to crow's nest?
Done. - EG
"..and has pink walls that give the appearance of disappearing into the pool..." I cannot grasp what that means. Can wording be tweaked to make it more understandable?
I proposed a better wording. - EG
Better link? ... room had a phonograph system produced by the Seeburg Corporation ... Consider changing link to phonograph system linking to jukebox, if the sources support it.
Done. - EG
Clarify: The fireplace could accommodate one 12-foot-long (3.7 m) log, which had to be hung vertically; the logs tended to fall over after their bottoms had burned.
I'm not sure what " had to be hung vertically" is suggesting: is it impossible to use the fireplace in the normal fashion, which small logs laying horizontally?
The word "hung" means it was suspended from the top of the log; if so: How could it fall over when the bottom burned? That only makes sense if the log was simply placed vertically, resting on its base.
I changed the wording to remove "hung". But yes, unlike a normal fireplace, the log has to be placed vertically - you can see an image of it here. - EG
Clarify: The domed observatory and Karen Johnson's balcony-level sleeping area were added at the request of Johnson's children. Added after construction was completed? Or added during the design phase?
Changed to "incorporated into the design". - EG
Clarify: It has a concrete floor and originally had a radiant heating system embedded underneath the floor slab ... The radiant heating system beneath the floor slabs also did not work and had to be removed. Normally, radiant heating is permanent. It can be disabled or disconnected. But "removing" is impossible, since it is typically embedded within the concrete of the slab. Although I suppose it could have been a layer between the slab and the floor tiles. Do the sources indicate that the piping/wiring was actually removed?
Yes, the source says that the tubes physically "had to be torn out" (quote from the source). - EG
Overall, prose meets WP:FACR "professioanl and engaging" requirement.
Sources & citiations are formatted properly & uniformly.
Article conforms to WP Manual of Style.
"Show Ref Check" tools says book sources do not use the "location" (city) field uniformly: "Inconsistent use of Publisher Location (2 with; 4 without)".
My very first FA on an article I've worked on for over a year. This article tells the story of the Coast Guard cutter Dione, whose story one of those see in passing, glance over, and move on with your day. But her history was fascinating! She was intended to stop smuggling but American Prohibition ended before she could do that, so she wound up doing search and rescue instead. When the US entered WWII, she operated in the infamous Torpedo Alley. Much to her crew's disappointment, she never sunk a U-boat (but she could've if she hadn't gone in for that refit!) Her civilian service was quite fun to piece together (three companies, four names, and a fire!) but it's unfortunate a definitive conclusion to her story cannot be said.
Not only are American ships grossly unrepresented in FAs, but those that are are the big ships. I wanna talk about the little gals, Dione included. I think the little stories are equally as important as the big ones. And there's a lot to be said for this "little story". Phoenix ‣ Talk // Contributions16:23, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Drive by comment: I changed the dmy ref format to mdy since this is a US ship, per MOS:DATETIES; feel free to revert if I missed something there. I will do a source review for this this week, but first you've got a ref errors in your ref and notes sections. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 20:53, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Accommodation_plans_of_USCGC_Dione.png: the tagging used is for when the artwork itself is the subject of commentary - that doesn't appear to be the case here?
File:3-inch_23-caliber_gun_aboard_USS_SC-291.jpg: when and where was this first published?
I thought that this article was in excellent shape when I reviewed its A-class nomination. From having read it over again, I'm happy to support promotion to FA class as well. This is a professional-grade article. Nick-D (talk) 06:12, 6 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The cutter was placed in reserve for about a year before being sold as a supply ship in March 1964. – March 1964 not supported.
Typo, fixed to February.
I think that the last paragraph in the lead can be trimmed significantly, right now, the play-by-play of her ownership is being provided the same consideration as the ship being gutted by fire.
Fixed. Appropriate?
Mounted on the bow was a 3-inch/23-caliber gun supplied by a magazine located in the keel. – The entirety of the keel? Or, as I assume, in the keel below the bow?
Below the bow, fixed.
The timeframe of "September 1942–1944" seems very barebones, although I suppose it is possible that there's simply nothing there.
Yeah, basically nothing.
There's a shakedown cruise associated with the February 1951 recommissioning, and it seems, another shakedown associated with the March 1952 arrival at Freeport. What happened in between to cause this?
Unknown.
Similarly, in the infobox, her service resumes in 1952 despite 1951 being provided as her recommissioning date.
I'm having trouble reconciling The convoys began to run at night following the loss of Axtell J. Byles. Dione began patrolling around the Wimble Shoals Buoy after her escort missions were finished, beginning demolition exercises on the wreck of Axtell J. Byles on 25 April. She would continue dropping depth charges for the next few days. with The Axtell J. Byles arrived to Hampton Roads under her own power in the evening and was repaired.Stikkyy (talk) 17:02, 14 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Appears to be my misreading of the source. I've fixed.
Regarding c:File:Dione depth charges.png, the Coast Guard page states – Most of the historical photos were donated by Seaman 1/c Harrison Ochs, USCGR. I'm not sure if the provided PD tag is as clear-cut of a case as it seems? Unless I see a NARA or NHHC label attached to it, I think that there is the possibility of the photographer acting in their capacity as a private individual, personally I tend to shy away from using images released from private collections in my articles ... @Nikkimaria:
I see what you're saying, but since it is published on an official site and doesn't have an alternative copyright statement attached, I'm inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:26, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Canney, Donald L. (1995). U.S. Coast Guard and Revenue Cutters, 1790-1935. Annapolis, Maryland: Nav…
Mostly
From source: They were active in enforcing Prohibition, particularly in tracking offshore “mother” ships that supplied smaller, faster rumrunners. doesn't support that they were large and fast enough to intercept the mother ships.
The cutter also picked up the survivors of the Greek freighter Kassandra Louloudis, which had been torpedoed by the same U-boat that attacked Acme just after midnight on 18 March.
The amendment banned the "manufacture, sale, or transportation" of most alcohol : nitpicking, but I assume we mean to say "alcoholic drinks" or similar. Prohibition didn't outlaw industrial uses of alcohol (e.g. as solvents or steriliser), and of course we mean ethanol rather than methanol, glycerol etc.
Changed to "most alcoholic drinks".
she was a member of the 125-foot (38 m) Active-class patrol boats : this has got lost somewhere: she was a member of the patrol boats? Suggest "Active class of patrol boats".
Added "of" and linked the class.
the Coast Guard was overwhelmed by the volume of smugglers : I think either the volume of smuggling or the number of smugglers, unless we mean that the smugglers were individually very overweight.
Yes, fixed.
Does U.S. have dots in it? It doesn't in the article text but does in some of the sources.
All instances of "US" have become "United States".
Alongside its normal duties, the Coast Guard shifted to impose a blockade along 5,000 miles (8,000 km) of American coastline: this comes in an odd place: I assume it predates the sentence before: by 1924, the Coast Guard was overwhelmed by the volume of smugglers and struggled to intercept more than five percent of the flow of alcohol.? Or did they get overwhelmed before even trying to put up a blockade? Separately, it might help to have a sense of the sort of resources/ships/personnel the USCG was working with at this time.
I've moved the sentences around, lmk if it works. @User:GGOTCC can handle the specifics; he wrote that part.
Alongside its normal duties: I think it's worth being explicit about what those are/were.
Done.
new patrol boats and destroyers—which had formerly been operated by the United States Navy: there's quite a lot of ambiguities here, which could do with bing resolved. New boats as in newly built, or boats/ships released from USN service to the USCG? Did the USN no longer operate patrol boats and/or destroyers?
My copy of Rum War at Sea mentions submarine chasers leant to the CG by the Navy but I can't see destroyers. Again, I'll defer to GGOTCC.
In the 1920s, the Coast Guard began to build purpose-built patrol boats: I'm not sure how this gels with them having "new patrol boats" earlier. But then the dates are confusing, since we've been in the 1920s the whole time. Did this start before or after 1924?
Again, GGOTCC thing.
The 165-foot (50 m) "B"-class, named for the cutters' overall length and : they had an overall length of "B"? I'm assuming here that the point is that the USCG wanted cutters in two sizes, the As at 125ft and the Bs at 165.
Noo! I explain it in the footnote... the Thetis class was referred to as the 165-foot "B" class to differentiate it from the 165-foot "A" class, which referred to the Algonquin class.
In that case, we need to rephrase what we have in the body: the name "B" isn't a reference to length, even if the categorisation as B rather than A might have been based on length.
Is the new edit acceptable to explain that?
the Active class' experiences: MOS:' prefers "class's".
Done.
Hull number 277, listed as patrol boat 13,: these both seem to be proper nouns, so they should be capitalised.
Neither is.
I see Hull number 277, listed as patrol boat 13, was built by... . If it's not a proper noun (ie, if we're talking about the number), how can it be built? On the other hand, if we're talking about the ship designated by that number, it's a proper noun. UndercoverClassicistT·C06:37, 15 October 2026 (UTC)reply
How about: "The new ship, patrol boat 13, was given the hull number 277. She was built by the Manitowoc Shipbuilding Corporation in Manitowoc, Wisconsin, and would later be named Dione." Phoenix ‣ Talk // Contributions11:22, 15 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Dione's keel was laid on 10 November 1933,[: is this a different thing to the vessel we were just talking about? I think we have elegant variation here, but it's difficult to tell.
Yes. Added a brief sentence sourced to the USCG.
and docked in Ogdensburg, New York for repairs : MOS:GEOCOMMA.
At the outbreak of the Second Happy Time in January 1942: I think the term could do with some explanation, especially as this wasn't a very happy time from the point of view of Dione, its crews and their countrymen.
Left a footnote.
Good to have, but the grammar needs a look: The event was called such by by German officers rather than Americans ones. Personally, I'd explain what made it "happy", and to whom; this footnote doesn't actually clarify very much. UndercoverClassicistT·C15:38, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
her contract was entered the same day for a price of US$242,800: can we give an idea of how much that was, in real terms?
"for a price" changed to "with a price", hopefully that clarifies.
Not quite what I meant. Was that a lot of money? It sounds like a lot, but today it's a large but not remarkable white-collar salary, or around the price of a fairly small house. Was that the same back then? Often the {{inflation}} template is helpful, but if you feel it isn't in this particular case, you could compare it to a benchmark figure to give readers some idea of how they should interpret this number. UndercoverClassicistT·C15:38, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Readers need some sort of contextual knowledge to understand what to make of a figure like this. Someone who doesn't know about relative prices, inflation etc will (wrongly) use their 2026 knowledge of currencies and assume that this was about the same as a dentist's annual wage, which is pretty cheap for a ship. In truth, it's about three times that. It's therefore helpful to either use the {{inflation}} template to give a rough equivalent in 2026 dollars, or (better, but harder) to find some other contemporary price against which it can be contextualised. UndercoverClassicistT·C14:53, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The launch of Dione and her sister ships Electra and Pandora, was originally to occur on 23 June 1934: misplaced comma. If these were her only sister ships, comma after ships, if not, remove the one after Pandora.
Changed to "The launch of Dione and two of her sister ships, Electra and Pandora, was originally to occur on 23 June 1934;"
it was postponed one week per an announcement by the chief government inspector and shipyard officials: not sure about the idiom of any of this. Firstly: postponed by, surely?
Changed to "the chief government inspector and shipyard officials postponed it by one week"
The cutter was proclaimed "satisfactory" at her trials: MOS:QUOTEPOV.
followed by the fuel tanks with a fuel capacity of 7,700 U.S. gallons (29,000 L) of diesel fuel, that were subdivided by two bulkheads.: wonky idiom here. Happy to suggest some rephrases.
Changed to "followed by the fuel tanks with a fuel capacity of 7,700 U.S. gallons (29,000 L) of diesel fuel. These fuel tanks were subdivided by two bulkheads"
the cutter's boats, which consisted of 19 ft (5.8 m) dories.: not sure about the idiom of consisted of. "Which were"? Do we know how many?
Judging by deck plans and photographs, I assume 2. But no source formally says so so I can't say in the article.
The cutters were propelled by ... The cutter had a maximum speed : throughout this section, I would pick a lane between singular and plural in phrases like this.
Fixed.
an economic speed of 6 knots: what's an economic speed?
Balances fuel consumption and travel time to make a ship as efficient as possible.
through the St. Lawrence River and through the gulf of the same name: the St Lawrence Gulf?
Gulf of St. Lawrence, yes. I wanted to avoid repetition but now I realize how dumb that wording is.
Dione was the only one that was large and capable enough of opposing the U-boats: capable enough? Suggest "large enough to be capable of...", if that's the intent.
Changed to "large enough to be capable of".
McCormick decided to abandon his usual routine in favor of grid-searching the waters off the Outer Banks for U-boats; these would utilize a World War I-era sonar system[44]: 24 and other types of sound-detection gear.: these being the U-boats?
Changed to "these searches utilized".
Dione dropped six depth charges after her sonar operator reported an "underwater object" 20 miles (32 km) off Oregon Inlet. : this might be a case to remove the quote marks per WP:QUOTEPOV.
McCormick was kept aboard Dione as an executive officer: an XO? Don't ships normally just have the one? I must admit this whole thing sounds a bit odd: we'd expect commanding officers to rotate, but for the experienced skipper to be promoted and moved elsewhere, rather than (de facto) demoted. The Coast Guard obviously thought he was good at his job, if he was still tasked with commanding the ship at difficult times. Do we have any sources as to what happened here?
some went off at 100 feet (30 m) while others went off at 50 feet (15 m: where were they meant to go off? I get the sense that at least the 50 ft was shallower than intended?
Per the source, the charges were set at those depths. I reworded the section to make it clear that this was intentional. I can't say if 50 feet were shallow, but the effects just sound like what happens when a fragile ship is near such a large explosion.GGOTCC06:53, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
the W marked that it was part of the Coast Guard: that they were (the antecedent is "the Thetis class patrol boats"). On which: Thetis-class should be hyphenated here.
the Greek freighter Kassandra Louloudis: we give nationality here, but not for most ships involved in this part of the article. Why the difference?
Almost all of the ships mentioned in the article are American, and the American source specifies her nationality. I can't speak for Phoenix, but I do not object to striking the nationality. GGOTCC06:53, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Lieutenant Dick Bacchus had taken over as the cutter's navigator and executive officer, arriving on 11 April from USCGC Modoc; Alger remained aboard as the commander: it's McCormick I really want to know about here, since he was the previous XO, but it may well be that history simply doesn't record what happened to him.
I will defer the matter to @Phoenix: who knows much more about the crew members
The convoys were nicknamed "bucket brigades" after the old-fashioned method of transporting buckets during a fire.[: I can guess at why this nickname made sense, but I'm only guessing. Has anyone been explicit about it in print?
According to Homer Hickam's 1989 book Torpedo Junction, Dione was ordered back to Little Creek for repairs and rearmament on 29 April: why does this need to be couched as "according to..." -- is there doubt about it? We promote it to fact at the start of the next paragraph.
a writer and photographer from The Saturday Evening Post: are these one person or two? Do we know the name(s)?
Two men, and I added their names (Charles Rawlings and Jack Manning). I do not see the need to name them beyond specifying that they were different people, and are open to ideas on how to reword this further. GGOTCC06:53, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
On 20 May, it was discovered that the cutter's port engine was "acting up".: presented as a quotation: whom are we quoting here?
responded to Coast Guard aircraft reports: might be clearer as "reports from Coast Guard aircraft": it sounds as if this might mean reports of enemy aircraft (which would have been doing rather well to get that far).
Done, thank you
the location of two allegedly damaged and submerged U-boats roughly 50 miles (80 km) off the coast of New Jersey and dropping depth charges on them.: slightly unclear: I think we mean that they went to a location where there was believed to be two U-boats, and dropped depth charges on it. As phrased, the U-boats definitely existed, were possibly damaged, and were definitely underneath Dione when the charges were dropped, but I don't think that's the intended meaning.
Reworded this to state, responded to reports from Coast Guard aircraft that alleged there were two damaged and submerged U-boats roughly 50 miles (80 km) off the coast of New Jersey; the duo than depth charged the suspected submarines.GGOTCC06:53, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
I would suggest sticking a date in the "Second Happy Time" subheading, or else years in the sub-subheadings that follow.
I added 1942 in subtitles. @Phoenix:, what do you think? GGOTCC
Tomodachi Life is, like its Japan-exclusive predecessor, an eccentric social simulation game starring the Miis developed and published by Nintendo. It was the first entry in the Tomodachi Life series to be released internationally, introducing the franchise to a new audience and gradually giving it a substantial cult following. However, among the more well-known aspects of Tomodachi Life is its controversial lack of same-sex relationships. Nintendo ultimately apologized for not including them, and pledged to make more inclusive gameplay were they to make a sequel... and they did! More than a decade later...
"Nintendo SPD's General Manager" → "Nintendo SPD's general manager"
Done.
The gameplay section states that it takes place on an island, but that Miis are in an apartment. Is there anything besides the apartment on the island?
See this sentence in gameplay: "By continuously adding Miis and completing miscellaneous objectives, additional buildings, shops, and attractions throughout the island become available. These include food and clothing vendors, a concert hall for Miis to perform live music, a café, and other venues that Miis can occasionally visit in their own time." TheBrickGraphic (talk) 17:39, 19 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@TheBrickGraphic, per CITEVARYES, I'll offer to make the citation case consistent. Would you prefer title case (Tomodachi Life Game Review) or sentence case (Tomodachi Life game review)?
Some citation fixes I've added before the spotcheck:
c#2(Game Informer): Added "Review" to title.
c#5(GameSpot): Changed date from 2020/06/06 to 2014/06/05
c#12(CVG): Linked work & changed date from 04/13 to 04/10.
c#18(Pocket Gamer): Changed year from 2020 to 2014.
c#23(1UP): Changed date from 2016/07/01 to 2010/06/17.
c#24(VG247): Fixing author name: Brenda Hill(i)er.
c#33(GameSpot): Adding author name & removing url-status.
c#42(Nintendo): Italicized trans-title.
c#43(MetaCritic): Removed url-status.
c#45(EGM): Linked work.
c#46(Famitsu): Italicized trans-title.
c#55(Joystiq): Changed year from 2020 to 2014, and linked work.
I'll go section-by-section to point out things that don't align with the used sources.
Gameplay (1/2)
c#2: [...as an omnipotent observer.] "Omnipotent" observer? Source specifies "observer", as in someone simply watching.
I used the word "omnipotent" because the source, earlier in that sentence, says that "you're equal parts god and surveillance camera". My mind went: god → omnipotent, camera → observer. But since "omnipotent" does probably imply that you have absolute control, I'll just replace it with "external", like in the lead. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#7: [...talking with the Miis...; ...visiting island landmarks...] This implies you, literally, talk to them. "Interacting" would fit the source better. Also, source doesn't say much about "landmarks", just island navigation.
The source does mention that "you’ll unlock an observation tower, a park, a photo studio, a compatibility tester, and more", but I've decided to just rewrite the sentence to "Much of the game's interactivity, such as interacting with the Miis and navigating the island, comes in the form of physically tapping the 3DS' touchscreen." TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#10/11[...naming the island...; ...Mii Apartments building...] Not properly supported by sources used; doesn't directly state you can name your island. Neither source refers to the location as the "Mii Apartments" "building", just some apartments.
The NWR source says, "It’s called Isla Sorna because I named it that." I feel like that's enough implication that you directly name the island; he doesn't say something like just "I call it Isla Sorna." The GameRevolution source also does mention Mii Apartments ("First, you’ve got to bring some new Miis to your central Mii Apartments, a three-story building with 24 rooms for your friends or Miis you make") Regardless, I decided to simplify the sentence mentioning Mii Apartments to just "The Miis, including the player's look-alike, populate an apartment...", since the name of the building isn't relevant. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#5/10[...and similar age...; ...a sufficient duration...] Not supported by either source. Nintendo Life only mentions "...their date of birth..." as a factor.
c#8/11/15[...if the confession is successful...; ...after further interactions.] I'm not seeing anything about a success mechanic here. Also, it's written about as more of a streamlined love -> marriage thing than "further interactions", from what I'm reading.
Simplified the sentence to "A Mii can harbor romantic feelings for another Mii of the opposite gender and similar age, which can lead to dating and eventual marriage."
c#5[...once the child grows up...; ...move them to Mii Apartments...] No mention of children growing up or moving to the apartments. Up to you if you want to keep the previous "Mii Apartments" instance by adjusting the sourcing, since I was mistaken the first time.
Not sure where I got the "growing up" portion but I'm pretty sure I misinterpreted the line "Once you’ve got your Miis married off, populating your island with children or gifting items to other islands via StreetPass..." as "Once you’ve got your Miis married off, populating your island with children or gifting them to other islands via StreetPass..." Do you think sourcing the Iwata Asks interview would be okay here? TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#8/10[...asking to compete in short...] Doesn't seem like the fact Miis ask, or that they're short, is sourced.
Replaced "short" with "simple", as per this line in the IGN review: "Sure, Miis offer to play shallow minigames from time to time, but simple memory or guessing games didn’t keep me entertained at all." TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
[...Nakae consulted with programmers and designers...] Mistranslation? Nakae appears to have worked with the programmers. The design you're referring to is the game's concept, planning and development itself. See these lines in question:
From my read-through, I felt that Nakae was in a "superior" position overlooking the other programmers. I decided to replace "consulted" with "worked", since I feel like "worked" better summarizes what feels like a quite broad position and, as a developer, is fundamentally correct. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
[...which was a less focused process.] I'd say it's more about trial and error.
By "less-focused", I meant that the development process of Collection had no clear vision. In my opinion, having no clear vision just means you have to throw ideas at the wall until they stick, i.e., trial and error. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I'm noticing now that the Iwata Asks source is a five-part interview, but currently only links to Part 4. Adjust the two first paragraphs accordingly if I got things wrong. Travis Mulch (talk) 00:01, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
[...to this end (s)he worked closely with returning programmers Nakae and Masanori Nakagawa.] Can you confirm this is verified by the interview? I'm not seeing it.
[...as the game's age specification system could not differentiate between the two groups.] This is because of the date of birth you give Miis, not that it can't differentiate.
Rewrote the sentence to "Another strong concern of some team members was the potential for the game to romantically pair two children, or a child and an adult, with one another." I do remember being a bit confused as to what the developers intended by "being unable to simply not differentiate children and adults", but on a re-read I realize they just meant that you can't just eliminate the idea of "children" and "adults" as age groups, not that the game's code can't differentiate... good catch. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
[...allowing child Miis...; ...conceived as a means...] Child Miis that have grown up. Also, this seems to have been more of a "checking up" feature/thing, not an actual conceived idea.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm referring to. This doesn't really refer to a conception, just the outcome of the feature itself. Otherwise we'd have to frame every idea as "conceived". Travis Mulch (talk) 15:00, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Are you sure? I could be wrong here, but through using Google Translate, Sakamoto says, "Actually, there was another reason for sending the Mii characters on a journey. I thought that..." He's outlining his conscious reasoning for the feature, not just the feature itself. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
My interpretation is that it's closer to "I forgot to mention, there's another thing that doing this accomplishes..." rather than "This is another reason why we added this feature..." in verbage. Travis Mulch (talk) 20:28, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#25[Bill Trinen, [...] for Nintendo...] AFAIK, Bill's always worked for Nintendo of America?
The IGN interview introduces him only as "Senior Product Marketing Manager Bill Trinen" for some reason. I decided to use this 2025 interview about the Switch 2 from IGN which introduces him as "Nintendo of America's Vice President of Product and Player Experience Bill Trinen". Looking at Trinen's own article, he doesn't seem to have moved on from this position in the past 17 years, so it should've been the case even in 2014. Too many capital letters for my liking though, lol TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#12[Sakamoto spoke of...] Ryutaro Takahashi is the one talking here.
We're talking about text-to-speech specifically, so the jargon-y way Trinen frames it is unclear. Considering the idea of TTS is only mentioned one other time, paragraph 1 in Gameplay, it shouldn't be addressed as two entirely different things. Travis Mulch (talk) 15:04, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#29/30[On March 13, 2013...; 3DS LL colors.] This was on March 11. Adjust sources used. Also, two products, not colors; only one product is a color.
I've chosen to mention only the bundle and not the Mint LL because on a re-read I don't think the latter is related to Tomodachi Life, but what do you mean by "adjust sources used"? TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#32[...to their YouTube channel...; ...such as Eiji Aonuma, creator of The Legend of Zelda series, conversing with Princess Zelda.] This is verified by the video, but not by the source. I think this is defensible, but was worth noting.
I remember checking at the time and neither source said/implied March 13, since they were both after that date. Might've just misworded what I wanted. Travis Mulch (talk) 15:06, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Reception is, of course, other peoples' opinions, so I see no reason to doubt the "Critical response" section given the use of reliable sources. All parts are sourced & attributed. Travis Mulch (talk) 01:05, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"Same-sex relationships" is also properly attributed to reliable sources, so I doubt it needs much of a look-through for source verification. Travis Mulch (talk) 01:09, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Apologies for the late response back. Overall, this is a really well-made article & I have no major issues left in mind after the source review, so I'm happy to support this nomination! Travis Mulch (talk) 15:11, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Sure, that sounds fine. Just FYI, something I've been wanting to include is the fact that having a baby grow up is what triggers the end credits, but no sources seemingly say that. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 10:50, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
For future edits, please avoid using "nowiki" for the apostrophes. I recommend using {{'}} instead - OpalYosutebito 『talk』
Why do some of these dates have commas after days and before words, but others don't? Like in the body you've got July 17 in South Korea and in the lead you have June 7, in Australia; and July 17, in South Korea. Also, there should be a comma after respectively - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 23:28, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
OpalYosutebito I worded it that way so I could create a satisfying connecting idea between the two paragraphs, since they each discuss very different elements of the game. I know the criticism from Robinson itself is vague but I'm inclined to keep it if nothing more than just to make nice flow. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:15, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
To me, it'd feel redundant. The meaning of "romantic preferences" feels intuitive: which people the Mii would prefer to have romantic relationships with. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 10:50, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"The game follows the day-to-day interactions of customizable avatars known as Miis residing on an island as they build relationships and request help with problems, all overseen by the player." — I think this sentence, with the amount of information it gives, is a bit too long; "all overseen by the player", in particular, feels like a bit of an afterthought—is it needed, given the next sentence tells the reader about the player's goal?
I've split up the sentence into the following: "The game follows the day-to-day interactions of customizable avatars known as Miis residing on an island. Overseen by the player, they build relationships with one another and request help with problems. Tomodachi Life is nonlinear; the player's only goal is to maintain their Miis' happiness." Is this better? TheBrickGraphic (talk) 21:38, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
"players to observe their real-world relationships more positively through the Miis" — I'm a bit iffy on the "through" here. To me, it sounds like they're encouraging players to vicariously live through the Miis, which is not the case, right? More that they want players to shift their perspective?
"At the request of Shinya Takahashi, Nintendo SPD's general manager, the game's art director, Mai Okamoto, reworked" — a nitpick, but the very many commas in this sentence make it a bit confusing to tell who's who.
I was a bit distracted by how many time "Mii(s)" is repeated in #Gameplay. Perhaps certain instances can be replaced with "the avatars" or "they/them" or similar?
In "additional buildings, shops, and attractions throughout the island become available. These include food and clothing vendors, a concert hall for Miis to perform live music, a café, and other venues that Miis can occasionally visit in their own time.", I don't think "and other venues that Miis can occasionally visit in their own time" is needed. The prior bits are established as (specific) examples, but this bit just seems to be repeating "additional buildings, shops, and attractions throughout the island" in a way—unless there is something specific that I'm missing?
"the game's art director, Mai Okamoto, reworked its visuals to achieve a "next-generation" feel." seems to be contradicted in the body, where it says the team collectively reworked the visuals.
"Another strong concern of some team members was the potential for the game to romantically pair two children" — can this be written in active voice? I find the passive voice quite awkward here.
"New Life's StreetPass functionality, allowing child Miis who have grown up to visit others' islands, served as a means for players to grow emotionally attached to their Miis" — sounds a tad like it's asserting the intention in Wikipedia's voice and implying that it was successful as a result.
I used the word "served" as a result of a small back-and-forth I had with Travis Mulch regarding the meaning of a Sakamoto quote in the Iwata Asks interview; if it's not too nuch, I'd like your input on the comment in question beginning with "...allowing child Miis...; ...conceived as a means..." TheBrickGraphic (talk) 21:38, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
"Trinen recounted that determining how to market New Life to customers in North America through a "relatable cultural context" heavily guided this stage of localization, which took over a year." — feels awkward to me—can it be reworded?
I'm on the "Reception" section right now, and I'm having a lot of fun reading the article thus far. I'm so sorry for the delay in my review; I'll try to get the rest of it up within 24 hours. Pamzeis (talk) 19:13, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
"contrasting with the constructed language featured in fellow simulation series The Sims, feeling that the Miis'" — I'm not a huge fan of the double "-ing" here
"The ability to input custom lyrics for the songs in the concert hall was lauded for its versatility and entertainment value by Danny Cowan of Joystiq." — also not a fan of the passive voice here
"Eurogamer's Martin Robinson was more critical, opining that Tomodachi Life's quirky comedy could not single-handedly remedy what he felt were significant gameplay issues." — I'm iffy on this sentence. My immediate response is "what gameplay issues is he referring to?". But outside of that, it doesn't feel like criticism of the humour to me (or any stand really). It feels more like commentary on the gameplay, I suppose? The way I'm reading it, it's not humour = bad because it can't remedy the gameplay issues, more that the gameplay is so bad that the (good) humour can't remedy it? I suppose the sentence doesn't really add anything for me, and only confuses me.
The reason I used this wording was as a transitioning sentence between the two sources of critical commentary (humor and gameplay), since they're fairly different aspects of the game. There's this line from the review: "The abundance of surreal moments ... make for a game that's fun to tell others about, but dull to play", and this is the closing comment: "Yet despite its exuberance and eccentricity, it's hard to recommend a life simulator with no real sense of simulation, and very little in the way of life." I modified the wording to "Eurogamer's Martin Robinson was more critical, opining that while Tomodachi Life's humor was quirky enough to be 'fun to tell others about', it could not single-handedly remedy what he felt were significant gameplay issues." I'd want to keep the gameplay portion vague because, well, this technically is the humor section. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 21:07, 4 November 2026 (UTC)reply
"A few reviewers thought" — if it's only two (from the sourcing), I think it would be better to just say their (last) names to avoid potential MOS:WEASEL issues.
This table lists 6 random passages from throughout the article (6.3% of 96 total passages).
These passages contain 10 inline citations (6.8% of 148 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. Gavetheman555(talk) 22:22, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
An overall lack of user agency was criticized, and some felt Tomodachi Life's core gameplay quickly became monotonous. Robinson critiqued the gameplay loop of making islanders happy as exceedingly trite.
I don't plan on doing a review, but I did find an academic source that could be used in the section about the gay relationships controversy: . Not sure if you can access it but you might be able to through The Wikipedia Library. Just mentioning it in case it's useful. NRP (talk) 19:44, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
NRP This is definitely a meaty paper, lol. The only place I could imagine using this is to support the claim in reference that "The comment garnered backlash from LGBTQ players..."? It doesn't seem to be a critique in and of itself. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 00:29, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
This article is about the Xuande Emperor, the fifth emperor of the Ming dynasty of China. I have tried to improve this article as well as the articles related to the Ming dynasty. Min968 (talk) 05:41, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"He was a talented man of letters". Can you rewrite this so the meaning is more clear?
"In contrast to his predecessors, he lived a life of luxury and debauchery". I would write "Mote states that he lived in luxury and debauchery" to avoid the appearance of an opinionated judgement.
Provide Chinese characters for Xia Yuanji, Jian Yi, Chen Zhi, Mu Sheng, and Huang Fu.
"The Xuande Emperor, however, maintained control over the eunuchs and was not afraid to execute them if they overstepped their boundaries." Is there any information about how many eunuchs the Xuande Emperor executed?
Not mentioned in the cited source.
"In August 1428, he replaced the long-standing head of the Censorate, Liu Quan (劉觀), who had been in the position since 1415, with the honorable Gu Zuo (顧佐)." Could you rewrite this to explain why Gu Zuo was seen as honorable?
"another member of the Trần family was no longer alive". Does this mean that another member of the Trần family had died or that there were no surviving members of the Trần family?
"After 1433, Japanese delegations arriving in China were primarily composed of agents of daimyos, monasteries, and temples who were eager to access the Chinese market." Could you explain what daimyos were?
"Relations with Korea were generally peaceful, with regular delegations traveling between the two capitals." Is there any information about how often these delegations visited the respective capitals?
Later, as emperor, Zhu Zhanji personally participated in skirmishes with the Mongols on the northern border. During one of these battles, he demonstrated his skill with a bow by shooting several Mongol warriors. I would move it to section "Mongolia".
Done.
In 1411, Zhu Zhanji was appointed Imperial Grandson-heir (皇太孫; Huang Taisun) while his father had been heir to the throne (皇太子; Huang Taizi) since 1404. I would follow the chronological order.
Done.
Zhu Zhanji also dedicated himself to studying military expeditions. I do not quite understand the sentence.
Done.
This earned him their resentment. I would delete this sentence.
Done.
In August 1424,... On 1 November 1424,... In April 1425,... Could you rephrase the prose for better flow?
Done.
Upon his accession, the new emperor's officials received him calmly, as he shared his father's idealistic conservative policies. I am not sure that I understand the sentence.
Done.
..., and his reign was marked by significant cultural and political achievements I would delete this text.
Done.
He was a conscientious ruler... he was capable of making strong decisions when necessary... PoV statements?
Done.
...unlike the Yongle Emperor's usurpation,... Delete it.
Done.
Zhu Gaoxu challenged his nephew's accession, but unlike the Yongle Emperor's usurpation, he was unsuccessful in his attempt. The Yongle Emperor favored Zhu Gaoxu due to his military prowess. Zhu Gaoxu proved to be a capable and energetic commander during the civil war of 1399–1402, but his arrogance and contempt towards his older brother, the Hongxi Emperor, caused tension. Zhu Gaoxu became bitter when he was not named as a successor in 1404. His disobedience eventually led to his banishment to the backwater city of Le'an in Qingzhou prefecture, Shandong. Believing that he was the rightful heir to the throne in 1424, instead of his ailing brother, he began plotting a coup after his brother's death. Shortly after the Xuande Emperor's ascension to the throne on 2 September 1425, Zhu Gaoxu attempted to follow in the footsteps of the Yongle Emperor by rebelling against the Emperor. Please condense this passage into a much shorter sentence that focuses specifically on the rebellion itself.
Done.
...by appointing individuals with noble titles to civil offices and appointing unworthy individuals... Some context?
Done.
He was therefore in a much weaker position than his father had been in 1399. Delete it.
Done.
The Emperor initially hesitated... What does this sentence mean? Was he thinking of abdication?
Done.
...gained more influence and...now... Delete the text.
Done.
The use of Chinese characters is inconsistent: some individuals' names and titles are given in Chinese characters, while others are not.
..., during which the Emperor would discuss and sign the drafts of his decrees Consider deleting it.
Done.
In situations where the Emperor did not agree with the ideas of grand secretaries, he would use eunuchs to convey his orders to lower branches of the state administration. As the ministers did not question the Emperor's orders, the eunuchs were able to give orders to the ministers on behalf of the sovereign without his knowledge. They eventually found themselves in a position to exploit powers traditionally reserved for the emperor on an unprecedented scale. The Xuande Emperor, however, maintained control over the eunuchs and was not afraid to execute them if they overstepped their boundaries. In the long run, this approach allowed eunuchs to exploit their power if a less assertive emperor was in power. Condansate the text with a clear focus on the Xuande Emperor's reign.
For example, the Hongwu Emperor had sent his heir, Zhu Biao, to "tour and pacify", while the Yongle Emperor had sent both the Hongxi and Xuande emperors to the provinces. I would mention his provincial mission in section "Early life".
In 1421, the Yongle Emperor even sent 26 high-ranking government officials to the provinces. Delete the sentence.
Done.
...these officials held. .. later also held ...They also held... Rephrase for better flow.
Done.
The system of grand coordinators reached its final form during the Zhengtong era (1436–1449), when they were assigned to all provinces except Fujian and six of the nine frontier garrisons on the northern border. Delete the sentence.
Done.
...their efforts were largely ineffective Why?
Done.
In 1429, the Emperor attempted to boost morale ... this did not have a significant impact on the army's morale. Rephrase for better flow.
Done.
The consequences of this decline in the army's strength were not fully realized until 1449, at the Battle of Tumu, when the Mongols were able to defeat the Ming army led by Emperor Yingzong and even take the Emperor prisoner. Perhaps this sentence fits better to section "Legacy".Borsoka (talk) 09:01, 22 October 2026 (UTC)reply
...the subsequent loss of mineral wealth... Where? (I assume in territories lost.)
Done.
...which were circulated alongside state notes during the Yongle era Why not past perfect?
The Hongwu Emperor established paper money, known as baochao banknotes, as the primary form of currency. For smaller transactions, copper coins were also used, which were circulated alongside state notes during the Yongle era. However, both the coins and the copper used to make them were in short supply. In contrast, the government printed large quantities of banknotes, causing their value to rapidly decrease. By 1425, baochao banknotes were only worth 2% of their nominal value. In an unsuccessful attempt to promote paper currency, the Hongxi Emperor closed precious metal mines, but the Xuande government allowed for a partial resumption of mining. Condensate the text into one sentence with a focus on the Xuande Emperor's reign.
The Xuande Emperor and his advisors implemented various measures in an attempt to support the state's economy. One such measure was the pressure placed on the use of copper coins, which were seen as competition for paper money. Copper coins were almost completely phased out of circulation. Consolidate the text into a single, short sentence.
Done.
In addition, Minister of Revenue Xia Yuanji suggested a solution to combat the decline in the value of government banknotes by increasing business taxes and only accepting payment in government banknotes, but this approach did not yield the desired results. Shorten the text by at least 20 percent.
Done.
...the Grand Canal... A link and some explanation ("an important trading route connecting X with Y", or something similar)?
Despite the government's efforts, ... Delete.
Done.
By the 1430s, banknotes were no longer in use and were only used to pay employees to a limited extent. Contradiction.
Done.
These changes hardly impacted the country's economy. Delete it.
Done.
Despite the government's opposition to replacing copper coins and paper currency with silver,... Delete the text, and consolidate the rest of the sentence with the previous one for better flow.
Done.
Despite the dissatisfaction of officials in Beijing, they were unable to suppress the circulation of coins produced by private entrepreneurs, but they also did not make the decision to resume state production of coins. Condensate the text for better flow.
During the Yongle Emperor's reign, the country saw a 10 percent increase in land tax revenue, which was likely distributed evenly throughout the country. However, this increase in taxes proved to be too much for the peasants in Suzhou and Songjiang, leading to a growing number of tax arrears. The last years of the Yongle era saw natural disasters, causing even more peasants to abandon their land. By 1422–28, the amount of tax arrears had reached several million dan of rice annually. Condansate the text for a better flow.
... via the Grand Canal... Delete.
Done.
In an effort to maintain a steady supply of rice, the government decided to reduce taxes and forgive a portion of the arrears. Delete.
Done.
The Ministry of Revenue delayed the reduction of taxes for four years... Why?
...over its potential impact... On what?
...in each county, warehouses were built to collect the tax rice; previously, it had been stored in barns by tax captains (landowners responsible for transporting rice from villages to designated locations, such as the capital)... Could you condensate the text with a focus on the principal change (which, I assume, was that a system of public warehouses replaced the previous private ones)?
the government introduced a tax supplement designated for covering the costs of transportation along the Grand Canal to Beijing, thereby easing the burden on taxpayers who only transported rice to the canal, rather than all the way to Beijing I am not sure that I understand the text.
..., which was beneficial for both taxpayers and the government,... Why?
Link "monetization".
Done.
These actions were highly praised and recorded in the official history of the dynasty. Delete.
Done.
The trend continued in the Zhengtong era (1436–1449) with a further reduction of 10–15%. By the end of the Ming dynasty, the land tax remained at 25–28 million dan. I think these sentences fit netter to section "Legacy".
This reduction in expenses... No reduction in expenses is previously mentioned in the text.
..., a feat that was not always achieved in later eras Delete.
...,recalling both the Hongwu Emperor's prohibition on invading Đại Việt and the Yongle Emperor's original goal of restoring the Trần dynasty... Delete it or transform it into a footnote.
Done.
To counter this threat,... Delete.
Done.
...had ulterior motives and... Delete.
Done.
The Chinese army suffered heavy losses, with approximately 70,000 men killed. Consolidate with the previous sentence, thus radically shortening the text.
The Beijing government officially recognized Lê Lợi's son and gave him a royal title in November 1436, after the Xuande Emperor's death. Delete.
Done.
...after the latter sent him a humble letter...The Ming's withdrawal from Đại Việt was a blow to their pride and prestige... Contradiction.
... left a lasting impact on their culture and state Examples?
The two decades of Ming rule and education transformed Đại Việt. The long-term warfare also resulted in a strong and efficient Viet army, whose strength would heavily impact the southern kingdom of Champa in the following decades. Delete.
Done.
The ban on unauthorized trade and overseas travel by subjects... Which ban? What subjects?
Done.
...formerly the Yuan capital of Shangdu and... Delete.
Done.
The shoguns were unable to effectively intervene against the pirates due to a lack of resources. Delete.
Done.
The Xuande Emperor combined the virtues of a Chinese warrior and scholar. Attribute this PoV statement to a scholar.
...the famous Jingdezhen blue and white porcelain.... Delete "famous".
Done.
...until he suddenly died on 31 January 1435. He died in the Palace of Heavenly Purity in the Forbidden City.... Consolidate the two text for better flow.
Done.
Through her cooperation with the grand secretaries, state policy remained consistent until the early 1440s. Delete.
Done.
The Xuande Emperor was a capable, active, and skilled ruler. According to whom?
Done.
...—which caused problems for his successors Rephrase to make it clear that the eunuchs' growing influence caused problems for his successors.
..., like the Yongle Emperor,... Delete.
Done.
..., leaving the reins of government in the hands of officials who were often divided into rival factions or, more commonly, palace eunuchs Delete.
Done.
The rebellion of the Xuande Emperor's uncle confirmed to the Emperor and his officials that the decision to remove members of the imperial family from any influence over the military was the right one. Rephrase it for better flow.
Done.
...where the Xuande Emperor's son Emperor Yingzong led the Ming army. The Mongols defeated Emperor Yingzong's army and took him prisoner. Condensate the text to be more concise.
Done.
The Ming dynasty's originally diverse elites, including generals, members of the imperial family, Confucian officials, and eunuchs, saw the first two groups lose their influence over the governance of the country. I do not understand the sentence.
(Lead) ...his skill in painting and warfare... A strange pairing.
(Lead) ...he made the decision to reverse his father's plan... Rephrase for better flow.
(Lead) His uncle Zhu Gaoxu rebelled against the young emperor but was ultimately unsuccessful. With the guidance of capable advisors, the Xuande Emperor personally led his army against his uncle and easily defeated him. Condensate the text for better flow.
(Lead) However, his rule was relatively peaceful, with no major internal or foreign conflicts. Delete it or rephrase it for better flow.
(Lead) ..., with relations established with the Eastern Mongols and Western Oirats I do not understand the text.
(Lead) ..., particularly in the secret police The text is not verified in the main text.
(Lead) After his death, historians regarded his reign as the golden age of the dynasty. Why not present perfect? His assessment should be the lead's closing sentence.
(Lead) In the past, high taxes in heavily taxed prefectures, particularly in Jiangnan, had caused peasants to leave the economy. The Emperor lowered taxes and dispatched "grand coordinators" to the provinces to improve the performance of local authorities. Consolidate the two sentences for better flow and concision.Borsoka (talk) 04:22, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I still find the use of Chinese characters somewhat inconsistent. I would suggest that the Chinese characters for the names of individuals other than the Xuande Emperor himself should be omitted from the article. Borsoka (talk) 03:33, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
My concern is the inconsistency. For instance, the article does not provide the Chinese forms of the names of its subject or his parents, yet it does include the Chinese form of Xue Lu's name. Borsoka (talk) 05:43, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
@Borsoka The subject’s name is already given in the notes section, and his parents’ names already have their own articles, so there is no need to include Chinese characters in the article body. Min968 (talk) 06:23, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
For instance, the Chinese forms of the names of Zhu Gaosui, Yang Shiqi, Huang Huai, and Yang Rong are not included in the article either. Borsoka (talk) 10:13, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Although I must confess that I do not fully grasp the finer points of our guidelines concerning the presentation of Chinese characters in our articles, I am very pleased to support the promotion of this thoroughly researched and interesting article. Borsoka (talk) 10:42, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
The images under "Government and administration" could maybe be reversely aligned, as now the first image clashes with a subheader, and the two following images show subjects facing away from the text, whereas it is recommended that subjects face towards the text.
Any images of currency used at the time that could be relevant in that section?
Do we have any images of his residence or other places of relevance to show?
"The Ming government's ban on overseas voyages, whether for overseas settlement or commercial activities, remained in force but was poorly enforced" why was it banned? Seems the footnote doesn't explain it either. Could be good to explain somewhere for context.
This article is about Ben Roberts-Smith, holder of a Victoria Cross for Australia, who has been described as the most decorated living Australian soldier. In 2023, after suing several newspapers, he had his case dismissed, and the judge found, to the standard required in Australian defamation law, that he had committed war crimes. I nominated this article as a FAC previously; however, it timed out. See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ben Roberts-Smith/archive1. I'm renominating again as it seemed like I was so close to it passing last time and the two week period has passed. TarnishedPathtalk11:55, 2 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Posting a brief note, summarising the prior nomination, per advice from @Noleanderbelow. There were no opposes in the prior nomination. Image review was a pass. For the source review the reviewer's last comment was "I think this checks out. Someone else might want to double check though." There were two supports for the nomination from Sabine's Sunbird and Hawkeye7 after they conducted reviews and provided feedback (which I addressed). During the review I did a major restructure of the article on the feedback of Peacemaker67 and I was confident of getting their support, after any additional minor issues were addressed, when the nomination timed out. TarnishedPathtalk00:03, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I see that this is the article's 2nd FAC nomination. (I have not read the 1st nomination page.) It would be useful to reviewers to know (a) Were there any Oppose reviews in the prior nomination and, if so, how has the article addressed those concerns. and (b) Have any significant changes or improvements been made to the article between 1st and 2nd nomination? Consider posting the answers in a brief note at the top of this (2nd nomination) page.
Missing links to similar articles? Many readers start with one article and get interested in the topic and want more. They often go to the bottom of an article to do that jump: at the bottom, they look for "Footer NavBoxes" and Categories. I don't see either of those for "war crimes" or "war criminals". Consider adding Footer NavBoxe(s) and Categories for war crimes/criminals, if they exist and are appropriate.
Never mind, I just realized that he was not convicted, so "war crimes" NavBox would be a BLP issue. Still: if there are any military-related NavBoxes that are appropriate and relevant, consider those. Noleander (talk) 15:22, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Overall the compliance with MOS seems fine: I don't see any stylistic shortcomings.
The coverage seems broad, although I'm not from Australia and not familiar with this person or the legal case.
Images have proper licensing information ... shout out to Commons user Nick-D for taking the photos in person (not sure if that is the same person as English WP Nick-D).
The vast majority of cite titles use sentence case, which is fine, but a couple might be in title case:
Benjamin Roberts-Smith, DVA Anzac Portal
Australian Army Awarded the Victoria Cross for Australia/Medal for Gallantry Corporal Benjamin Roberts-Smith, VC, MG – Citation
I'm not sure if "portal" should be upper or lower. Ditto for "awarded"
These are references 1 and 8 respectively (writing this for benefit, in case I need to go back to them). For reference one I've changed the title to "Benjamin (Ben) Roberts-Smith" and change the name of website parameter to Department of Veterans' Affairs Anzac Portal. DVA present the webpage with the proper noun Anzac Portal. Regarding reference 8, I've changed the title to merely "Awarded the Victoria Cross for Australia". The was it was as you wrote above is because they have the title on 4 different lines and it basically combining all four lines. TarnishedPathtalk00:28, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Clarify wording: "... with five counts of the war crime of murder[c] (three charges of aid, abet, counsel, or procure an offence, one charge of actual offence and one charge of joint commission of an offence) with a potential maximum sentence of ..." I'm a bit confused with the parenthetical note: I counted the items inside the () and there are five, so I'm concluding that it is describing five varieties of murder. Some readers that are not knowledgable about law and/or English is their 2nd language may also get confused, because the word shifts from "count" to "charge". Varying word choice is normally good writing style, but here consider tweaking the wording to minimize confusion.
Bulleted text style: "during the Whiskey 108 ... " it is unusual to see bullets begin with lowercase, but I can see how it might be sensible here. But lots of articles use uppercase to start the bullets even when the individual bullets are a continuation of the pre-bullet sentence. Honestly, I have no idea what the MOS recommends on that. Consider checking the MOS and ensuring that lowercase is consistent with MOS.
I've looked it up and the appropriate MOS is MOS:LIST. The relevant section is MOS:LISTCASE, which states that starting bulletpoints in lower case is best reserved for when the list items are sentence fragments. That's the case here. TarnishedPathtalk00:48, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Article is looking good. I cannot find any areas of improvement. It is a fairly focused topic, with mostly modern news articles as sources - unlike some historical or academic topics which have deep and sometimes contrasting sources that can make editing and distilling more problematic. Leaning support. Ping me around 16 October and I'll make a second pass. Noleander (talk) 02:57, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Support - Article is looking good, I cannot find any additional improvements, so I support on prose and manual of style. I have not done an image review or source review. This is a peculiar article because it's a current event that is unfolding right now ... as the nomination is underway. The article will almost certainly be undergoing many changes in the near future, which is unusual for a featured article. Noleander (talk) 18:50, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Despite my lack of familiarity with the Australian military (and its historically good coverage on Wikipedia) I've seen this article quite a few times now. It's unfortunate that it didn't pass its first FAC nomination. I'm going to commit to a source review this weekend. More comments to come. Travis Mulch (talk) 19:57, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I wouldn't be hasty about this. Do more research about sourcing the birth month if needed. Online sources seem to cite both February and November, with a preference for November. Travis Mulch (talk) 01:06, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
OK, I'll have a look at it more later. However citation one is a government source, so I would expect it more likely to be correct than other sources. TarnishedPathtalk01:12, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Majority rules here. The February date wasn't always on ANZAC per archives, so it may be best to use sources which cite November as a proper record. Travis Mulch (talk) 16:30, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#2(TSM): Is this source being used to establish Sue Holloway's maiden name and/or marriage to Len? Just odd for a source pre-dating RS's birth.
Just the maiden name. I agree that it's unusual to have source pre-dating his birth. I've attempted to find an online link from Trove and National Archives of Australia, and haven't been able to as yet. I'll have a look on newspapers.com later on when I get back from the local markets. TarnishedPathtalk01:01, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Following up on above, where I said I'd look through newspapers.com. I haven't been able to find anything, as for this publication they only have archives prior to 1954. TarnishedPathtalk08:05, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#3(NN): Seems like the link & archive have "#:~:text=1978:%20Born%20in%20Perth,%20the,a%20patrol%20scout%20and%20sniper" needlessly appended to the URL.
c#8(DoD): As a non-military reader, there are significant sourcing issues in the first paragraph:
"basic training"? It only specifies "...completed his training at..." in the source, is this allowed? Is military recruit training the only kind of training?
What is the "Army Recruit Training Centre"? The source makes no mention of it, Blamey Barracks, or Kapooka.
We now make mention of "employment training", another type of training which is never referenced in the source.
What is "Lone Pine Barracks"? Another unsourced location.
What is "Holsworthy?" Again, unsourced.
You're correct there are issues here. I guess I've never looked into this section as I have knowledge of where things are and the stages of training. Everyone who joins the army goes to Kapooka to start with for basic training. Where they go next then depends on whether they're going to be an engineer, infantry etc. Because Roberts-Smith was going to be in the infantry he was sent to Singleton next. Lastly 3RAR's base is at Holsworthy. However, as you've correctly identified, the source doesn't support the parts you're identified. I'm going to trim it down to state that he joined the army in 1996, completed training at Singleton and then was posted to 3RAR. TarnishedPathtalk05:14, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
(Masters' Flawed Hero listing on Google Books does not effectively list page numbers, so I'll have to look for this as well.)
c#8, cont.: The last sentence makes reference to "evacuat[ing] Australian citizens from Fiji", which is not supported.
I've adjusted this to state that took part in operations off Fiji. I think the evacuating Australian citizens bit came from a presumption that he was there as part of Operation Quickstep; however the dates don't line up. He was there in 2004 and Operation Quickstep was in 2006. TarnishedPathtalk05:42, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Who are "the other soldiers" mentioned? The article specifies "...two SAS troopers..." in the patrol, precision may be better.
From Masters' book: "After hearing the second call, Sergeant Locke and Lance Corporal Roberts-Smith moved to the OP. Locke queried why the spotter had not been engaged. The soldiers replied that they understood that they were there to observe and not get into a gunfight." Just in case you're wondering OP stands for observation post. TarnishedPathtalk06:24, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Is it accurate to plainly refer to the spotter as "unarmed" given we only hear as much emphasis as "...[h]e appeared to be unarmed..."?
There are other sources which state that he was unarmed. For example from Flawed Hero, page 6 (the citation used to support the other "the other soldiers" bit above, "The Sig would later further explain 'I did not join the regiment to shoot an unarmed teenager in the back.'" I can add wording that he appeared to be unarmed if you think it's necessary, but I don't think there's any dispute about it. TarnishedPathtalk06:34, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
(Skipping the first paragraph for first pass due to combined web/book source usage.)
c#20/21(SMH/NYT): Is it appropriate to leave the "...most highly decorated..." quote without attribution to the Australian War Memorial, which isn't even technically fully open yet?
c#25/26/27(TGx2/SMH): What do "pseudonyms for national security reasons" and "senior soldiers" mean in this context? I'm seeing a "...retired comrade of Roberts-Smith’s [was] anonymised..." and "...soldier anonymised in court..." as the closest matches in these three, but too indirect.
I'm now realizing SMH says "...albeit with their names suppressed under national security orders." This should be fine. Still questioning what "senior soldiers" refers to. Travis Mulch (talk) 00:57, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@TarnishedPath I hope to finish the review by Monday. Because the rest of the article is less dependent on book sources, I should be able to get through it quicker. I may ask for book page OCRs (to save time) if needed for a second pass. Further sections to follow. Travis Mulch (talk) 16:35, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#28(ABC): "...at age-thirty five..." is both contradictory (article posted October 2, assuming November is the accurate birth month,) and not supported by the source.
c#31(AA): You should probably include the word "operations" as part of the quote.
If I did that I'd need to also add 'counter-leadership' between the current end of the quote and 'operations'. I'm not keen on adding 'counter-leadership' as its meaning is this usage is highly specific and not at all in common usage. I'm going to summarise and remove the quote. TarnishedPathtalk08:01, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#32(AoAV): It may be worth specifying the 2013-2015 work was part-time.
I'm not sure that's necessary. The Army Reserve is part-time (outside of any deployments that occur). 'Army Reserve' is linked at the top of the article and our readers can find out the nature of the service. I'll take your guidance if you really think it's necessary, but I don't think we need to do it. TarnishedPathtalk08:15, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Post service career and war crime allegations(Paragraphs 1-5)
c#28/33(ABC/UQ): I'm not convinced by the use of timing here, specifically "...in October 2013..."(only accurate for the source date itself, not the claim) and "At this time..."(same inferrence).
c#34/35(ABC/SMH): Kind of confused by the contradicting dates; SMH says 2015, ABC says 2016 (likely referring to the report's year?) I see 2016 is listed as the report year two paragraphs down in the article.
I can understand that confusion. I've looked up some other sources and the ABC is wrong. Crompvoets was commissioned by defence to write a report looking into options for greater military involvement in domestic counter-terrorism. That occurred as a consequence of the Lindt Café siege which happened in December 2014. It was during her investigation that she had special forces soldiers make allegations to her of "competition killing" driven by blood lust. Her report which was delivered in 2016 led to the Brereton inquiry. I've adjusted the wording, removed ABC and added two other sources. TarnishedPathtalk09:31, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#37/38(news/Mum): Who is Kerry Stokes? His ownership of SWM is not supported by the sources. Is "Regional television" worth specifying, though unsourced? What is Maroochydore? Is "two months later" accurate WP:CALC for April-July?
(I don't have access to The Australian, including ProQuest, so confirm two things. Is December 2016 stated as his graduation date, or is that the report's date? Is 38 stated as his age?)Travis Mulch (talk) 17:24, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
From the source (dated 14 December 2016) "Last week, the former Special Air Service Regiment corporal received a master of business administration. During the graduation ceremony he described the acute fear of failure triggered by university study."
It doesn't mention his age explicitly, but I think this time it is covered by WP:CALC. Let me know if you want me to remove the age. Ps, I've removed a source from 2013 which I think was left over from when I did the major reorganisation of the article during the last FAC review. I'm going to call it a night because it's 9:17pm here. I will get more done tomorrow. TarnishedPathtalk10:17, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Post service career and war crime allegations(Paragraphs 6-9)
c#15/44(TA/ABC):
Bit of a lack of clarity: "...discrepancies between Roberts-Smith's own accounts..."? I think it could be argued later descriptions varied, but isn't this between Masters and RS?
I think it's due to press the guy legally charged with war crimes further than "...the scrutiny of his record...", be specific about what that record entails.
At that time he hadn't been charged with anything and the defamation action initiated by him hadn't started. At that time he was very widely held up as a hero. That said I've adjusted the wording to be closer to the source (ABC) which states that he called scrutiny of SAS actions in Afghanistan "un-Australian". TarnishedPathtalk23:28, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#51(SMH): I looked at Nine Entertainment's article and they supposedly didn't complete the merge until December 2018, as opposed to the article's August 2018 date. Worth including/adding another source?
I think I'll need to come back to this. What I'm thinking at present is that mention of Nine be removed from that location and that further on when the sourcing starts talking about the action being between RS and Nine, that we mention that by that time Fairfax and Nine merged. If I forget to come back to this, please remind me. TarnishedPathtalk23:44, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I've now resolved this. I found a source which states "Mr Roberts-Smith on Friday addressed allegations aired during defamation proceedings against Fairfax Media, now Nine Entertainment, during a Federal Court hearing this week." TarnishedPathtalk08:43, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#52(SMH): Remove "those" unless additional source is added. Only a singular Darwan incident is supported.
Civil trial and judgment (2020–2023)(Paragraphs 1-6)
c#59(TG): Dawson is not established as Fairfax/Nine's lawyer. There was also more than one eyewitness.
From near the top of the article "Court case into defamation claims against Nine newspapers ..." and then later on "Sandy Dawson SC, acting for the newspapers ...". I have removed the Fairfax bit though. Obviously by this stage the Nine/Fairfax merger discussed above had completed. I'm going to need to add a note here or something stating that is the case and add in a source. I'll get to that later when I decide if it's in text or by way of a note. I've adjusted the wordign to make it clear that there were "eyewitness accounts". TarnishedPathtalk00:21, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#62(TAge): It was reported "that same month", not directly extended per source. Also, we don't know that's how much he drew, just that he had access to that amount.
OK, I've just done a bunch and I will come back to this later on tonight after work. I still need to do something about the Fairfax merger with Nine per your feedback above at c#51. TarnishedPathtalk01:00, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Civil trial and judgment (2020-2023)(Paragraphs 7-11)
c#28(SMH):
Same issue with the "unarmed" discrepancy as earlier: we don't mention it, so we can't say the Afghan was unarmed unless another source stating as such is added. "subdued and detained" is better per source.
c#70/71(ABC/TG): I reallyyy don't wanna defend the guy, but "bragged" is risky. He made a controversial statement, then denied making it. It may be better to say what he said, and what came of it.
I've replaced "bragged" with the quote. If you think I need to add more, I can. However, the bloke doesn't really have any credibility in this matter. TarnishedPathtalk04:35, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#72(TG): The type of event doesn't appear to be specified.
The quote about the bullet in the back of the head is altered: "you’re going to get a bullet in the back of the head"; put quotes around what you're altering.
c#28/76(SMH/TC) Evidence submissions? Information gathering? What do these mean, or am I missing something?
Lawyer jargon I think. One of the former editors of this article was a lawyer. Any legal jargon you notice is probably there because of their edits. I adjusted the article to state what the article does. TarnishedPathtalk08:14, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#79/81/82(TG/ALII/SMH): I'm going to assume the Evidence Act is mentioned by ALII?
c#83/84(SMH/AFR): Can't verify Besanko following it, IA doesn't work right now and AFR gives me what appears to be a fake/broken loading indicator. Travis Mulch (talk) 20:00, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
IA was giving me troubles yesterday also. It's working now. For the AFR article, it will look exactly the same through IA. However, you can access the AFR article through archive.md. Unfortunately we can't use archive.md links anymore as it is depreciated and blacklisted. TarnishedPathtalk08:26, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Civil trial and judgement(Paragraphs 12-19; starting from "Besanko found that four murder allegations...")
c#96(ABC): The whole Brereton Report thing is unsourced and probably needs something added.
You're correct. I'll need to preferably find more sourcing. This is kind of important detail and I'd rather not remove it. There's a good chance this was sourced before and that when I did the massive reorganisation during the last FAC review that another citation got lost and is now in the wrong place. I'll look into this more after work. TarnishedPathtalk03:51, 14 October 2026 (UTC)reply
OK, I've found another citation which supports the Brereton Report bit. I've reworded and added some detail. Also changed from Brereton Report -> Brereton inquiry. The terms are often used interchangeably but the source uses inquiry, so I'll go with that. TarnishedPathtalk08:42, 14 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#100(AWM): Is the "Last updated" date enough to go off of to say it was in 2023?
I'll also note I won't be conducting a book review as originally planned, just to avoid taking up further time prior to a support. I still intend to finish the source review. travismulch02:31, 14 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Pledging to (for real this time) finish this review tomorrow, I've been getting buried. Apologies for the wait time. I hope that the rest of the FAC goes smoothly afterwards, the source review is usually the hardest part. travismulch01:51, 15 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#100/106(ABC/AFR): Are the "Full Court" and the court granting the extension supported by the AFR source? I couldn't access it.
From the ABC "Mr Roberts-Smith's legal team on Tuesday filed a notice of appeal in the Federal Court, after receiving an extension to the normal time frame within which to launch it."
From the AFR "The decorated war veteran this week pulled the trigger on his anticipated appeal against findings that he was a war criminal" and "The scope of the appeal – “on the whole of the judgment” – means the court might have to allocate three or more weeks for a hearing. Chief Justice Debra Mortimer may even decide to extend the usual Full Court bench from three to five judges."
AFR can be a pain to access if you don't have a paid subscription. The only way I've found around it using archive.md. Unfortunately, as I think I mentioned above, archive.md is blacklisted. I'll try and get the rest of this section done tonight. TarnishedPathtalk03:02, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#107(ABC): We don't mention a trial in the text, neither does the source; but the source doesn't say "hearing" either, so I think "decision" is most accurate.
c#111(SMH): The only time we mention Chris Dawson is that he refused to comment. Needs additional source to say RS received the medal from Dawson.
Every source I've just looked at is pretty much the same. Although we could logically assume that Dawson presented the medal, given that they were the governor and that it was at their house, I've removed mention of Dawson as none of the sources explicitly state that he presented it. TarnishedPathtalk10:55, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#54(TG): Sentence says "August 2024", while the source says ["Guardian Australia has confirmed Keelty resigned from the Order on 8 December last year,"]. Which is it?
c#117(TAge): Assuming "Roberts" refers to Emma; the sentence fragment "communications between Nick McKenzie's and Nine Entertainment's lawyers, and between Roberts-Smith and a friend of his ex-partner." is misphrased. There are two sides: McKenzie + his lawyers, and Scott + (Emma) Roberts. travismulch02:56, 16 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#127(SMH): Where does the section "which will include the further cost of the application to the High Court." come from? Additional source needed, maybe?
c#138/139(TAge/AFP): I'm not sure if the Operation Emerald-Argon link to the probe is as plainly described as the source text implies.
I've edited it to remove any claims of causation. Given TAge source was from 2023 and the AFP source is from this year, combining them in that manner was original research. TarnishedPathtalk06:21, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#144/145/146(OSI/ABC/9News): Are the "three charges of aid, abet, counsel, or procure an offence" a WP:CALC thing? I'm having a hard time figuring this one out.
No not a WP:CALC thing. Someone decided that they'd engage in classifying some of the charges in a manner which the sources don't (i.e., original research). I've adjusted the section of text to be closer to the source. TarnishedPathtalk07:05, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#152/153(TA/CDPP): Is "206 orders" cited to The Australian?
It is indeed. 'Judge Horan ruled that the 206 orders, described as “detailed and lengthy”, were appropriate to protect Mr Roberts-Smith’s right to a fair trial and for the proper administration of justice.' TarnishedPathtalk07:08, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#153/154(CDPP/TheN): Where does the "a week earlier" timeframe come from in the sources? Not needed if not relevant to the sources.
I've updated the wording to state they separated in January 2020 and that they had divorced by late 2020/early 2021. I've added a source for the separation date. I've removed a couple of the sources which weren't about the divorce. From the source I kept are the following bits of information "Relationship debut weeks after divorce finalised" and "The couple debuted their relationship in January, accompanying each other to the Magic Millions horse race on the Gold Coast." The source is dated June 9, 2021. TarnishedPathtalk08:38, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Public perceptions
c#157/158(WAT/fre): Can you cite a source which directly refers to the Australian Football League so we don't have to assume?
Couldn't find any I guess because all the sources which discuss it just state that he was the number one ticketholder for the Freo Dockers and that's an AFL team, so everyone would get the context. TarnishedPathtalk09:02, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#160(TSP): Article could not be accessed. Confirm claim is made.
From the source "Roberts-Smith served as deputy chair of Tony Abbott’s advisory committee on mental health." The source can be accessed through archive.md. TarnishedPathtalk09:06, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#156/167(ABC/AFR): Confirm if the $475,000 figure and telling PwC about the allegations is cited to AFR. I don't know what's up with this website and breaking for me.
For the $475,000 figure (from the AFR) "The barrister also said that he would be calling an expert accountant, Michael Potter, to estimate that Mr Roberts-Smith has lost approximately $475,000 worth of speaking gigs since the articles were published."
Regarding the PWC partnership offer and subsequent withdrawal (again the AFR) "Ben Roberts-Smith was offered a partnership at big four consulting firm PwC but withdrew from talks after the publication of stories that he claims defamed him and for which he wants millions in damages." and “After my client learned of the allegations … he informed that firm of accountants, and they agreed it would not be appropriate for him to move forward until the matter is cleared.” TarnishedPathtalk09:18, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
c#48(ABC): Can it be more explicitly said that the "reputation has been lowered" quote is attributed to Besanko in the cited sources? travismulch04:20, 16 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Actually the quote is the ABC summarising Besanko. I've adjusted it so that is clear. The "disgraced his country Australia and the Australian army by his conduct as a member of the SASR in Afghanistan" bit thought is a direct quote from Besanko, so no change there. TarnishedPathtalk09:34, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
(whew) @TarnishedPath, that's everything from me! If you have any further questions after everything's been addressed, ping me & let me know. As far as I'm concerned, I think I've done enough reading about war crimes for now. Very well-documented article overall! travismulch04:21, 16 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The article should not be a "featured article" in its current state.
The first few sections on the current page are too much like a CV.
He is mostly known for his alleged war [censored], but the page presents him as an award-winning hero.
The problem is mostly in the order of presentation. Most people are not going to read much of this very long page, and currently the things readers see first give a very distorted impression.
The alleged war [censored] that he is well known for are on the page, and presented in a somewhat neutral way, but they are buried towards the end, under positive or trivial things that usually get far less attention in reliable sources about this person.
I will try to suggest some specific improvements but it is very difficult to present something more balanced when the trial is pending, so I think this is a bad time to promote the page as a featured article.
The Southern Ocean (talk) 18:06, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Noleander and @Travis Mulch, have you done your own search for available sources or only examined what was already cited?
I was aware of this story for a few years before I first saw this page.
The page presents him in a much more positive light than most of the sources I saw before I found this page.
For comparison, I checked some sources that I don't habitually read, and they also talk about him more as a criminal than a hero.
Given the pending trial, the war [censored] parts need to be carefully neutral, but this is combined with a strong emphasis on his medals, so the combined impression is very distorted. The Southern Ocean (talk) 19:15, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@The Southern Ocean - I'm not aware of any WP:FAC rule that says articles cannot be nominated that cover current events that are unfolding, or may experience a major status change soon.
I agree that the subject of the article sounds like a real slimeball. But he has not been convicted of a crime yet, correct? Only found liable for a civil charge of defamation? If so, the article is bound by WP:BLPCRIME (a policy, not a mere guideline) and cannot go overboard on the accusation of murder. Let's say that a year from now, he is convicted of war crimes. At that point, the 1st sentence of the lead could say "... he was convicted of the war crime of murder .." etc.
At the moment, the article lead does tell readers about the accusations: "His reputation deteriorated following a 2023 Federal Court ruling in which a judge found that there was enough evidence, according to the standard required in Australian defamation law, to establish that he had murdered four unarmed Afghans and broken the rules of military engagement... reports emerged that he had killed an unarmed teenager and bullied other soldiers. .... In April 2026, Roberts-Smith was arrested and charged with five counts of the war crime of murder."
WP:FAC prefers that reviewers identify "actionable" changes that the nominator can make, so perhaps you could propose specific wording changes, fact placements, and missing sources. That would help the nominator address your concerns. Noleander (talk) 19:54, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Even with all that, claiming the war crime accusations are "buried" is incorrect. The lead section (a summary of the article) emphasizes the deterioration of reputation and "the murder of unarmed Afghans" in the first paragraph. The third discusses his conduct, dismissed defamation proceedings, and further dismissal of appeals. The fourth formally states he was charged with counts of committing war crimes and murder.
...Honestly, there's quite a bit more to unpack here, but this covers most of it. These replies, and this review, aren't at all appropriate, and this should be further discussed in the article's talk page, instead of here. I'm sure @TarnishedPath has a lot to say about this, too. travismulch20:03, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I'm gonna be honest here and double back, I was just trying to review a creek article when I got pinged about this so I don't want it to get unnecessarily heated or look like I'm about to make any personal attacks, since I already put a lot of work into reviewing this article. So, just to clarify: @The Southern Ocean, I don't think the rationale you've provided actually establishes the article fails the featured article criteria, to the point where it deserves an immediate oppose vote. But, this puts even more weight on your concern: you have to provide specific, actionable evidence, and also sources to defend that.
Structure is another question, because even if we're talking about someone charged with war crimes, the article has to discuss that person's life. It's not exactly fair to frame the rest of someone's life, for example, to criticize them in retrospect like (obvious hyperbole) "Hitler was a painter, and he was rejected from an art school, so he became a dictator..." Also, it's already been established ongoing events don't conflict with whether or not an article should be FA, as long as it doesn't lead to stability problems. travismulch20:38, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I disagree with Southern Ocean's comments and I think the article does well at maintaining a WP:NPOV on what is currently a highly controversial and polarising subject. Public opinion on the subject ranges widely from Australian hero to war criminal despite the lack of conviction, though this isn't really reflected in the media which tends to portray the latter end of the spectrum.
The lead accurately summarises the body of the article, and it would not be proper to wash over previous major biographical details in the wake of events that are simply more widely known. The lead follows a chronological order, which I believe is standard for articles, hence it would not make sense to move the war criminal stuff earlier in the lead or to give it more weight. Following early life, career, then later legal troubles is standard order and practice for these types of articles. WP:RECENTISM also applies here. SnowyRiver28(talk)22:05, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"RECENTISM" is a reason to avoid slogans like "most decorated living soldier", which appears once before the allegations, in The Australian in 2011, and hundreds of times after the allegations. The Southern Ocean (talk)
And a reason to avoid framing the whole article in a way that ignores the prior notable biographical details that have been overshadowed by recent events. SnowyRiver28(talk)06:15, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
They are notable enough to be included, but there is no way they should be shifted around to give more weight or priority to the war crime allegations. Bio articles are a complete snapshot of a subject’s life in chronological order. We do not go and retrospectively alter the weight or position of past events in favour of recent occurrences. It is unfortunate some readers don’t last longer than a few sentences into the lead, but it would seriously skew the article and create WP:WEIGHT and WP:NPOV issues if the order was to be flipped around. SnowyRiver28(talk)22:25, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@The Southern Ocean, one of the featured article criteria (see link provided by @Travis Mulch above) is that the article is well written. Another is that it adhere's to WP:NPOV. Prior to my nomination at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ben Roberts-Smith/archive1, the article was structured more themematically and I recieved specific feedback from @Peacemaker67 that the article being structured in that manner made it harder to read and that he couldn't support the nomination because he didn't think it met the well written criterion. As a consequence of that I restructured the article so that everything after the early life and education section and everythign before the public perception section is in chronological order as much as possible.
You may not know this, but the article about Roberts-Smith didn't come into existence in 2018 when McKenzie, Masters and others started exploring some of the discrepancies in the stories which lead to him being awarded medals. The article has been in existence since 2011 and his main reason for notablity is being one of Australia's most decorated soldiers. If he wasn't one of Australia's most decorated soldiers the current war crime proceedings wouldn't be getting anywhere as much attention as they are. There is, I believe, another soldier who's been charged with war crimes and that case gets almost no attention. I would encourage you to make any suggestions for improvements at Talk:Ben Roberts-SmithTarnishedPathtalk23:25, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Can I see what it looked like before the structure change? Currently it's not chronological and the order is inconsistent with other pages about people who have been awarded the same medals. The Southern Ocean (talk) 06:53, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I strongly disagree with @The Southern Ocean's comments; the article is well-written and well-sourced.
Sidenote: perhaps you (The Southern Ocean) were not interested in this kind of thing 1–2 decades ago, but Ben Roberts-Smith was very well-known long before the war crime allegations and was considered a national hero. He was one of the most decorated living soldiers in the country, and he was certainly "an award-winning hero" in the public eye for a long period of time. aesurias (she/her) (talk) 23:52, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
To be honest I'm not a fan of the bloke and prior to having a better understanding of WP:BLP, I argued to state in the lead that he's a war criminal in wikivoice on the basis of Besanko's judgment. I've learnt a bit since then. Realistically thought, and especially since he's been turned into a culture war issue, there's still a large portion of the population who think he's a national hero and reliable sourcing states it. It would be amis of us to not cover that and the article wouldn't be comprehensive in its coverage of him if we didn't. TarnishedPathtalk02:04, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I agree with this, I'm very much "not a fan of the bloke", but now I'm confused, because both your nominations give the opposite impression? They describe him as a medal winner only? Media Watch called him "Australia's most infamous alleged war criminal", and that was one of the milder descriptions I found in respected media from the political centre. The Southern Ocean (talk) 04:59, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
One doesn't need to be a fan of a subject to nominate them as either GANs or FACs. In fact, I've gotten articles about a number of neo-Nazis and other fringe figures to GA status. I'm not fan of any of them. I find the subject matter interesting.
Regarding Roberts-Smith, the article doesn't just describe him only as a medal winner. Given you just added a section sizes template to the talk page, you should be aware that the "Post-service career and war crime allegations" section contains 3,521 words out of the 5,697 words total for the article. Almost all of those 3,521 words are dedicated to the allegations against him. Looking at the military career section, the one which contains most of the prose about medals, that section is 1,201 words. I'm not sure if you've read the whole article? TarnishedPathtalk06:15, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
...You realize that FAC nomination descriptions have absolutely nothing to do with the article's content itself and anything can be freely written, right? travismulch22:13, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I haven't read every word yet, but most readers won't ever read all of it. That's my point. The part they will actually read is most likely to be the start, and an inattentive skim of that from a typical reader gives them "childhood, medal, medal, MBA, business executive". The war crime section is there, but most people won't get that far. The Southern Ocean (talk) 06:34, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I pointed this out to you before, @The Southern Ocean: the lead section is a summary of the article, and doesn't have to include a comprehensive account of events. I've also established the earlier claims you made about BRS's controversy & charges not being out in the open was false. So now, which is it? Should the article criticize his entire life in retrospect (no) or should it give a chronological account of his life (yes)? This feels like you're proposing a big "war crimes" section right underneath the lead for easier viewing. That's not how this works. travismulch22:11, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@TarnishedPath, If you can find sources to support "especially since he's been turned into a culture war issue" they should be included. That is a very important part of why he is getting much more media attention than Oliver Schultz. Some well referenced commentary on the culture war aspect would partly solve the bias issues that made me think this shouldn't be featured. The Southern Ocean (talk) 06:26, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
you can find sources to support "especially since he's been turned into a culture war issue" they should be included. I haven't seen anything like that in reliable secondary sources. That's my personal analysis, which I obviously wouldn't add to the article. If I had seen it, I would have added it. It would certainly be of relevance in the public perceptions section. TarnishedPathtalk07:05, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
There is a lot of media criticism from this week, broadly News Corp supporting him and ABC + Age / Herald tearing that to shreds, but I've not seen much on the broader long term political context. I think I've seen sources from this week that briefly mention Hanson or Reinhard support. The Southern Ocean (talk) 14:59, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@The Southern Ocean I just want to provide this argument's very simple answer: use Google(properly).
BRS is more known for being controversial than any sort of hero now. I'm sure some of the positive coverage has been removed in retrospect, but it hasn't all been. We can assume BRS became a controversial figure around 2017, so here's how you can verify this positive coverage for yourself:
Google "ben roberts-smith" (in quotation marks), go to "Tools", click "Any time", then "Custom range".
Set the "To" (up until...) date to "1/1/2017", then "Go".
Click the "News" tab or go through the search results.
I know how to use Google. That is almost exactly the search I was doing when I said, "I've searched for sources from the time he was allegedly a national hero, and not found much". I actually didn't get back as far as January 2017, I was stepping back in increments and the results got very sparse before I got back that far. I was searching for the slogans that he was supposedly "widely known as" and they are very uncommon before the accusations surfaced. Before I got back as far as 2017 the majority of results were recent articles that were in the "related articles" section of older articles that were not about him. The Southern Ocean (talk) 13:08, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"An automated filter has detected that you are adding a link to a deprecated source, considered generally unreliable after discussion by the community. References to these sources are generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist. Please cite a more reliable source instead. If the only source you can find for the claims is one of these deprecated sources then you should not add the content in question. ... If you have checked the policy on Wikipedia:Reliable sources and the deprecated source guidance (or checked at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard) and verified that your edit is one of the limited exceptions, then you may resubmit it by clicking "Publish changes" again. Please do not do this unless you have first verified that this specific use of the deprecated source has broad support, especially for biographical articles: deprecated sources are liable to be removed on sight and persistent addition can lead to editing restrictions."
Dozens of articles from reliable sources (as found in those search results) doesn't equate to "people barely notic[ing he] existed". Despite all this arguing, you still have not established exactly how this article can be said, for certain, not to meet the Featured article criteria. I've already dedicated a significant amount of time into reviewing the sources (familiarize yourself with the process; a "source review" does not (always) mean "I will look for uncited articles".)travismulch16:09, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I didn't expect that searching for other sources was obligatory, that's why I asked. It's quite a reasonable question when you say your knowledge of him is all from Wikipedia.
But my point was about the relative weight of the older vs newer articles. There's nearly a decade of articles about him as an alleged war criminal, and from that, currently everyone in the country knows who he is.
Before that he was an obscure figure who was only of interest to a niche audiences. He was not a "national hero" or universally respected. Almost nobody was calling him that till the recent culture war mess.
"It's quite a reasonable question when you say your knowledge of him is all from Wikipedia."
Sorry, what? I went through over 100 articles about the guy during the source review, I think it's safe to say that I don't just know him from the article's text. Also your definition of "due weight" continues to clash with Wikipedia's actual policy about it. travismulch23:01, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Don't misrepresent my point out of context. That was about the question I asked regarding searching for uncited sources I asked that because it appeared that every source you read was something you found on the page. I never said you only read the page itself. You've now found praise for him before most people in Australia knew he existed but you've not shown any of it. Your assertion on this doesn't match what I found. When I clicked through to what the search results actually said, most of it was retrospective praise from the 2020s in the "related articles" on older articles about other topics. Southern Ocean (talk) 06:34, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Criteria, briefly
"well-researched"
It is mostly based on news reports and omits academic sources.
"comprehensive"
Some key aspects are missing. Others are given less emphasis than warranted compared to the majority of reliable sources.
"neutral"
The order the information is presented is a problem.
So are the headings.
It does not reflect the majority of reliable sources.
He is known as a probable war criminal. His Military career section needs to put equal or greater emphasis on his alleged [censored] compared to his medals. Currently his career overview is all labelled by medals.
@Southern Ocean, you yet again sidestep the question where I ask if BRS's entire life should be criticized in retrospect, and I've already explained that isn't allowed. I've also yet to see any sources defending the viewpoints you've shown. You linked to one article that was already being discussed by someone else, and that's it. When will we see sources? What are the "key" or "less emphas[ized]" aspects, that you can demonstrate by providing reliable sources, that are missing? Can you demonstrate these academic articles have missing information which the article doesn't? The mere existence of academic articles doesn't imply they have more to tell. travismulch23:06, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I've been listing sources and more detailed improvements on the talk page, where the nom told me to put them. The academic articles are not very numerous but give a very different perspective to recent headlines calling him a hero.
The criticism of BRS is not "in retrospect", it is the first thing he was widely known for, but the vast majority of the praise is retrospective.
There are a few things missing, but the main problems are order, emphasis, and attribution. The military career section should include his alleged [censored] with equal or greater weight than his awards. The subsection names in the Ben Roberts-Smith#Military career timeline should be neutral, not awards or [censored]. Biography pages usually list awards at the end. As I already said on the talk page, even people known for their awards don't have large sections named after awards. For example there's no section named "Nobel Prize" on Francis Crick. There is a section about the Peace Prize for Malala Yousafzai, but that is near the end, and I cannot find any good biography pages that have long sections named after awards that appear before the most important information. There are several with long sections for Victoria Cross, but these are short poor quality pages from a mass import of content from military history project outside Wikipedia.
His past achievements are trivial compared to his [censored]. An example of the same concept is the Killing of JonBenét Ramsey. Before her death she was of interest to a small and controversial subset of the population, but there's not a section for every prize she won, there's one paragraph. There wasn't a page about her before her murder, because Wikipedia didn't exist in the 1990s. Before the "controversy" section appeared for BRS there were only 20 sources on the page, they are mostly newspapers (Wikipedia: What Wikipedia is not), the news is disproportionately News Corp (Wikipedia: POV). The most heavily used sources are primary sources (WIKIPEDIA: primary sources) such as media releases. It was a poor quality page about a person whom most Australians did not know or care about. Before the controversy the page was citing the department of defence and the daily mail.
There is nearly a decade of criticism, with early sources using the pseudonym "Leonidas". Whereas, at the time it was nominated, the sources the page was citing claiming he was "respected" and "widely regarded" as a "national hero" were all from the 2020s. The sources that claim he was a "national hero" are almost all after the accusations. So this doesn't belong unattributed in the first paragraph.
A phrase like "most decorated" is warranted because it's somewhat factual, but phrases like "national hero" don't belong on a wiki page without attribution. Usually you'd say who said it, but in this case it's more important to say when, e.g. "after the accusations media frequently described him as a former national hero".
When I looked for sources from the 2010s, the only instance that I can find of "national hero" is an apology about comments where he was called handsome, brainless, "bloodthirsty", and a possible "dud root". The phrase "dud root" is possibly more common than "national hero" in the 2010s. "Dud root" is crass slang, and doesn't warrant inclusion, but he was clearly not universally "respected". The discourse around that also indicates that many people barely knew who he was. The backlash to the comments wasn't universal, it came from a small subset of the population, mostly men and mostly people with connections to the military. I can get dozens of sources for that if you want. At a minimum you need to attribute the retrospective praise that shows up in the 2020s. Southern Ocean (talk) 06:19, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Noting that I wholeheartedly disagree with, genuinely, every single thing stated above. The JonBenét Ramsey comparison is bizarre. None of these changes would be appropriate at all. aesurias (she/her) (talk) 07:13, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Ramsey was a hyperbolic example of the concept. The ratios are different, the minority who previously noticed him were larger, and the increase in sources is smaller, his old stuff warrants more than one paragraph, but it's the same concept. Southern Ocean (talk) 18:41, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Further BLP violations will result in a block, Southern Ocean. Most of your above criticisms are not well-founded and not IAW policy or reflective of Wikipedia norms for biographies of prominent soldiers. I’ve written and successfully taken to FAC a dozen VC recipients, and I have reviewed this article at length. While there are obviously improvements to make, the criticism above is misguided IMHO. But the BLP violations have to stop, now. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:04, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Sure, my apologies about my tardiness with the last review, and with my extended absence. I may get time to look at this in the next week. I have it on my watchlist and will monitor this page as well. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:36, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I compared to the other VCs and "Medal of Honor". I cannot find any where a section named after either comes before the largest section and or the thing they are known for? It's sometimes long, but usually last or second last. I've looked at politicians with military history, they list "Military service" before the politics, for chronology, but awards are after. Southern Ocean (talk) 19:34, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I see it on a lot of talk pages, so I thought it was ok. I looked for examples and I couldn't find any people saying it directly in the discussion, so I probably remembered wrong or misinterpreted details and, and I will speak more carefully. But I did find a huge number of biography pages about people who have no convictions have a big "criminal biography" label in the boxes at the top of the talk page. I found heaps of examples, I won't write a huge list, because everything I found was that same label. One example is David Hicks, he is the same nationality as BRS and a similar age. That page says "In 2012, his conviction was overturned". If it's about convicted or not convicted then "criminal biography" should be on the talk pages for both Hicks and BRS, or neither, or possibly only BRS because his was a civil court ruling based on a balanced of probability, whereas Hicks had his conviction explicitly undone. Southern Ocean (talk) 12:20, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
FAC coords, IMHO this is a blatant case of WP:CIR for an editor to be supporting or opposing promotion. The lack of understanding about process, sourcing and article construction is clear from the above and the article TP. I suggest ignoring this oppose unless something defensible and substantive is raised. Nothing above meets that level in my view. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:18, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
CIR means competence is required. Not that it’s optional. Deciding to try out reviewing at FAC for the first time on a highly controversial BLP isn’t the best idea, and your comments are clearly not reflective of what is required at FAC. For example, your assertions about what is and isn’t appropriate or common practice on VC articles just isn’t right. There are plenty of Australian VCs that are FAs that you could look at to compare with this. Might I suggest Arthur Blackburn or Harry Murray. Further, your comments have also clearly breached BLP policy, and failing to understand or comply with the rules on BLPs is not only a competency issue, it is a sure sign you will be blocked if you continue. If you haven’t read the BLP policy in detail, I strongly suggest you do that. I would also suggest you do some GAN reviewing on non-BLPs first so you get a better idea of reviewing before you take on an article of this nature. Regards, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 19:58, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
VC articles are extremely inconsistent with the majority of other biography pages. I have looked at many examples and I found that this is the result of a mass import project that took information from an project outside Wikipedia. There is a reason this group of pages don't look like balanced encyclopedia articles. In most cases this is excusable because there are hundreds of pages and most have not had much work done on them, there is no good excuse for BRS to be this way. Southern Ocean (talk) 03:28, 4 November 2026 (UTC)reply
The main problem with this page is that it fails NPOV, so an uncontroversial page would not be very useful practice. If there are any nominations for similar controversies that are not biographies of living people maybe they'd be interesting and useful practice. I missed a key part of the BLP rules but I recognise my error and I'll be very cautious in any ambiguous scenarios. Southern Ocean (talk) 04:38, 4 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the examples. Arthur Blackburn and Henry Murray are two articles that now look like balanced encyclopedia articles, I wasn't able to find any examples on the list when trying to check one at a time. Those pages do NOT have a section named "Victoria Cross". I think all of my suggestions above also make the nominated page look more like those? If you have any other constructive specific feedback – beyond ad hominem about competence – I will appreciate it and use it to improve my first attempt. Southern Ocean (talk) 04:44, 4 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Mostly good, except the retrospective praise "national hero". That is supported by only one source, and that's from 2023. That's not enough to support such a controversial claim about the views of over 27 million people.
There are a number of adjacent paragraphs that start in a similar manner. Especially in the Post-service career and war crime allegations section, where a large proportion of paragraphs start with a date. These paragraph's should be varied. There's also the issue that the paragraphs seem to be grouped by the date/month the event occurred rather than grouped by related developments. I think there's scope to merge some paragraphs and reorganise the structure of the article in a thematic way, while still keeping the article roughly chronological but not strictly chronological. Steelkamp (talk) 01:09, 5 November 2026 (UTC)reply
@Steelkamp, I'll have a look at those paragraphs which start with a date and vary them a bit. In regards to organising the structure in more of a thematic manner, that's how it was done previously and I had feedback (from @Peacemaker67 in particular) that it was confusing and that I should structure it chronologically. TarnishedPathtalk01:49, 5 November 2026 (UTC)reply
The Byzantines played several important roles in the Crusading movement. A Byzantine request for military assistance prompted the First Crusade; later, large crusading armies passed through Byzantine territory, while the Byzantine Empire and its successor states themselves became targets of crusading campaigns. Eventually, crusades were also proclaimed to defend Byzantine territories. The article aims to give a concise overview of the Byzantines' role in the Crusading movement and of how relations between Byzantium and Catholic Europe affected both sides. Any comments or suggestions for improving the article would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much for your time and consideration. Borsoka (talk) 12:06, 30 September 2026 (UTC)reply
MSincccc
I won't be able to do a full review, but I've made a few revisions.
Could you please add the relevant language template to the mainspace ("Use... English")?
Thank you for your note and revisions. I believe the text is written in British English using Oxford spelling, so I have added the corresponding template. Borsoka (talk) 02:07, 1 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I will have a go at reviewing this article. I might be a bit out of my depth so feel free to ignore any dumb suggestions.
Background
"The Byzantine Empire was, as the historian Peter Lock observes, "in every sense the heir and embodiment of the Roman Empire"" - This feels a bit non-neutral. Weren't their other states that claimed to be Rome's successor? It's not really for us to judicate on how many particles of Romanness you need in order to be "in every sense" its "heir and embodiment".
I appreciate the concern about neutrality, though I am not entirely persuaded that the sentence is problematic in this respect. It does, of course, reflect a scholarly point of view, but the underlying claim rests on the substantial institutional, political and ideological continuity between the Later Roman Empire and what is conventionally termed the Byzantine Empire. The sentence neither excludes nor diminishes other claims to Roman heritage. Indeed, the text later acknowledges that Western rulers likewise claimed the Roman legacy and that they regarded the Byzantine emperors as "emperors of the Greeks". In that context, I regard the sentence as a neutral summary of a well-established historical interpretation rather than as an endorsement of one claimant over another.
"associated their empire with the Oikoumene, or the civilised world" - Could this be made clearer?
Explained.
"The emperors were widely regarded as God's representatives on earth." - Be more specific here (e.g. "emperors were regarded by the Byzantine people").
The view of the emperor as God’s earthly representative was by no means confined to the Byzantines themselves. For centuries, for example, the popes acknowledged the Byzantine emperors claim to confirm their election.
"Among them, the bishops of Rome, styled popes, enjoyed honorary primacy but were expected to act as imperial officials." - This sentence feels rather confusing. Who are the bishops of Rome?
I am sorry, but I am not sure I understand your concern.
The bishops of Rome are the popes, historically as well as today, and are linked accordingly. The linked article explicitly says: "The pope is the bishop of Rome ..." Borsoka (talk) 14:56, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"By the mid-ninth century, the Carolingian Empire had divided into smaller, decentralised states, including France and Germany.[16] A renewed imperial project emerged under the German king Otto I, crowned emperor in 962, but the Holy Roman Empire remained politically fractured.[17]" - Clarify that "Germany" is the same entity as the Holy Roman Empire.
No, Germany and the Holy Roman Empire are not the same entity. I have, however, explained the term in the text.
What entity are you referring to as "Germany" in the first sentence if not the Holy Roman Empire? It might be helpful to link the contemporary versions of both Germany and France.--Llewee (talk) 10:41, 2 October 2026 (UTC)reply
To the Kingdom of Germany (which was not identical with the Holy Roman Empire). Both France and Germany linked.
"As the medievalist John France notes, this Western elite "generated numerous young sword for hire", - I feel like this quote is too metaphorical to be especially illuminating for the reader.--Llewee (talk) 18:10, 1 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Rephrased.
Thank you very much for beginning such a comprehensive and thorough review. I hope that my responses above have addressed the concerns raised so far. Borsoka (talk) 02:56, 2 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Apologies Borsoka , I haven't had a chance to carry on with this as my FAC suddenly received a burst of attention. I will make sure I add some comments by the end of tomorrow.--Llewee (talk) 23:10, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Prelude to the First Crusade
"yet within fifty years, it faced mounting threats." - Presumably the "mounting threats" are the various outside groups attacking, so maybe it would be more natural to discuss them before reasons for the decline?
Rephrased.
"institutional shortcomings, and intellectual stagnation" - These points feel very vague, especially the second one.
I do not think this article is the appropriate place for a detailed explanation of the Byzantine Empire's crises. In my view, the points are sufficiently general to provide readers with the essence of scholarly explanations.
"prompting Pope Leo IX to seek an alliance despite ecclesiastical tensions." - Between the papacy and Byzantium?
Rephrased.
"fostered Western ideas of just war" - It's not clear if this means the ideas were developing in the west or spreading to Byzantium.
Deleted.
"Thereafter, Western Christians conceived the respublica christiana—the Christian world—as divided between two empires ... but united under the papacy". - This idea of unity feels a bit incongruous with us being told that there had been "mutual excommunications" between the two sides.
Rephrased.
"A Byzantine embassy to Rome in 1062 reportedly mentioned an expedition to Jerusalem." - Could it be made clearer why this is significant? Perhaps in a footnote?--Llewee (talk) 23:59, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"Although Urban stressed the defence of eastern Christians, for most participants the liberation of Jerusalem became the chief aim" - Surely these points are quite overlapping?--Llewee (talk) 23:08, 19 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Not necessarily. For instance, the populations of the Byzantine Empire and Greater Armenia were predominantly eastern Christian, despite living hundreds of miles from Jerusalem.
"The crusaders' plundering of the suburbs..." - Is this all the people's crusaders or just the second batch?
Both groups.
"The official crusading armies entered Byzantine territory from several directions between October 1096 and April 1097." - I assume the "official crusading armies" are the ones recruited at the Council of Clermont? If so could that be made clearer?
I see your point, but by "official crusading armies", I mean those that departed after the date set by Pope Urban II, as opposed to the People's Crusade. I think the context makes this clear, particularly as the preceding section explain that many had set out before the appointed date.
Bit of a minor note, but why is this titled "Byzantium during the Crusading movement" instead of "Byzantine Empire during the Crusading movement"? I know the empire was called Byzantium, but it's also defined as the Greek city early on, which may be confusing for unfamiliar readers.
Byzantium in the Crusading movement. I prefer the short form as it seems sufficiently established in scholarly usage in this context, as illustrated by the title of Harris's cited work.
Islamic Caliphate – WP:EGG? Is there a reason we don't just call it the Rashidun caliphate? It's not like there are non-Muslim caliphs, right?
The Rashidun Caliphate is defined as an "early Islamic polity" in the linked article, so the wikilink is unlikely to surprise our readers.
If I wrote We ate [[Eggs as food|food]], that would be correct in the same way this is correct. There were several early Islamic polities, each of which different in substantial ways, and it helps the reader orient themselves when you're more specific. I wouldn't object to linking it as first Islamic caliphate, if you prefer that wording. ThaesOfereode (talk) 18:58, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Only insofar as a reader with less background on the ecclesiastical history of the Church might not understand why every patriarchate is being linked except Rome's, especially given the overall prominence of the Holy See in this article. In either event, not a dealbreaker, just something to consider. ThaesOfereode (talk) 18:58, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Muslim rulers classified Christians as dhimmis – Weird formatting. I would either bring the s into italics or use the Arabic plural ʾahl adh-dhimma. Alternatively, reword and just use the system name dhimma.
including disputes over iconoclasm – Use the link to write "an iconoclasm" to avoid WP:EGG. I think "the" iconoclasm is more associated with Calvin's followers, but then again I have more background in Reformation-era history.
Rephrased.
Although iconoclasm ended → Although the iconoclasm ended –?
excommunications – Given that these were mutual excommunications, I would just link excommunication instead of specifically the Catholic form, right? The later excommunication by Gregory VII could take this Catholic link on.
I am not sure "eastern Christians" of the text equals to Eastern Christians, and the latter is linked in the first section.
non-combatants – Meaning civilians or military support staff (e.g., logistics, armor repair)?
Both.
Byzantines called them Frangoi ('Franks') – I would use the phrase "the crusaders generally" (vel sim) instead of "them" here since it makes sense that they would call people from the Carolingian Empire Franks. Also, I should've mentioned this before, but is there a reason you're leaving the Greek-language text out? My instinct would be to do something like Byzantines described the crusaders generally "Franks" (Φρᾰ́γγοι, Frangoi).
I am not sure that a text in the Greek alphabet is useful for our readers.
northern France and eastern Germany – Modern or contemporary nations (e.g., Francia)?
Both.
Optionally gloss where modern Niš is. As an aside, do we prefer the modern Serbian spelling here?
I would avoid glossing settlements. I changed the spelling.
Their plundering of the suburbs prompted Alexios to move them into Anatolia – Whose plundering? Alexios moved whom to Anatolia? I'm guessing that Crusading forces plunder of the Niški suburbs prompted Alexios to move (retreat?) his own forces into Anatolia, but this should be clearer if that's the case.
They were almost entirely destroyed – So the Crusaders clash with Byzantine forces and plunder the area around Niš, the Byzantines are routed back into Anatolia, where they are obliterated by Rûm? Am I following this correctly? A quick look at the Battle of Civetot seems to indicate that I am not.
I hope now it is clear.
Byzantine authorities intercepted communications between the crusading armies and required them to camp outside the city. Skirmishes between crusading and Byzantine troops were frequent, and Bohemond even proposed attacking Constantinople. Emperor Alexios required the crusading leaders to swear oaths to restore former Byzantine territories.
Rephrased.
The relationship between the Crusaders and the Byzantines is unclear to me, though I suspect that's a feature of the complicated situation on the ground at this time. Are the Crusaders and Byzantines allied, even nominally? Like, I get that they are mutually reliant on each other to some degree based on the previous section, but to what extent are the leading parties actively cooperating? Are these "skirmishes" actual battles or are they more akin to bar fights between different cultural groups causing unrest in populated areas? The subterfuge of intercepting communications makes sense regardless of the Byzantine–Crusader relationship, but how are the Byzantines able to dictate where Crusaders were allowed to stay and how they were supposed to "reclaim" Anatolia, while getting into enough conflict with the Crusaders that we are talking about their "skirmishes" even in this relatively broad overview?
Sorry, I am not sure I understand your concern: after the crusaders entered Byzantine territory, they were continuously guided by Byzantine troops across the Balkans towards Anatolia, so skirmishes between them and the Byzantines were inevitable, but finally the leaders agreed to swear oath to restore Byzantine territories. Which part of the story is unclear?
You'll have to excuse my ignorance on the topic, so please bear with me. I understand how these skirmishes ended with the oaths, but I guess I'm at a loss for how the Byzantines and the Crusaders were cooperating at all before then. If I hired a guide to get from one side of a mountain to the other safely and he attacked me a quarter of the way up and I retaliated halfway up, it seems unlikely we would ever reach our destination; either he would drop me as a client or I would drop him as a guide. Did the Crusaders view the Byzantines as their only lifeline to get to and from the Holy Land? Later in the article, Byzantines negotiated passage but "clashes in the Balkans proved unavoidable". Why are they unavoidable? Why do the Crusaders seem to just randomly attack Byzantine settlements? I feel that I am missing a sense of the word "guide" or something. ThaesOfereode (talk) 18:43, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
After eight weeks, a Byzantine flotilla cut supply lines, forcing the defenders to surrender to Alexios. – Wait, whose supply lines? This seems to indicate that Crusaders took Nicaea from the Turks and then had their supply lines cut by the Byzantines. If that's right, see above. If this is Byzantine support for the sieging Crusaders, then that needs to be clearer.
Rephrased.
By contrast, Baldwin of Boulogne, Godfrey's brother, and Tancred, Bohemond's nephew, established garrisons in Cilician fortresses seized during a secondary campaign. – What contrast am I supposed to be aware of here? Seems like "meanwhile" would be better, if the timeline matches up.
They recovered Ankyra – Looks like that link needs help.
Fixed. Good spot!
There are at least two spellings for modern-day Durrës used (Dyrrhachium and Dyrrachium). Both links lead to Durrës, but I'm not sure which the topic's literature prefers.
Emperor Alexios died of illness – Is there a reason Alexios gets this (rather vague) note about his death, while Tancred and Bertrand don't? Not sure the "of illness" really telegraphs much.
John's younger brother, Isaac Komnenos, defected from the empire – Bear with me again, but I'm struggling to figure out why Isaac is important, why he courted both Muslims and Christians (and to what end), and why his failure signaled anything to John, much less why "concerns" were "heightened" (what concerns? Heightened how?). Given that this Isaac (I think?) does not appear again on this page, we may relegate him to the "See also" section or delete him entirely.
Deleted.
for Byzantine intervention – Military intervention? This appears to be setting up the following section about pushing the Armenians back, but "intervention" here is out of place and needs to be contextualized. It might even be better to move this sentence to the following paragraph after the intervention has been identified and explained.
Rephrased.
a promise to cede Antioch – For the benefit of those who might not be that good at keeping track of who is holding what when, can you articulate who promised to cede Antioch? Especially since this seems more like a trade rather than the cost of losing a war.
Rephrased.
Raymond and Joscelin II of Edessa joined John's campaign against Aleppo – Wait, how was someone promised Aleppo and then they had to join forces to take it less than a year later? Was it taken in the meantime?
No, the text does not imply that the city was it whenever taken by the Franks or the Byzantines.
heightened fears of a coordinated western attack – Capitalize "Western" as has been done before.
Done.
Raymond of Antioch fell at the Battle of Inab – Probably best to use "died", both per MOS:EUPH and clarity (i.e., died and didn't just lose his reign). Also, seems better to keep him as "of Poitiers" for consistency, no?
I have revised the reference to his death, but I would prefer to retain ‘of Antioch’ at this point to make clear that he fought in his capacity as Prince of Antioch.
Link Sebastokrator. Also, use grc (or grc-x-byzant or grc-x-medieval, as warranted; other possibilities listed at TM:Lang), not el, for the {{lang}} code.
Done.
Manuel's grandnephew Isaac Komnenos – You might add a note about how this is a different Isaac Komnenos than the previous listed one, if the previous Isaac hasn't been removed from the article.
alleged that Isaac II – Is this supposed to be Angelos? You refer to him simply as Isaac in the following sentence.
Yes, this refers to Isaac Angelos, and I do not think it is necessary to identify him again within the same paragraph.
anti-Byzantine leaders such as the Serbian Stefan Nemanja – I would rephrase this as either anti-Byzantine leaders such as the Serbian leader (vel sim) Stefan Nemanja or anti-Byzantine leaders such as Stefan Nemanja in/of Serbia; the terms Serb vs Serbian can be fraught.
I would not regard this as a euphemism, as the term is widely used in this context in scholarly literature. Its meaning is also explained in the section "Council of Clermont".
5,000 pounds of gold – Unless this is a currency specifically, I might recommend {{convert}} here.
It is not entirely clear which unit of weight known as the "pound" is intended here.
{{transliteration|he|[[Alamanikon]]}} – Hebrew?? This is clearly Greek.
Papal supremacy and papal primacy are two different concepts. Both the Orthodox and Catholic churches recognize (their own interpretations of) primacy, so of what importance was Isaac II and John X's letter?
Yes, they are slightly different concept, but in this case they acknowledged papal primacy.
This identity found expression in rhetoric that replaced "Romans" with "Hellenes" – I always screw this up, but should these be italicized instead of quoted per MOS:WAW?
I do not know, but for me the quoted terms look more natural in this context.
promised absolution to those who fell – MOS:EUPH, as above
Done.
a stance in clear tension with traditional Byzantine theology – I guess not really mandatory, but a footnote might be helpful here. You could argue calls to violence are contrary to all Christian theology (big asterisk), but it's not clear why this would be contrary to Byzantine theology as opposed to Catholic theology. Also, not sure "Byzantine theology" is all that useful; probably best to identify them as Orthodox.
This theme is covered in section "Background" and note 3.
depended largely on western assistance – Capitalize, as above.
Done.
A letter of 7 November 1204 from Innocent III already refers to "lay crusaders" serving in the Latin army. – Not sure what I'm supposed to be getting out of this. What is a "lay crusader"? Why does that indicate that the Empire's existence relied on Western support? What does this have to do with the Pope's support?
I am not sure I understand your concern. The term "lay crusaders" simply refers to crusaders who were not members of the clergy, that is, laypeople who were entitled to the privileges granted by the papacy to participants in crusading expeditions.
I would rephrase to something like Innocent III already explains that lay crusaders were serving in the Latin army; the quotes are unnecessary and using refer here gives the impression that what Innocent meant was not 100% known. Still, the other two questions remain. ThaesOfereode (talk) 23:28, 24 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Rephrased.
Ayyubid rivalries strengthened the Crusader states, allowing crusading energies to be directed against other enemies of Latin Christendom. – Is this saying that the Ayyubid's rivalries with others strengthened the Crusader states (presumably by keeping the pressure off them)? Or is it saying that the Latin rivalry with the Ayyubids garnered support from the West? In either event, a reword could provide clarity.
Rephrased.
western access to the Holy Land – Capitalize, as above unless this is strictly about access from the west (i.e., the cardinal point) to the Holy Land.
Done.
He also released participants from prior pilgrimage vows, except those to the Holy Land, thereby establishing a precedent for commuting vows – Link Crusade vow somewhere in here unless you've already linked it elsewhere.
He is already linked in section "Latin consolidation".
defeated the expedition near Dyrrachium – Maybe use "defeated the crusade" here instead of expedition, since expedition is (in my experience) usually used of campaigns rather than entire wars; it just sounds like Theodore crushed one front of the larger crusade. If that's the intended usage, "an expedition" would be more useful phrasing. Also, can we say what year this defeat occurred in to frame the overall scope of this endeavor?
Western crusade theorists – Not sure I understand what "theorist" is supposed to indicate here.
I am not sure I understand your concern. The term "theorists" is used here in its usual sense, referring to individuals who reflect on various aspects of a particular subject (in this case, crusading) and have authored at least one work devoted to it.
which sparked a civil war between – Is there a reason "between" is linked instead of "a" (like you did with the Holy League)?
I would rather avoid hyperlinking articles, if possible.
In 1378, the election of two popes, Urban VI and Clement VII, began the Western Schism, with rival papal lines in Rome and Avignon – Link either Avignon Papacy or just Avignon. Might be worth linking the 1378 conclave.
"Avignon" and "Avignon Papacy" have been linked, but the "1378 conclave" cannot be linked naturally in this context.
Is there a reason the Long Campaign is quoted nor redlinked?
Long Campaign is presently redirected to the Crusade of Varna article which is mentioned in the same sentence.
Seeking western aid – Caps
Done.
provoked local opposition – Popular opposition or within the local leadership?
reports of the massacre of thousands of inhabitants – Kind of awkward. Not mandatory but can I suggest reports that thousands of inhabitants had been massacred?
Rephrased.
alluding to the cultural destruction that followed the Ottoman conquest – Linking Cultural genocide is probably too much here, yeah?
Yes.
He also warned that Ottoman expansion would threaten Hungary and Germany – Did use the term Germany? Seems anachronistic, but I'm not an expert of this period.
No, it is not anachronistic. The Kingdom of Germany did exist, although it was a highly fragmented realm.
camara sanctae cruciatae – I recommend glossing this. You and I know what it means because we can read Latin, but your reader may not. Also, caps?
Glossed. The source uses lowercase letters.
Although printing helped disseminate crusade bulls, increased papal taxation aroused resentment – Who was the papacy taxing?
Done.
recruited by the Franciscan friar John Capistrano – Link Franciscans?
his former brother-in-law, the Kaisar John Roger – There's a WP:SOB violation here. It's not the most important thing in the world, but if you can find a way to reword it, I recommend it.
As the first term is italicised, I think this resolves the issue.
Aaaand that's all I got. I apologize for the length of this review, both in size and time. It should not be taken as a negative reflection of this work, which is an extraordinary and well-written achievement, nor a criticism of its density. I think it is perfectly suited for its intended audience per WP:ONEDOWN; I just happen to be two down for this topic in some respects. Send me a ping when you've addressed the above and we'll get this article another support. Well done. ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:10, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
It's great to see a high quality article on this important topic at FAC. The article covers a big complex topic remarkably well, and I have only some minor comments:
"or adversary" - 'and adversary' might work better here
Done.
"In foreign affairs, Byzantium preferred diplomacy over warfare, using wealth, titles, and elaborate ceremonies to manage rivals" - this might be a bit simplistic, given the Byzantines also fought (usually skilfully) when they needed to and were a major military power. Historians often note that the Byzantines had a good understanding that it was usually cheaper and easier to buy off or placate rivals, and only fought when they had to.
Done.
The para starting with "Byzantine power declined under pressure" should probably acknowledge the impact of the final war with Persia, which left both empires exhausted at the time of the Arab conquests
The Sasanians are already mentioned in the sentence.
" Hugh of Vermandois was blown off course " - should this be tweaked to something like 'the force led by Hugh of Vermandois was blown off course while travelling by sea...'
Rephrased.
"but his fleet of eight vessels could not prevent the main Ottoman army crossing from Anatolia into Europe during the Crusade of Varna" - I'd suggest giving readers a feel for how inadequate this fleet would have been for this task
Rephrased.
Can material on Islamic perspectives be added to the 'Historiography' section?
Islamic perspectives on the Crusading movement are covered in that article, but I am not aware of any separate discussion of the Byzantine role in the movement in the works of Muslim authors.
Excellent work. There are many, many names that one have to remember that makes it challenging to read, but I have no idea how to further improve it in terms of readability. Still, I think the main points come across pretty well despite all this detail.
Hugh of Vermandois was blown off course near Dyrrachium and escorted to Constantinople – Did he travel by ship?
Rephrased.
relief force under Kilij Arslan – maybe add "Sultan of Rum" here again; if the reader does not remember this name, they won't know against which fraction the crusaders are fighting here at all, and who was defending Nicaea.
Alternative solution.
Three 12th-century historians, however, offer differing explanations – Not clear to me: explanations for what?
Done.
That year, Bohemond II arrived in Antioch and married Baldwin II's daughter, Alice, but Danishmendid forces killed him in 1130. Baldwin again assumed the regency, – Not sure if this is about Antioch or Jerusalem? He assumed the regency of Jerusalem right? Maybe add "in Jerusalem" if that's the case.
Done.
Offended by his sister's rejection, Raymond III of Tripoli – Here you lost me again; it's a bit hard to make the connection here, the sister seems to be Maria?
Reworded.
Isaac, having lost support, was deposed and blinded by his brother Alexios III Angelos in April 1195. – I thought he was captured by the English, as you said earlier? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 06:06, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
No, this Isaac is Isaac Angelos, while the one captured by the English is Isaac Komnenos.
This article is about a writer who was so prolific people seem to have just stopped counting. Kho Ping Hoo was a writer active from 1957 until his death in 1994, and in that period he turned out well over a hundred martial arts stories. However, he is quite unknown in the English speaking world; Kho's novels were primarily read by the lower class, and Western scholars have focused more on the belles lettres. This article provides a detailed examination of Kho Ping Hoo and his oeuvre, drawing on a range of Indonesian and English-language sources. —Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:39, 30 September 2026 (UTC)reply
WP:CITEUNSEEN is giving me 24 books/journals, 1 government source (Ensiklopedia Sastra Indonesia), 8 news sources, and 2 unknown links (which are Tempo (Indonesian magazine) and Jawa Pos). The news sources are well-established Indonesian news outlets (The Jakarta Post and Kompas), as far as I can tell.
However, I must ask: is the Ensiklopedia Sastra Indonesia a high-quality, reliable source? From what I can tell, it's equivalent to the Infopedia, an online encyclopaedia published by the National Library Board, in my topic area. I've written my thoughts on the Infopedia elsewhere, but to give a summary, the Infopedia is at the lower end of reliability since most of its articles are outdated and its integration of sources is limited. Looking at the Ensiklopedia Sastra Indonesia article, I see that it cites no sources, nor does it give an indication of when it was last updated.
To the best I've been able to ascertain, this appears to be a digitized version of a printed encyclopedia (well, Volume I of said encyclopedia), similar to the Encyclopedia of Jakarta that we have used on some previous FAs. Given that the subject died well before the encyclopedia was published, and the main biographical sources were as well, I do not believe any information would be obsolete to the point of not being citable. —Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:01, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I see that there's a good chunk of Indonesian-language sources, followed by English sources – this makes sense since this is a largely Indonesian subject. Are any of the authors you cited wuxia scholars? If not, then did Kho receive any attention from wuxia scholars?
Suryadinata deals somewhat with Indonesian wuxia (cerita silat), but I have not found any sort of comparative study. Given the language difference, I can't say I'm surprised.—Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:01, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I've taken a quick look at Google Scholar, JSTOR, and TWL EBSCO: I see that most of the sources that show up on those pages are cited in the article, so that's good. I can't really say the same for Indonesian-language sources, so I'll leave it to you to answer this: what are the news sources used for? And given their use case, are there any more news sources that you should cite?
The main academic source for biographic data is Sidharta (1994), with supplements from Suryadinata. The news sources allow a) for further exploration of his legacy (the translation of one of his works into Mandarin, for example) when things had not happened when these sources were published, and b) additional information that was not necessarily included in the main academic sources (for example, the note about his birthday). Some of them, such as Kurniawan's analysis of history in Kho's novels, also provide a thematic exploration. Indonesian news sources are generally not archived online (no newspapers.com etc. here), so there is always the possibility that sources may exist. However, I have gone through all the archives available to me and used what was available. These include newspapers digitized by the National Press Monument, as well as the National Archives. —Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:01, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Suryadinata 2015 has its ISBN numbers without the hyphens, while the rest of the sources have ISBN numbers with hyphens
Ensiklopedia Sastra Indonesia is missing its date of publication – per Template:Cite web, use the most recent date of access as the source's publicationdate
I'm not reading that in any of the documentation. It says "... access-date is required for online sources, such as personal websites, that do not have a publication date". In other words, one cannot omit the access date if there is no publication date. Either way, it would make no sense to use the access date as the date of publication, because a) they are separate indicators, conveying different information, and b) if something is first accessed through an archived version, that would make the publication date later than the archive date.—Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:01, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Apologies – I typically do citations in visual editor, and the template data for the date parameter in Cite web says "Full date when the source was published; if unknown, use access-date instead". I thought you're required to use the date of access in the date parameter in lieu of the actual publication date, but I've been misreading it this entire time! You're completely right. Icepinner(Come to Hakurei Shrine!)06:48, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Does Beneitz 2004 have any identifiers? Same with Saraswati & Maziyah 2021
('The Heirloom Sword White Dragon', 1959): shouldn't it be ("The Heirloom Sword White Dragon", 1959)?
I recently learned about MOS:SINGLE, which specifies "Glosses that translate or define unfamiliar terms ... take single quotes". The template {{Literal translation}} also defaults to single quotes. Consequently, I've used single quotes for translations throughout.
Serials are covered under MOS:MAJORWORK, which is why the Indonesian is italicized. To the best of my understanding, MOS:SINGLE covers the translation, especially as its my own rather than a published translation title.—Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:38, 23 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"Ultimately, as his children were still young, he remained in Indonesia" - these children (how many?) appear a bit out of nowhere, - do they have a mother?
"For additional income, Gema began printing tickets and invitations,[38] though by this point the company was run primarily by Kho's son-in-law Bunawan SW." - though? - or: I see little connection between the two facts.
This article is about, in my humble opinion, the very best song Boygenius and its members have ever done, solo or as a band. It's a four-minute slice of cathartic countrified jangly new wave goodness that hasn't lost its luster even after <checks last.fm> 395 listens. Don't just take my word for it: "Not Strong Enough" was one of the most critically acclaimed songs of 2023, spent multiple frames atop a Billboard genre airplay chart, and drew extensive analysis from music journalists. I did the bulk of the work on this article in 2024, intending to nominate it then; 'twas not to be, for a variety of reasons. I came back to it recently and went through it with a fine-tooth comb; I found a couple academic sources, I filled some small gaps in coverage, and I did some general copyediting.
I'd like to give my thanks to Aoba47 and Gen. Quon for their invaluable feedback two years ago during the peer review and when I sought FAC mentorship, as well as The Blue Rider for their thorough and helpful GA review shortly before then. I genuinely believe this article is the most comprehensive source of information you'll find on the internet for this song, and I eagerly look forward to hearing the community's feedback. I will endeavor to address any concerns as quickly as I can.
Not too important (do this if you want) but I'd prefer if this sentence ("It was released through Interscope Records on March 1, 2023, as the fourth single from the band's debut studio album, The Record (2023).") was written in active voice rather than passive: Interscope Records released it on March 1, 2023, as the fourth single from the band's debut studio album, The Record (2023)."
I'm wondering if this is needed for the lead: "The three members of Boygenius – Julien Baker, Phoebe Bridgers, and Lucy Dacus – attracted increasing recognition for their solo work in the period after their extended play, Boygenius (2018). Amidst speculation about whether they would record again as a trio, they wrote much of the material for The Record, including "Not Strong Enough", in secret." What about: "Amidst speculation about whether they would record again as a trio, the three members of Boygenius – Boygenius – Julien Baker, Phoebe Bridgers, and Lucy Dacus – wrote much of the material for The Record, including "Not Strong Enough", in secret."?
Replaced with After their extended play, Boygenius (2018), the three members of the band – Julien Baker, Phoebe Bridgers, and Lucy Dacus – faced speculation about whether they would record again as a trio. In response, they wrote much of the material for The Record, including "Not Strong Enough", in secret.Dylan620 (he/they/she • talk • edits) 20:15, 8 October 2026 (UTC)reply
background and release
The trio formed in 2018 and released the extended play (EP) Boygenius the acronym "EP" isn't needed as it isn't used again
Rumors about a debut album from Boygenius began spreading in late 2022 to 2023, following a photoshoot in November 2022 and the announcement of their inclusion on the Coachella 2023 lineup. I don't know if "in late 2022 to 2023" is needed, given I'm sure the "late 2022" rumors refer to the photoshoot and "2023" probably refers to Coachella. What about: "Rumors about a debut album from Boygenius began spreading following a photoshoot in November 2022 and the announcement of their inclusion on the Coachella 2023 lineup"? If not then feel free to skip over this.
Nuss contrasted the cleanliness and warmth of the synthesizers and guitars This part presents the song having "cleanliness" and "warmth" as a fact, when it's an opinion
Not sure if "many of whom directed their praise towards the song's lyrics and the interplay between Baker, Bridgers, and Dacus" is needed given that the following sentence mentions only rankings. I'd move it to where critics specifically state this, or remove it altogether
Amen, Stephen Troussé of Uncut, and Ben Tipple of DIY lauded as synergistic the chemistry between the three musicians; the former extended his plaudits to the vocal production, while the latter also considered the lyrics poignant. I think just using their first and last names work better than using "former" and "latter" per WP:FORMERLATTER
At the pier, they prance along the boardwalk, plays arcade games, and rides a carousel, a Ferris wheel, and a roller coaster "plays" and "rides" should be singular
In the same episode, the band appeared in a skit alongside Timothée Chalamet as four likenesses of Troye Sivan – all of them approximating Sivan's own fashion style and choreography – which were sleep paralysis demons hallucinated by a character played by Sarah Sherman.[126] I'm not sure if this is needed if it doesn't relate to the song
I liked this detail as providing context to the episode they were on, but thinking it over, you are correct that it isn't germane to the song itself. Removed. Dylan620 (he/they/she • talk • edits) 20:15, 8 October 2026 (UTC)reply
accolades
No problems here.
@Dylan620: That's all I've got, ping me when all are addressed! I also made some extra edits to the article, revert them if you don't like. Nice work! 750h+09:36, 8 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The lyrics primarily concern mental illness and the effects it can have on relationships -> The lyrics primarily concern mental illness and its effects on relationships
"Not Strong Enough" appeared on several rock charts in the United States. These include Adult Alternative Airplay, where it spent seven weeks at number one and was ranked by Billboard as the most successful song of 2023. The song also charted in Ireland and on a secondary chart in Japan. It is certified gold in New Zealand and silver in the United Kingdom. This is weirdly worded. It says it appeared on several, and then only mentions Adult Alternative Airplay, and a different kind of statistic for Billboard, as "most successful song" isnt a chart.
an extended play (EP), Boygenius, in October of that year. -> the extended play (EP) Boygenius in October of that year.
Listing years after albums in this is inconsistent. on the record's first mention, it lists the year The Record (2023), but for Punisher by Bridgers, Little Oblivions by Baker, and Home Video by Dacus, it instead adds – over the course of 2020 and 2021. after it, instead of having the year after.
Rephrased to releasing their respective studio albums: Punisher (2020) by Bridgers; Little Oblivions (2021) by Baker; and Home Video (2021) by Dacus.Dylan620 (he/they/she • talk • edits) 16:25, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
add link to "Emily I'm Sorry". when the article for it is made, the redirect will automatically be fixed
By that logic, every song mentioned should be linked, and I just don't think linking so many redirects to the album article would help the reader. Case in point: I neglected to link "Cool About It" even though I have a draft for it in the works. Dylan620 (he/they/she • talk • edits) 16:25, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The three decided to start sharing demos and ideas for songs in a Google Drive folder and a group chat, convening in California twice in 2021 to write together in person. -> They started sharing demos and ideas for songs through a Google Drive folder and group chat, convening in California twice in 2021 to write in person.
near completion by the time she, Baker, and Dacus shared them with each other; the second half is informed by the album's creative process itself, as well as the bond shared by the three band members. to near completion by the time they were shared with the group, while the second half was informed by the album's creative process itself, as well as the bond shared between the group.
What are; Stereogum, Exclaim!, Clash, Pitchfork, BrooklynVegan, NME, Slate, The New Yorker, etc..
I feel like specifying what each publication is would clutter the article; indeed, the aforelinked "Training Season" FA doesn't. Dylan620 (he/they/she • talk • edits) 16:25, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
its called GQ, not British GQ
British GQ is one of the international versions of GQ; a tagline at the very top of the cited source explicitly calls it "British GQ". Dylan620 (he/they/she • talk • edits) 16:25, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Skipping the Writing and composition section, dont know enough about that
Oh is Adult Alternative Airplay part of Billboard? Didnt get that from the lead
the screen continually moves to the right as Baker, Bridgers, and Dacus stand erect in between several busts erect?? What does that mean in this context
sigh this wouldn't even be the only time I'd accidentally put something lewd in an article without even realizing it. "Erect" means "straight and upright" here; I've replaced it with "straight", since the fact that they are standing implies that they are upright. Dylan620 (he/they/she • talk • edits) 16:25, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
In the music video section, change most mentions of 'The band' to 'they'.
I feel like 'beachside' is helpful in letting the reader know about where the trip ended. I did add the link to bonfire.
where and what is Carnegie Hall, what is Tibet House US
Boygenius first performed "Not Strong Enough" at... indicates that Carnegie Hall is a concert venue. I did add a mention of the venue being in New York City, while also adding the nonprofit before the link to the Tibet House US article. Dylan620 (he/they/she • talk • edits) 16:25, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Rumors about a debut album from Boygenius began spreading in late 2022 to 2023, following a photoshoot in November 2022 and the announcement of their inclusion on the Coachella 2023 lineup.
Newsweek's David Chiu remarked that the unassuming nature of the video contrasted Boygenius against past supergroups, whom he said to have been afflicted with "commercial pressures and ego".
Sources seem to be to reputable newspapers and music magazines. acharts.co is a redlink - does this have good reason to be notable? Also, not a music editor, so I'm a bit unsure how to ascertain the reliability Neon Music and Spectrum Culture; I'm sure you can make a good case for them though.
There appears to be consistent capitalization and formatting on citations.
Many thanks for the review, Generalissima. As it turns out, the Portugese Wikipedia has an article on acharts.co, so I've added an interlanguage link. Spectrum Culture is listed as a reliable source at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources. I felt like I had a pretty solid case for Neon Music; the writing seems professional enough, and they have an about page with a list of staff. Upon further inspection, though, I'm seeing some rather clickbait-y article titles on their site, which concerns me a little. What do you think? Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 18:29, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Dylan620: Hmm. The rest seem good, but if there's concerns about Neon, there'd be no harm in replacing it with a different source. But if that's the best source available, then there's not much we can do. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 21:02, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Generalissima: I wanted to provide an update on this. I have left Neon Music intact as a source in a couple citation bundles, as it does contain useful information about the song's composition. However, I also noticed that it paraphrased an interview of the band, so I replaced it there with a direct citation to the interview itself. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 06:13, 4 November 2026 (UTC)reply
I have a brief comment on the following part from the lead, with a focus on a narrator experiencing contradictory mental states of self-loathing and self-importance. I have been told in the past to avoid with "with X verb-ing" sentence construction. I do not have a strong opinion about it either way, but I just wanted to pass along this note to you, for this particular part and for the article in general.
This is more of a clarification question, was there any cover art for this single? I am guessing that there was not any, but I just wanted to double-check with you to be absolutely certain.
I have a clarification question about this part, Bridgers began writing new material to keep herself busy during the COVID-19 pandemic. I was curious if Bridgers did this during the COVID-19 lockdowns? If so, I think that would be more specific rather than referencing the pandemic as a whole.
There is a citation missing for the following sentence: Jon Pareles of The New York Times perceived it to contain influences from new wave, which he attributed to the "pumping, echoing" production.
The article includes a citation to Musicnotes.com. Please correct me if I am wrong, but for whatever reason, I had thought that the usage of sheet music from this website was discouraged. To be clear, I have used sheet music from this website in one of my own FACs/FAs. I have not really kept up with the music side of Wikipedia for minute, so things could have changed since I last looked.
I think it's down to whether the sheet music itself was from the official publisher, which isn't a given with Musicnotes.com, although it is the website mentioned at WP:SHEETMUSIC. Fortunately, that is the case with "Not Strong Enough". Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 10:06, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the explanation and for the link. That makes sense to me. I will keep that in mind for the future. I am glad that the sheet music could be retained, as this information is beneficial for readers. Aoba47 (talk) 16:51, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The article pretty consistently attributes the author and the publication in the prose, but there are a few spots in which this does not happen. Here are some examples: Vulture and Flood Magazine summarized the verse and carried by "thundering instrumentation" according to NPR Music. Is there a reason for this?
That is fair. It is not a major concern for me, so it would not hold my review in any way, shape, or form. It would probably be better to wait and see if any other reviewers bring this concerns. If not, then I would say that the current form would be good. Aoba47 (talk) 16:51, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I do not believe that The Harvard Crimson is considered an appropriate source for a FA, as from my understanding it is discouraged to use student newspapers in general.
Thank you for the link. For whatever reason, I had difficulty finding that link, so thank you for including that. That makes sense to me. Aoba47 (talk) 16:51, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Is there a reason why the "Commerical performance" section is listed before the "Critical reception" section? I have normally seen this reversed for song articles. I am not necessarily against this. I think that there should be flexibility with article structure, but I was just curious about the rationale for this decision.
I recall it being commonplace, at least when I started working on this article at the end of 2023, for the commercial performance section to be before the critical reception section, but I may be mistaken. In any case, I agree with you that articles should have leeway with structure. Personally, I like to variate a bit from article to article; see the differences in structure between Fas – Ite, Maledicti, in Ignem Aeternum and Punching the Clown. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 10:06, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I have a comment about the citation structure. I am seeing that some citations include both website/work and publisher, while others use just website/work. I would recommend being consistent with one or the other.
Thank you for addressing this. I know that citations can be a hassle to work with, so I appreciate that you looked at this point. Aoba47 (talk) 16:51, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I hope that these comments are helpful. Just so you know, I have made the following edit to the article. I have read up to the "Commercial performance" section. Please let me know if you have any questions, and I will continue my review after everything has been addressed. Wonderful work, and I hope that you have a great rest of your day! Aoba47 (talk) 20:49, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Many thanks Aoba47; I hope you and yours have been well! I'll get to these comments in the coming days, as I have a couple of review pledges to fulfill. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 05:58, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the ping and for the kind words. Take as much time as you need, as there is absolutely no rush. I hope that the reviews go well. Aoba47 (talk) 10:03, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your responses. I agree with everything that you have said above. I appreciate the links in particular. I will post the rest of my review momentarily. Aoba47 (talk) 16:51, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The word "praised" is repeated multiple times in close proximity at the end of the first paragraph of the "Critical reception" section, and I would recommend adding variation there to avoid repetition.
It may be useful to add a topic sentence to the start of the second paragraph of the "Critical reception" section just to more clearly define its focus for readers. This is just a suggestion though. It may not be entirely necessary though, so take this more as a suggestion. I trust your judgement on this.
I have a nitpick about the following part, In a four-star review of an August 20 performance. I do not find the star rating to be particularly useful or important enough to attribute in the lead, and I would recommend instead making this part a bit more concise by simply saying, In a review of an August 20 performance. I know that other editors disagree on this though, so feel free to push back on this one. It is not a major sticking point for me, but I still thought that it was worthwhile to point out here.
This is another nitpick, but I would avoid the repetition of used/using for this part, the one the Beatles used that night, using the same font as the latter band's logo. Maybe something like which had the same font as the latter band's logo?
Replaced with the band paid homage to the Beatles' first appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show, including by donning black suits and borrowing the font of the latter band's logo for their kick drum. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 08:57, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
I am curious about the current placement for the "Accolades" section. I have normally seen this section closer the critical reception section, like with "Blank Space" or "Your Power". I am not against the current placement, but I was more so curious about the rationale for this.
I... don't have a good rationale for this, actually. Maybe so there would be less space between images? That doesn't feel like a good enough reason, so I've assimilated it into §Critical_reception as a subsection. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 08:57, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your patience with my review. This should cover everything on my end. Once everything has been addressed, I will be more than happy to support this FAC for promotion based on the prose. I had fun reading through this article, even though I admittedly knew absolutely nothing about Boygenius or even its individual members. You have done a wonderful job. I hope that you are having a great end to your October. Aoba47 (talk) 17:02, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the kind words and for addressing everything. Great work with the article. I support this FAC for promotion based on the prose. I hope you have a wonderful start to your November. Aoba47 (talk) 16:56, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
This article is about a children's or young adult novel series in which feral cats survive in a forest. They battle it out, struggle with illness and betrayal, and generally have a bad time. The series was created by Vicky Holmes, despite her not liking the idea, and new books are still being written two decades later. My goal is for this article to be TFA on 21 January 2028, which is the 25th anniversary of Warriors. Many thanks to Ajheindel for the GA review, Pamzeis for doing a peer review, and Blubewwy and Lilyblossom for copyediting. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 16:38, 29 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Scourge has some sort of gang (with an in-universe name probably not worth mentioning because it would cause confusion). I've clarified that ShadowClan also fights Scourge.
I don't know. I calculated that each plot should have about 55 words, and TNP has 47. I doubt I can add more plot in 8 words given that what's there is the core of the plot. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 06:55, 1 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I like this phrase as it clearly separates what's real-life information about the arcs & their titles from what's plot summary. If you have a better way of making the difference clear without this phrase, please let me know. I think it's a bit repetitive at the moment but it does its job well. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 22:44, 14 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The paragraphing groups arcs in pairs. I don't think a change is necessary, but if you think a change is necessary please tell me where. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 22:44, 14 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I know this is kind of vague, but the second paragraph may be boring to a reader. I might just cut it out and include the writers in the first paragraph in the Erin Hunter parens. That said, I’m on the border about this, so feel free to ignore. Cheers, In solidarityWikipedian12512 (Talking is fine|contribs) 20:40, 14 October 2026 (UTC)reply
My vision for the lead was as follows. First paragraph introduces the very basics of the series, like who wrote it and what it's about. Second paragraph goes into more detail about the authors, the development, other media, expansion of the series. Third paragraph is about analysis and reception. Now, I can't speak for every reader, but when I read a Wikipedia article to check some information I expect to see it amongst related information. This is the purpose I had in mind with the factual details collated in the second paragraph. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 22:44, 14 October 2026 (UTC)reply
(I've not read it but the sources mention it quite a bit so I assume it's rather violent, haha --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 22:44, 14 October 2026 (UTC))reply
@Not-cheesewhisk3rs, I saw that this article was up for FAC. I'm not sure I'm up for giving a complete review but I am concerned with what I see to be quite a lot of subheadings in the Synopses section which are only a couple of sentences long each. If a paragraph can be only a few sentences, it usually should just be condensed into another paragraph (see MOS:PARA and MOS:SUBSECTION) I believe that you should probably get rid of all of the section headings in the Synopses section and merely say "The first arc, Warriors: The Prophecies Begin, lasted from 2003-2004. It follows..." and then immediately lead into "The second arc, Warriors: The New Prophecy was published from 2005-2006 and concerns..." and condense all of that information into a couple of paragraphs. Also, even if the plot does not require sources per MOS:PLOT, you should at least provide sources for the names of the story arcs and when they were published, especially since some of them do not have related articles. Fathoms Below(talk)14:28, 6 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The intro paragraph is a little odd. It gives a really quick mention of the premise (feral cats in a forest) but there's nothing within that quick mention that explains why it's a fantasy series; it's also followed by a much better, elaborate description of the series. I think I would axe the first bit to get to the more full-context description faster, e.g. "Warriors, also known as Warrior Cats, is a children's and young adult fantasy novel series. It is published by HarperCollins and written under the collective pen name Erin Hunter. Its nine story arcs chronicle the survival and adventures of five organized groups of feral cats, called Clans, as they interact with each other and outsiders."
Also on that subject, the "written under the collective pen name" bit immediately raises questions that are not answered until the second paragraph, so I would either elaborate, e.g. "written by multiple authors under the pen name" or just gloss over the fact multiple people are attributed under the pen name until the second graph.
Both done
"An official Roblox game exists" If you don't know what Roblox is, this statement followed by "an official video game is set to release" is a bit weird, because the latter part of the phrase implies a singular official video game.
Hopefully fixed what you meant
"and some compared it to Brian Jacques' Redwall series" in what way? Obviously we don't need a great amount of detail for the lead, but it's odd to mention the comparison without any explanation of why they're making the parallels.
Sources don't specify a single way, rather just allude to anthropomorphic animal fantasy - removed
"Living cats are split into four groups" I would just say "Cats" here, because the living thing just invites more questions.
Done
"Evil spirit cats, including Tigerstar's spirit, train Clan cats, in their dreams, for battle. Eventually, both the living Clans and StarClan have to fight together to defeat the evil deceased cats and their living acolytes. " I'm unclear about what this means. The spirit cats are attacking the living cats in their dreams? Also who are they training? The acolytes? Are these cats aware they were being recruited? Are they defeating them in their dreams, Nightmare on Elm Street stye? Feels like either less information presented clearer or more would help.
It's all really weird, I've tried to do it better, but now the phrase "evil spirit cats" feels repetitive. I'll take a look again tomorrow to see if I can copyedit that bit more.
"and change their code of honor (the warrior code)" you already explained the code of honor in the preceding section, so this feels redundant.
Simplified
"there is unrest in SkyClan as several cats wish for Leafstar to step down from the position of leader." The text sort of assumes we know or care who this is, so I think it would be better to rework the sentence so it's introduced that they are the leader of SkyClan when the name is dropped.
Done
"as loving a cat from another Clan is banned in the code of honor they live by" could this be shortened to "is banned in their society" or similar? We've gotten the code of honor thing a lot. I might just be extra sensitive because of bad Star Trek episodes, but it's an atypical-enough phrase it stands out.
Done
"Savage and vicious battles between the Clans add to the violence;[39][40] some cats die in these battles.[41]" Feels a little redundant? You've already said there are violent and sudden deaths, the lethality is implied? Or you could say "lethal battles between the clans" and not need the tacked-on bit with the semicolon.
Done
"In an attempt to force all the Clans to join one united Clan, ShadowClan leader Tigerstar recruits a small cat named Scourge, who has reinforced claws and leads a gang of city cats" it's weird we're getting more of an explanation of Scourge than we do in the actual plot section.
Trimmed that section and added to the plot - I think that was meant to cater for people who skipped down to the section, but I'm not too sure
The entirely second paragraph of "Territory and clan politics" is about 10% just "territory" or variations of that, and it reads really repetitively.
Reworded to 4 instances, which I think is the minimum if the same information is to be presented, but if you think it's still too much I can change the actual information taken from the source
To me it seems a little odd the world building and style is on its own as a section in reception, but moreso that it comes before the reviews of the original novels.
It's a feature many reviewers had something to say about, but since it's not a theme I placed it in reception - now moved past the "critical reception" section
There's a lot of quotes in the reception section, and I think it would read a lot more cleanly if what could be summarized or paraphrased easily was.
Paraphrased some quotations and trimmed a lot of them
Media: I don't think File:Tencent Video Warriors animated series artwork.jpg has a compelling enough non-free rationale to justify WP:NFCC. There's no actual discussion of the art in the article, and the animated section is so slight it's hard to argue it's a significant loss to comprehension by cutting it.
It's the art referred to by "Tencent Video revealed early artwork for the series at a fan meeting in Shenzhen, China, in August" - I could make that clearer by including a mention of it in the caption. The reason why the mention of the animated series is so short is because of how little has been revealed about it. Over time, more information will be released, and the section will have to be expanded a little (and most likely a separate article will be created). If you still disagree, there's probably nothing else I can do other than remove it, but I'd rather not, as I think it's a significant addition.
I recognize that the art's what's referred to in the mention about the fan meeting, but I'm referring to discussion in the sense of the non-free content criteria. The image as it's currently used is purely illustrative; the text says "this artwork was revealed" and the image is "this is the artwork". But NFCC#8 requires "non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." That usually needs to be demonstrated, for example if there's significant critical commentary about a work that an image can illustrate, or where words alone are not going to be great at explaining it, or it's a moment from a film or work that is a major legacy for that work, etc. "Artwork for an adaptation that is covered in a paragraph and hasn't even been released" just doesn't meet that threshold.Der Wohltemperierte Fuchstalk18:05, 20 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Image licensing is not my strength, but I agree with DWF on this. I also think the WP:NFCC1 justification is particularly weak. Acceptable reasons are usually "The person is no longer alive" or "The building is no longer standing", not "The owner of the artwork is likely to say 'no' if we ask them". RoySmith(talk)18:27, 20 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the comments @David Fuchs. I've left a reply about the image explaining why I don't want to remove it. Everything else is done, though. If you have any more suggestions, please let me know. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 15:25, 20 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@David Fuchs: I realise that I forgot to ping you when I did it, but the image is now removed. If there's anything else you want to say, please do. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 18:13, 27 October 2026 (UTC)reply
were intended to be side stories, shorter than regular manga due to publishing schedule restrictions. The manga are written by Dan Jolley, using storylines by the Erin Hunter team, and illustrated by James L. Barry, among other illustrators.
However, many generations later, switching Clans to be with a mate is officially authorized, which forces the main characters of A Starless Clan to decide whether their loyalties belong to their Clans or their mates.
Reading the nomination's intro blurb, this sounds like a feline version of Watership Down, which is as good a reason to review it as any! I see you're shooting for a specific TFA date; you should go to WP:TFAP and put that on the schedule. It's not a guarantee, but it still helps to get your marker down early.
Why do you capitalize "Clan" everywhere? Unless it's being used as a proper noun, i.e. part of a specific clan's name, I'm pretty sure it should be lower case.
The spirits of dead cats go to the afterlife, called StarClan Previously you said there were four clans, plus a fifth lost one. Now you bring up a sixth, so this needs a little clarification.
Changed the first mention of Clans to specify they're living cats, is this better?
The cats use invented slang words This seems redundant. Aren't slang words (or, for that matter, all words) invented?
Fixed
Related to the above, months are called moons; and distances are measured in animal lengths seems at odds with the use of invented slang. Calling months "moons" is common in some real-life human cultures, and measuring distance as lengths of common objects is also common in human speech (car lengths, boat lengths, horse lengths).
Should be better now
I'm not sure that "slang" is the right way to describe this. Slang refers to words which people use in informal speech that are not officially part of the language. I don't think that's what's going on here. It sounds to me that these are just words in Clanish (or whatever they call the language spoken by the cats) that don't translate well into English. That doesn't make them slang. I see that the cited source does indeed call it slang, but I think that's an incorrect usage, so maybe it would be better to attribute this as "Charlotte Ahlin calls these words "fake slang"? RoySmith(talk)15:51, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I misinterpreted your comment. If there's no accurate way to describe these words I can try swapping out some examples for others. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 16:23, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Found from WP:LING. Changing it would avoid confusion, but fictional slang is a trope in fiction outside of the technical definition. I'd consider something purely descriptive like "The cats use English with a stylized vocabulary" followed by the examples. You can include the attributed statement that Roy suggested as well. That side steps the issue while giving more context. — Wug·a·po·des18:17, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I've changed it to follow your suggestion, but without using the word "English" (as that could imply the cats can understand/communicate with humans in English, which they can't) and with wording that is supported by the sources more.:) --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 21:34, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The first arc, The Prophecies Begin, was published from 2003 to 2004 It seems a little odd to refer to a set of books as an "arc". It also seems odd (at least to my ear) to use the unadorned term "arc" instead of "story arc". I would have written this as "The first story arc was contained in ...". But I'm not an expert at book articles; if the phrasing you've used is typical for articles of this type, then it's OK.
The publishers call them arcs, and the articles on this series call them arcs. I can add a small sentence clarifying that the sub-series are called arcs, but that might count as WP:SYNTH. The term "sub-series" was used a bit until I removed it, as it's not a name supported by sources (whether they're cited or not). Don't really see good alternatives...
He brings a city cat named Scourge to the forest, who betrays and kills him. You need to clarify the antecedents of "he" and "him". Was it Tigerstar to brought Scourge and then Scourge killed Fireheart? Or Fireheart brought Scourge and then Scourge killed Tigerstar? I see that it gets clarified in the next sentence, but don't give the reader this ambiguity to ponder and stumble over.
Done
Why are The Prophecies Begin and The New Prophecy treated in a single paragraph. And likewise for Power of Three and Omen of the Stars and succeeding pairs. Are these pairs of story arcs more closely related to each other than the others?
Each arc used to have its own subheading and paragraph, but per Fathoms Below's suggestion above I changed it - essentially, names and dates for the arc were unsourced, and there were too many subheadings. My reasoning is as follows. TPB and TNP are the original series, they are quite related. POT and OOTS have interconnected plot. DOTC and AVOS are somewhat experimental arcs by the new team after Vicky left. TBC and ASC have this overarching murder mystery/what-if-StarClan-isn't-so-omniscient-after-all theme. Changing Skies is... well, we'll see when it's finished.
train Clan cats for battle in their dreams. is the training happening in their dreams, or is the battle happening in their dreams?
Change
Dawn of the Clans is the fifth arc, published from 2013 to 2015.[13][‡ 2][‡ 3] What do the double-daggers indicate in these citations?
Sources by the publishers (kind of primary sources)
It is set in the past, before the events of The Prophecies Begin. You can leave out "in the past", that's implied from the "before the events of ..."
Done
The Synopses section ends with the ninth arc, published last year. Is that the end of the series, or will there be more to come?
The ninth arc is incomplete, which I assumed was implied by "published starting in 2025". It will most likely have 6 books, but I've found no source for that yet. Could make it clearer if you think it needs clarifying.
And, heh, it turns out my comparison to Watership Down was prescient!
I actually have a brand-new copy of Watership Down on my desk right now! I've never read it, but I've heard it's a fantastic book. I'm very much looking forward to reading it.
Meanwhile, he must face dangers arising from treachery inside the Clan:[32][25] fellow warrior Tigerstar assassinated the Clan's second-in-command and Firestar is the only one who knows.[3]: 141 In general, I'm fine with the idea of putting citations in the middle of a sentence but in this case I think the [32][25] breaks it up too much. When I read the second half of the sentence ("fellow warrior ..."), I stumbled and had to go back and re-parse some text to figure out the grammatical construction. So I'd suggest moving those citations to the end.
These citations specifically support the first half of the sentence. I changed it anyways because I think the citations can still be interpreted correctly like that.
rooted in simple natural formations like rivers and highways It's odd to call a highway a "natural formation".
Whoops! Removed.
The Clans face environmental hazards such as floods, strong winds, fires, droughts, heavy snowfall, and rockslides throughout the series. I get the desire to be comprehensive, but I think readability would be improved if you shortened this list to two or three items and then just allude to there being additional hazards.
done
Cats are anthropomorphized Maybe this is OK, but I kind of feel that given all that you've previously described, the fact that they are anthropomorphized is so obvious as to be redundant. Maybe it would work better to phrase it as a fact already in evidence: "The anthropomorphizing of the cats allows them to ...."?
Changed to "The anthropomorphization of the cats allows them to agree on a set of moral principles"; there's something about "the anthropomorphizing" that I don't really like even though it makes sense
The word "Clan" is capitalized in the books ... Oh, I see this answers my earlier question. Consider adding a footnote explaining this at its first usage to keep the reader from wondering.
Done
Contrastingly, Book Riot stated that I suppose "Contrastingly" is a real word, but "by contrast" would be simpler.
Done
As a general comment, I'd prefer to see opinions attributed to a person rather than to the publication they wrote for, i.e. instead of "The New York Times wrote ...", make it "Dwight Garner of The New York Times wrote ..."
I'm not sure. I've considered doing this but there are some issues. The main one is that publications either use different authors for each review (so the reader doesn't gain any useful information in seeing a name and never seeing it again) or a publication has book reviews practically all written by one person (this is Sally Estes of Booklist) so attributing it to the person as well as the publication is redundant. The less important issue is consistency, because Kirkus Reviews doesn't include author names so I can't attribute the authors so attributing authors would be inconsistent. I would have added author names to this article despite the disadvantages, until Rain World passed FAC without using reviewer names. As Tobie said there, it's just personal preference in the end. (I apologise for the long reply.)
The second arc has received mixed reviews drop "has"
Done
Since you defined SLJ as an abbreviation for School Library Journal, perhaps do the same for Kirkus Reviews (KR).
I've shortened to Kirkus as it's what this essay uses, and I'd rather not use too many abbreviations as it might be hard to keep track of when reading.
Do a run-through to make sure you're consistent on itaicazation. I see one place were Kirkus Reviews is not (However, Kirkus Reviews also called ...).
Done (how did I miss that?)
had greenlit an animated adaptation "greenlit" is slang, use something like "had approved" or "had agreed to fund".
Done
the Warriors Instagram account shared the trailer this accounts are not people, so they can't share. You want something like "The trailer was shared on the Warriors Instagram account".
Done
which is set to release on 23 October 2026 I guess technically that's a correct statement today, but by the time this FAC is over that will be in the past, so make sure you update this statement as appropriate.
I'll make sure to do that. Lilyblossom also added {{update after}}; Im not sure what this does but probably there will be a reminder to update on the day.
It will be available on PC ... and similar in the rest of the paragraph. WP:CRYSTAL
I don't understand how WP:CRYSTAL applies here. It's limited to a minimum volume of basic information.
Maybe CRYSTAL wasn't the right citation, but you've stated in wiki-voice a fact which we don't yet know is true or not because it refers to the future. You could say, "It is anticipated that the game will be available on ...", or "According to an annoucement in ... the game will be available on ..."
Changed
OK, that does it for a first read-through. Overall, I think this is in pretty good shape. I'll come back at some point and take another look; feel free to nag me if I have not done so by the time the FAC is wrapping up. RoySmith(talk)18:33, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the comments @RoySmith. I've implemented most of your suggestions, and tried to provide a satisfactory explanation for those I didn't do. Thank you also for recommending WP:TFAP - I'll make sure to add it there! --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 22:23, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
This article is about the main protagonist of the video game Genshin Impact, developed by miHoYo. I created the article earlier this year and got it to GA as part of a WP:GARC in July. I submitted it to peer review for FAC in August and received some feedback. During that peer review, editors @TheBritinator, Oreun, and Vacant0 gave constructive feedback on the article that focused on source reliability and prose clarity, among other things. They raised additional concerns about the lack of some sources regarding the creation and design of the character, though I believe these are not necessary due to the Traveler being more of a "blank slate" character used as a vehicle for players to insert themselves into the story. I would not expect many secondary sources to offer character analysis for such a character. With regards to source reliability, all of the non-WP:PRIMARY sources in the article are either generally reliable, or they are being used to cite uncontroversial statements about the character (e.g. their birthday, for instance). One editor in the peer review questioned the use of The Nerd Stash, but I personally believe that isn't enough to warrant its removal (as it's not enough of a consensus) and I have had no other issues with this source at the GA level. As a courtesy, I am tagging the GA reviewer @Vestrian24Bio as well as @Pokelego999 and SuperGrey, both of whom have shown interest in the Genshin Impact topic and who may want to add their thoughts.
The Traveler is the main protagonist in the game, and in the story they wander the continent of Teyvat with their tour guide Paimon in search of their lost twin sibling. Along the way, they enter each of Teyvat's seven nations and solve problems afflicting them, making friends with Teyvat's people along the way. As some of you are no doubt aware, Genshin is one of my favorite video games and in all likelihood doesn't really need much of an introduction. I figured that the Traveler, as the main character, would make an ideal first character in that game to reach FAC (other than perhaps Paimon, who may have important information revealed about her in the next few updates, so I'm putting a potential FAC for her on hold for the moment). This would be my first WP:FOUR as well, as my only successful FAC was for an article I did not create myself. In solidarity, Gommeh(talk🎮sign)17:25, 28 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Looks like I forgot to tag a few more people who may want to comment here. First up on the list is @Jeffrey34555, who has shown interest in miHoYo character articles, especially the Genshin Impact character list. Also tagging Chinese Wikipedia editor @LimiEi, as I imagine she'd be interested in knowing this article is up for FAC here. She has been very helpful in writing and translating related articles between the Chinese and English Wikipedias. Finally tagging @Royal Sailor, another helpful Chinese Wikipedia editor. In solidarity, Gommeh(talk🎮sign)19:48, 28 September 2026 (UTC)reply
I have very little to say so I don't know if it would be appropriate to support, although overall I think the article is of high quality. Sorry.
From reading the lead and background section, it seems a little awkward that the characters (plural) are called the Traveler (singular). I doubt this can be done differently, especially if this is what the sources use (haven't checked). If this is how it should be done, at least avoid saying "The two Travelers" when there's only one Traveler. Can be reworded as "Both characters", for example.
"only Aether and Lumine themselves call each other by their real name" but isn't the Traveler a silent protagonist? according to the lead
Same with "including belittling Paimon's body size and abilities" in Reception
"Unlike most characters in the game, the Traveler can use multiple elements." what does "use" mean here? conjure? manipulate? something else?
"The final scene in the trailer has a line in which the narrator asks if the Traveler would betray themselves for their sibling." is this relevant? does this happen? if yes, and if the source mentions it, what follows should be mentioned
"However, the Traveler's degree of involvement in the main storylines of each nation has been criticized. Jessica said that the Traveler is drawn into the civil war in Inazuma but lacks an active motivation for participating in it, while in the Sumeru and Fontaine chapters they return to a role similar to that of a non-player character" I assume that Inazume and Sumeru and Fontaine are nations, although if this isn't the case you should consider rewording
Most sources refer to the Traveler in the singular, even though Aether and Lumine are the same (for the most part) except for gender. I followed that as best as I could when editing. In cases where the differences between Aether and Lumine are discussed, or where they are specifically discussed together as siblings, I did make sure to change the wording accordingly. "The two Travelers" would, for example, imply that Aether and Lumine explore Teyvat together, which they do not.
The Traveler is largely a silent protagonist, which in this case means their dialogue in the quests is largely not voiced (for some reason). This is to the point where some fans actually take notice when the Traveler does have a speaking part that is actually voiced by a voice actor. There are dialogue options that the player can choose from in-game, mostly (in my opinion) to allow the player to feel like they are a part of the story. Some players, as the Traveler, choose to have them tease Paimon at various points in the story.
The word "use" likely means to manipulate, but I don't think it's significant enough to warrant much of a change.
As of writing this, there hasn't been anything in-game about the Traveler betraying themselves for their sibling. That line is at the very end of the trailer (it is the last line of dialogue), so nothing happens after it.
Alright. Even though I didn't have anything much to comment on, I still support this nomination because it's a very well-written article overall. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 18:02, 1 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Glad to see this up for FAC... this would be a useful experience for my plans with video game articles. Will provide a prose review (with the caveat that I have played Genshin up to Sumeru). Icepinner(Come to Hakurei Shrine!)16:41, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Noting that "[the PR reviewers] raised additional concerns about the lack of some sources regarding the creation and design of the character, though I believe these are not necessary due to the Traveler being more of a "blank slate" character used as a vehicle for players to insert themselves into the story". I've never thought of it that way, but it makes sense, I suppose.
"The Traveler has been playable since the game's September 2020 release. In it, they travel with their guide Paimon across the fantasy world of Teyvat in search of their lost sibling while becoming involved in local political conflicts and the conspiracies of the antagonistic Abyss Order." I'm not sure if I like "in it"... seems a bit clunky
Reworded.
"with the ability to manipulate elemental magic without a Vision, which is an external magical device that is normally required for most characters to control the different elements." this isn't really covered in the body apart from "Unlike most characters in the game, the Traveler can use multiple elements" in the Background section. "As the story progresses, they unlock the ability to use each element" also doesn't appear in the body.
Added unlocking each element to the appearances section. Not sure where the part about lacking a Vision would best be added though; I have added it in the appearances section for the time being.
"They appeared in the game's beta trailer in June 2019, and made their debut when the game launched in September 2020" link beta to Software release life cycle#Beta?
Done.
"The two Travelers are identical in terms of gameplay and story" if my memory serves me correctly, Lumine is slightly stronger in combat. Wonder if any sources pointed that out... though I imagine this would be more suitable as a minor footnote.
I have not seen this in any sources; as a matter of fact, Inverse states "No matter which you choose, the other twin will appear in the story. But don't worry about losing out gameplay-wise. Soon after you start the game, you'll unlock far better characters than the twins to play as, so depending on how fond you are of your twin, your initial choice here will hardly even matter."
"Unlike most characters in the game, the Traveler can use multiple elements" add footnote b here
Done.
"He believed that the premise that there are still enemies they cannot defeat after years of traveling makes the protagonist more realistic and human" the "that the premise that there" part is a bit clunky imo – any way to rephrase it?
Changed to "the existence of enemies they still cannot defeat".
"He said that he did not think the Traveler's sibling was a bad person, and that the sibling's tenderness and care toward the Traveler have never changed; instead, those feelings are not understood" understood by whom? The audience? Paimon?
I'm assuming it means the Traveler misunderstanding their sibling, but out of an abundance of caution I have removed this.
"Yanning said that at first, the director asked her not to make the performance resemble a little girl too much, but instead more neutral, distant and cool" this implies that the director changed their mind on what Lumine should sound like... so what did the director end up asking for?
I'm not entirely sure myself, especially since I don't play the game using the Chinese dub. I think it'd be best to just remove the "at first" part.
Are there no sources on what the English VAs did for their rendition of the Traveler? Or the Korean and Chinese VAs?
I was only able to find one YouTube source for Lee Sae-ah, which I have added.
"and learn more about their sibling's mysterious device called the 'Loom of Fate'" when were they first aware of the "Loom of Fate"?
I believe this may have been the first time they learned about it; at any rate it is the first time it is mentioned in the article, so I removed the word "more".
"to weave new Ley Lines for Khaenri'ah's restoration" Ley Lines in Genshin are different from the Ley line theory?
Removed link.
I wonder if the Appearances section can explicately mention those Interlude Archon quests with Dainsleif; after all, the Traveler found out about their sibling and their association with the Abyss Order in those quests.
I don't think it's necessary to explicitly mention the interlude quests, but I did add in a brief mention of Dainsleif.
"because of his midriff-baring outfit" link Midriff?
Done.
"She said that the Gnostic text Hymn of the Pearl, which tells the story of a traveler who goes to a foreign land in search of a pearl symbolizing true knowledge but forgets their identity, echoes the Traveler's journey in Teyvat: searching for their sibling, losing their memories, and having to rediscover who they are" I think "echoes" is a bit too strong here: the boy in the story was seduced by Egyptians and subsequently lost his memories while trying to find the pearl, but the Traveler in Genshin Impact already lost their memory and had to rediscover their identity while searching for their lost sibiling. So something like "is similar to"?
Done.
"two siblings can be understood as a divine pairing, or syzygy" you can link syzygy/divine pairing to Aeon (Gnosticism)
Done.
"while the Traveler remains in the role of a silent protagonist for long stretches of time" link Silent protagonist
Is it necessary to have footnote a in the infobox? Or can't we outright say that they're from outside of Teyvat?
Regarding Dainsleif: hm... the problem now is that readers won't understand Dainsleif's significance and his role in reuniting the Traveller with their sibling. Perhaps this should be expanded, or removed if no other options are available?
"The Traveler can use several elemental powers, each of which changes their combat role. These different forms let the Traveler serve offensive, defensive, or support roles in combat" iirc, the Traveler can only use one element in combat?
The Traveler can only use one element in gameplay combat, but in several cutscenes it is shown they can switch between elements rapidly if they want to (from a lore perspective), although this is not possible in gameplay.
I personally think having the footnote is not unhelpful, but I have removed it (at least for the time being). To me it indicates that Teyvat was not always their home.
There is a decent chance more information about Dainsleif could be revealed in future updates, so I don't think it's a good idea to get rid of it entirely. I've commented out the mention of him for now and may re-add it if needed later. @Icepinner courtesy ping. In solidarity, Gommeh(talk🎮sign)16:14, 8 October 2026 (UTC)reply
For clarification, The Traveler can only use one element means they can only use one element at a time. There are seven elements in the game to choose from, which are unlocked once a player reaches the nation with which the element is associated in the story. In solidarity, Gommeh(talk🎮sign)20:51, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Oops, apologies for my tardiness. I know literally nothing about Genshin, so this is a fool's reading.
Might be worth calling miHoYo "Chinese video game developer miHoYo" or something, since for all I know that's the pen name of an artist.
Done.
The lede should explicitly state that the different names/appearances are due to gender selection in character creation, and that the other becomes the "sibling" they are looking for - this confused me on first read.
Done.
Background section is very solid.
are seven playable versions of the Traveler with different elemental this is a bit confusing, since you of course select from two different 'versions' of the traveler already. Maybe "seven forms the Traveler can take" or something to that effect?
Changed to seven forms the Traveler can take that have different elemental attributes.
expressed their love seems a bit intense phrasing. Their appreciation for?
Changed wording.
with some even climbing mountains dressed as Lumine This seems like its just one person doing it, no?
Seems good to me, support on prose. Also, since there's been no image review thus far, I can say that the first image is an appropriate fair-use image, and the latter is correctly licensed. Thank you for using alt-text! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 15:10, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I found this paper which might be useful to incorporate.
Added.
Spot-checks without issues: 9, 29, 33, and 35.
Citation 1g: The voice actor's name seems to be spelled Lee Kyeong-tae.
I don't think the difference is very big, but changed anyway.
Citation 17 does not mention the sibling encounter or the memory loss event.
Added a citation to the Bedtime Story quest, which is where this happens.
Citation 22b: Maybe we should grab a Chinese speaker just to be sure of this, but Google Translate tells me the quote from the trailer is "Traveler, do you believe your sibling has betrayed you?", which is very different from the article's claim "the narrator asks if the Traveler would betray themselves for their sibling." (What would that even mean?)
That was a mistranslation; I have checked the trailer again and the English version has the line asking if the Traveler thinks their sibling has betrayed them.
And 22c: the source doesn't mention anything about them being able to touch.
There's an MOS guideline that says you don't need to cite plot-related things; I have added the citation to Bedtime Story again there which covers this. I have also clarified how players reacted (quote from the source: "Players are happy that the main story is finally going to continue, but on the other hand, they are worried that the developers are about to deliver a major blow.")
Some formatting comments now: Genshin Impact should be italicized in all of the source titles.
I knew there was something I had forgotten to do! Thanks for reminding me, done.
The titles use a mix of sentence case and title case; I would pick one or the other.
Done.
Make sure citations with non–Latin script titles are using |script-title= for accessibility, suppressing italics, and so on.
Done to the best of my ability; however, {{Cite AV media}} does not appear to allow this. Think I should swap the template out for another one?
Citation 8: I like the use of {{tooltip}} here! However, the male and female names seem to be mixed up.
This is intentional. For example, if the player chose the male Traveler, the female Traveler Lumine will say "Aether?" to confirm it is really him, and vice versa if the player chose the female Traveler.
Right, so this tooltip should then say "male Traveler", I believe. —TS
Fixed.
Citation 16 is missing a date and an edition.
Added.
Citations 21 and 30: use single quotes, since the entire title is in double quotes.
Done.
Citation 24 is the only one in CS2. I would alter this to a {{cite AV media}} (which has more appropriate parameters) instead of citing Apple Music directly.
Swapped out to that template.
Honestly, since you've removed the sentence this was supporting, I might lose this one as well. —TS
Citation 31: What makes the Well Played journal a reliable source? I can't find anything that says it was peer-reviewed, and the publisher Play Story Press doesn't seem to have an editorial board.
Spot-checks without issues: 15c, 18, 24 and 34. I don't have the expertise to spot-check citations to the game or to non-English videos, so I'm taking those on good faith.
Citation 23 was published in 2020, and cannot verify a statement that begins "As of 2026".
The information is still accurate as of 2026; the Pocket Tactics source verifies 6 of the 7 elements and I have added a 2026 game build guide for the seventh (Cryo) as it was one of the only sources I could find. Gommeh(talk🎮sign)19:27, 20 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Citation 37 needs a |url-status=live. Could you check the status for the others to make sure they're correct as well? This report might help with sorting them.
The "... long occupied an ambiguous space between that of an independent character ..." is pretty vague, and probably uses Wikipedia's voice inappropriately. Citation 37 gets a little more specific here, which I might include and attribute to them.
The sentence beginning "The emotional storyline between the Traveler ..." needs a citation; the next available footnote is a citation to the game, which can't verify the article's statement.
Sure. Added citation and reworded it to something which I think is more accurate to what the source says.
I had forgotten that GameWith, the guide I cited for the Cryo Traveler's abilities, is unreliable. Replaced it with a WP:PRIMARY citation to the game itself. There is already another source that covers the other elements the Traveler can use (for clarification, that source was released before the Traveler could use Cryo). Gommeh(talk🎮sign)15:02, 21 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Did a check for reliability on all the sources — most of them are gaming specialist publications, and a few social media posts used appropriately; all of them look good to me.
I'd recommend moving the parenthetical details about the characters' Chinese names and pronunciations to footnotes to reduce clutter in the lead sentence.
Done.
"The music used in the short film ..." Why is this relevant to mention in this article?
Not sure how best to word that, so I've just removed it for now.
"generatedstrong reactions" This seems like an odd word choice — maybe "elicited"?
Wording has been adjusted, see above.
Why are the scholars in § Reception introduced by their nationalities? That seems irrelevant; I would rather know what fields (media studies, linguistics?) the authors work in.
Yes that is weird. Removed the nationalities, not sure why I included that.
Put me down for a source review, and probably some prose comments, in the next week or so. I'll try my best not to, but ping me with reckless abandon if I forget! —TechnoSquirrel69 (talk) 05:26, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Thanks for your work on this, Gommeh! Final thoughts: I probably should have mentioned this earlier but didn't because it isn't technically required, but I would recommend adding page numbers to journal citations and timestamps to the videos, which help a lot with verifiability. You can use the brand-new sub-references to do so if you don't want to set up {{sfn}}s for this (and {{rp}} looks particularly bad with long timestamps). At the least, citation 7 will need a page range to complete it. I'm sure you'll get that figured out, though, so I'm happy to sign off on this contingent on that last fix. Source review passed. —TechnoSquirrel69 (talk) 18:04, 21 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Luyin believed that as an older brother, Aether naturally shows tolerance and protectiveness when facing his younger sister Lumine, regardless of whether they stand on the same side of things. Yanning said that the director asked her not to make the performance resemble a little girl too much, but instead to be more neutral.
What timestamp is it at so I can see if it supports the claim (I also don't speak Chinese, so a transcript of said timestamp would be helpful)?
Writer Yan Ku of Yahoo News compared the Abyss sibling's Loom of Fate plan to Greek mythology, where the Loom of Fate is a device used by the Fates to create and shape humanity's destiny. She speculated that the Abyss Order would wage war against Celestia (where Teyvat is ruled from), but was unsure if this war would be successful.
Thank you for reviewing my nomination of Tetris for FAC. Let me return the favor. Here's my comments:
Lead
In the infobox, the individual voice actors do not need to be cited due to them already being introduced in the body of the article.
Removed.
"At the same time, the game's emotional storyline between the Traveler and their sibling has been regarded as one of its more deeply developed narrative driving forces." - Not only does the last part read awkwardly, but judging by the reception section, this sentence does not appear to be that much that much of a key element in critical discussions of the Traveler.
Removed.
Background
"Unlike most characters in the game, the Traveler can use multiple elements." - This could be incorporated into the gameplay section rather than the background section.
This is somewhat relevant in the lore as well (hence its inclusion in the background section), and I think the information is already sufficiently presented in the gameplay section: "There are seven forms the Traveler can take that have different elemental attributes, each corresponding to a different nation, element, and combat role."
"Yanning said that the director asked her not to make the performance resemble a little girl too much, but instead to be more neutral." - What does that last part mean? Does it mean that Lumine's age, as conveyed through her vocal performance, is supposed to be ambiguous? Or does it mean that she is meant to be emotionally reserved?
The meaning of "neutral", as used in the quote, I think is ambiguous, and I think doing anything further may run afoul of WP:OR.
Appearances
"While investigating the attack, the Traveler discovers that it was orchestrated by their sibling to weave new Ley Lines for Khaenri'ah's restoration via the Loom of Fate." - What are Ley Lines?
Added an explanation in an EFN: "In the game, Ley Lines are a vast underground network of elemental energy connected to Teyvat's world tree, also called Irminsul."
"The short features a theme song of the same name performed by the Japanese singer Aimer, and its lyrics echo the Traveler's journey to find their sibling." - Change the beginning of the second half to "...Japanese singer Aimer, its lyrics echoing the Traveler's journey..."
Done.
Reception
Could be re-named "Reception and cultural impact" given the mention of fans cosplaying the Traveler.
Renamed to "reception and impact" - close enough if you ask me.
Are there any other sources that provide critical commentary on the Traveler that could help add to thissection?
Not that I am aware of.
"As the protagonist of Genshin Impact, the Traveler appears widely in the game's promotional materials, and several scale figures based on them have been produced." - This doesn't really have anything to do with the Traveler's reception. I recommend incorporating it in the other appearances section instead.
Moved.
The last paragraph could be broken apart and merged into different paragraphs of the section, with the first two sentences being merged with the first paragraph and the last two being merged with the third paragraph.
Is there some way in the gameplay section you could convey that the Traveler being able to use all seven elements is unique to the Traveler. Lazman321 (talk) 17:19, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
I found this source from Gamepur which backs that up, but there is no consensus on its reliability so I'm hesitant to include it. The statement I already have I think conveys this sufficiently: "There are seven forms the Traveler can take that have different attributes, each corresponding to a different element and combat role". 🎮Gommeh(📖/💬) 17:32, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
I'd also be hesitant to use Gamepur on an FA level. I was mostly basing my assumption off of "Unlike other characters in the game, the Traveler can use multiple elements." from the background section, which I wanted moved to the gameplay section but the source attached to it doesn't appear to verify it. In the absence of a suitable replacement source, I recommend removing that sentence. Lazman321 (talk) 02:13, 5 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Thanks for giving a review of my FAC. This is a read-through of the article to find any issues within the prose. Keep in mind that I have never play or interacted with any aspect of Genshin Impact before. If you have any questions or I biff anything, please tell me! (This is my first FACR, so if anything looks ugly or I could have done something a different way, please tell me) Dragonhawk12 (talk) (Guestbook) (Wikicats) 04:30, 4 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Per MOS:ALTCON, "Unless it appears in an article on fashion, the alt text for [an] image of Elizabeth II should not be 'an elderly woman wearing a black hat'". The same applies for this article's alt text. Aether and Lumine shouldn't be referred to as just "Two blonde-haired twins", but rather something like "Lumine and Aether, two blonde-haired twins..." and Aguilar shouldn't be referred to as "A man...", but something like "Aguilar wearing a blue sweatshirt..."
Done.
"...players choose the Traveler's gender, selecting between Aether or Lumine...": Change to "Aether and Lumine".
Done.
"...Unlike most characters in the game, the Traveler can use multiple elements.": Most suggests that other characters can use multiple elements, but the sentence "The Traveler is the only character who can use more than one element." later in the article contradicts that.
Changed to "Unlike other characters in the game".
"...along with additional enhancement effects...": What are these "additional enhancement effects" and what do they do?
They are related to the Traveler's abilities in combat. Changed.
"...regardless of whether they stand on the same side of things.": This sentence is a little awkward. I suggest changing it to something like: "regardless of whether they agree with each other."
Done.
"...the planet on which Genshin Impact takes place.": I suggest rewriting to "the planet where Genshin Impact takes place" so the sentence is more natural and straight-forward.
Done.
"...after befriending a being called Paimon...": I suggest rewriting to "a fairy named Paimon (alternatively, if the source doesn't mention she's a fairy, keep "being").
The sources don't really mention "fairy". Several characters do theorize that this is what Paimon is, but at the moment these are just theories and recent developments indicate this may not be true.
"...later encounter their sibling again, though they both lose their memories of the meeting.": How do they lose their memories? Does it just... happen?
Yes, it just happens.
"In Natlan, the Traveler helps repel an invasion by the Abyss...": Change to "Abyss order" to stay consistent with the rest of the article.
It's not the Abyss Order, but just the Abyss. Different groups.
"...miHoYo released an animated short called "The Road Not Taken"...": Italicize The Road Not Taken instead of putting it in quotes. Also, "short film" is more professional than simply "short".
Done.
"The short features a theme song of the same name performed by the Japanese singer Aimer, its lyrics echoing the Traveler's journey to find their sibling.": Change to "The short features a theme song of the same name performed by the Japanese singer Aimer, with its lyrics echoing the Traveler's journey to find their sibling."
Done.
"Writer Yan Ku of Yahoo News...": Unitalicize and wikilink Yahoo News.
Wikilinked. My feeling is that since Yahoo News is a news publication (or at least in Yan Ku's case it is, since Ku's pieces are Yahoo News original content and not taken from other sources) it should be italicized per MOS:NAMESANDTITLES: Italics should be used for the following types of names and titles, or abbreviations thereof: Major works of art and artifice, such as [...] newspapers, journals, magazines[...].
All that you've fixed looks good, but I still believe Yahoo News should be italicized. It's unitalicized everywhere else and on it's own article, so it's better to stay consistent with the rest of the articles. Dragonhawk12 (talk) (Guestbook) (Wikicats) 01:37, 5 November 2026 (UTC)reply
This article is about "Dreamlover", one of my favourite songs from Mariah Carey. It's a very fun pop/R&B tune with lyrics about Mariah's ideal lover. Commercially this song was an omnipresent hit across the US and broke the record for the most airplay received by a track in a single week (it held the record for three years). It was a pretty loved track and critics thought it was a cute lighthearted song. If successful this will hopefully be my 21st FA, as well as my first FA on a song! Enjoy, all comments are appreciated. 750h+13:28, 28 September 2026 (UTC)reply
The prose here is, generally speaking, excellent. It is easy to follow, while still providing a comprehensive overview of the song. I do have a few comments:
The lede uses the word "received" three times in a very short span. I am mindful that variation isn't always a good thing, but I still think that one or two of these uses could be swapped out for synonyms such as "enjoyed", "experienced", "attracted", or "garnered".
Also in the lede, "elsewhere" is made redundant by the list of territories in which the song charted. I recommend replacing Elsewhere, it with It also.
began new relationships sounds romantic instead of professional.
"Dreamlover" experienced crossover success across... is a little redundant, I'm afraid.
First though, images: File:TheEmotions1971.jpg contains a note that the public domain status is in dispute. Because of this, I'm unsure if its appropriate to use here. Meanwhile, the lede image is a standard fair use, so everything's good there. Thanks for alt-text! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 02:44, 22 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"The song, titled "Dreamlover", would mark the second time" => "The song, titled "Dreamlover", marked the second time"
"After she and Hall had created an instrumental, Carey would formulate lyrics" => "After she and Hall had created an instrumental, Carey formulated lyrics"
I wonder about telling her albums/productions chronologically, instead of first 2, then 1, then an extended play for which it remains open if before or after 2.
I mentioned her first album because of her having little control over it. She had more control of it during Emotions though.
yes, but why not chronologically? ---GA
@Gerda Arendt: To me it's a very minor part of the article and fits in where it is. I think if i moved it it would just be longer.
I was just curious, because it seems like talking about teenage years before childhood, but nevermind. ----GA
"the head of Columbia and Carey's fiancé", - a bit ambiguous: I mistook it as also the head of her fiancé;)
Fixed
I read nothing about the actual recording mentioned in the header.
Removed
Music and lyrics
While I understand that first came the music, then the lyrics, I'd prefer to read first about the lyrics (now para 2). The radio-friendliness could perhaps go somewhere else, - it's "hiding" the lyrics as it is now.
I don't think it's too important, most music articles mention the production before the lyrics. But I've moved the radio-friendliness
I come from the Bach cantatas, and there text comes first, then performance, and then musical details. ---GA
I would prefer to read the third para - a factual description of tempo and instruments, and recording! - before the thoughts of reviewers (now para 1)
Thoughts of the reviewers are connected to the paragraph, so it makes more sense to keep it there. It's the same for the paragraph relating to Mariah's vocals. It's also commmon to do so
Listen: I wonder about one critic's sentence instead of a description, - perhaps just drop the parameter?
DefClubNix
"... the original's girlishness was substituted for a more sensual tone" - not happy with "substituted" but have no better phrase
"On "Dreamlover" (Def Club Mix), Carey's falsetto vocals are huskier and lower-pitched than on the original." - I suggest to move that voice-related sentence to the previous para.
Done
Commercial ...
"and is Carey's seventh best-performing song on the chart as of 2018" - that sounds like a contradiction between tense and year
Fixed
See also
I'd prefer these as links (only) in the prose. Who cares about these lists down there?
@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for the comments, I've addressed them unless I highlighted above. I actually wanted to find some reception for Mariah's performances of the song, but information seems to be pretty sparse. 750h+15:57, 28 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I see a spot check was undertaken further up, so this will just be a 'formatting and standards' review. Comments to follow shortly. - SchroCat (talk) 11:45, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
One of the most important video games of all time. Last nomination had to be withdrawn to resolve whether Tetris should be considered a video game. Now that that issue's been mostly settled, and I've finished my break from Wikipedia, I think this is ready for FAC Lazman321 (talk) 18:52, 26 September 2026 (UTC)reply
In the previous nomination there was an extensive discussion about what the scope of the article was, including questions such as: What is the scope of the article? Is it a game, a franchise, a variety of a game? Does the article cover one game or more than one? When the word "Tetris" is used by itself in the article, how should the reader interpret it? Can you help me get started on this review with some information:
What are the answers to those questions (as found in the article today)?
What sort of changes were made to the article between then and now (in relation to these questions)?
Were there any discussions by editors in some Talk page or RfC about these scope/terminology issues? If so, can you provide wikilinks?
Basically, the scope of the article is Tetris the game and its many, many versions. Between the two FAC nominations, two RfCs were started regarding what Tetris should be considered, one at Talk:Tetris#RFC on How to Define Tetris and one at Talk:List of best-selling video games/Archive 12#RfC on the best-selling video game between Minecraft and Tetris. With their conclusion, the consensus seems to be very clearly that Tetris is a video game, one that happens to have over 200 versions, and should be represented as such on its page. And edits to the page ever since do reflect that consensus, such as calling the game, in wiki voice, the best-selling video game of all time. If there's anything in the article that still confuses you about its scope, I'll try to address it. Lazman321 (talk) 05:18, 27 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Citation timestamps: Pajitnov & Rogers 2023, 1:50. That confused me because I'd never seen the format "1:50" before, I eventually figured out it was minutes:seconds. Does the MOS permit the addition of a hint (e.g. the word "at time" or "timestamp") or similar to assist readers who get confused?
Manual of style compliance: Looks solid: I cannot find any issues. The article has been thru GA and FAC #1, so I would expect all style issues to be resolved by now.
Ditto for cite/source style: uniformity is good. Though I do see ISBN inconsistency: some have hyphens, some do not. Should be uniform.
Prose looks good. Neutral, factual tone appropriate for encyclopedia.
Without additional diagrams illustrating the gameplay, reader are left fairly clueless about the game. Not the fault of the nominator, and not a bar to FA status, but a shame nonetheless. Copyright rules are annoying, yes, but editors need to try everything up to the legal limits to give readers as much gameplay information as possible, without violating WP copyright rules.
Consider using the {{external media}} template at a prominent place in the article: link to 2 or 3 YouTube videos showing game play. E.g.
Maybe include some tutorials, and some world-record videos. Those kind of ext links are often at the bottom of an article, but in this case, where readers will be desperate to learn about gameplay dynamics, a more prominent location may be warranted.
Consider asking at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop for a volunteer to create an animated GIF that illustrates how tetrominoes rotate as they fall, and showing how they fit into the lower tetrominoes.
A schematic graphic of that dynamic - without colors, bevels, borders, text, scores, etc - would give readers a sense of the essence of the game without violating copyright rules. As it stands, the article gives readers no sense of what the game is. I'm not saying the lack of GIF is a bar to FA status, but until the request (plea even) is made at WP:GLI, there is the nagging feeling that the article is not as good as it can be.
To be frank, I would consider opposing this nomination, unless a request were made at WP:GLI and a month went by without a volunteer helping. When I'm preparing articles for FAC, they usually need new diagrams and maps. I sometimes draw my own diagrams, and sometimes beg others to create maps. There is a long lead time for that process, so it should be done 1 or 2 months before the nomination. Has a request been made at WP:GLI already for tetris gameplay diagrams?
@Lazman321 - Thanks for those links. In my opinion, the animation File:Tetris Loading Gif.gif is not copyrightable because it is simple geometric shapes. So, I would suggest it be added to the article. It is possible that some copyright experts may say that it must be modified to some extent (e.g. to make it grey-shade; or remove the beveled look etc) to increase the difference from the original game. I posted a query at the Commons Copyright page on that exact question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Copyrights#Animated_diagram_of_Tetris_video_game_mechanics%3F If they say it must be changed, then we're back to asking for a volunteer to update the GIF. I'm not trying to be annoying by insisting on adding an animation, but the animation would help readers grasp the game 100x more than the current body text (and static image) does. Noleander (talk) 12:52, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Couldn't hurt to check. But, given the contentious legal history of the game, it seems unlikely they gave anything away for free:-) On the other hand, when companies release promotional (advertising) videos, perhaps they give a free-use licenses to encourage distribution? Noleander (talk) 13:30, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Noleander: Btw, I did decide to take a look on YouTube to see if there was any Creative Commons video released by The Tetris Company or someone associated with them. Unfortunately, I could not find any. Also, I've taken the courtesy of moving your discussion post to WP:MCQ to see if it might gain better traction, as there have been no responses on it so far. Lazman321 (talk) 22:24, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
File:Typical_Tetris_Game.svg: on what basis does the uploader hold copyright to this?
The uploader claims to have created the image themselves, and as far as I can tell, it does not come from any particular version of Tetris already released. Is it still copyrighted because it's based on a pre-existing game? Lazman321 (talk) 05:55, 27 September 2026 (UTC)reply
I don't think it makes sense to say that this is not a derivative work but also sufficiently original to be copyrightable on its own. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:57, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
File:Tetris-VeryFirstVersion.png has an incomplete fair-use rationale
Done: Filled out fair use rationale
File:Tetris_on_Game_Boy.jpg: why is the title screen believed to be de minimis when it is the point of the image? Ditto File:Tetris_on_an_iPod.jpg.
Looking at Commons policy on de minimus work, it appears that since the depiction of Tetris is the point of these images, they must be deleted. I will remove them from the article. Lazman321 (talk) 05:55, 27 September 2026 (UTC)reply
@Nikkimaria: - In my review above, I recommended that the article include an animated GIF image that shows readers the essence of the game: rotating tetrominoes. I suggested that the nominator either create an animated GIF or use one from Commons, such as File:Tetris Loading Gif.gif. In my opinion, that Commons image may be used, but I can see how some editors may feel it has copyright issues. That GIF shows none of the game border or text; it is simply a set of geometrical shapes .. which cannot be copyrighted, in my opinion. In your role as image reviewer: do you think the nominator can use File:Tetris Loading Gif.gif in the article? Noleander (talk) 00:41, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Yes, I agree that this article is not styled like other video game articles because its situation is kind of complicated. I'll take a deeper look into the article during the next week. Vacant0(talk•contribs)09:38, 27 September 2026 (UTC)reply
I took a quick skim and did not notice anything out of the ordinary, the article seems to look the same like it did in the previous FAC. I'm happy to look at the prose though before that I have one question. Considering that the debate on whether Tetris is a video game or a series exists, wouldn't it be good to include a section that discusses this situation? I think that it'd definitely sort this situation out. After all, we care what reliable sources say, our personal interpretations do not matter. Explain why some consider Tetris a video game, why others consider it a series, and why does this dispute exist after all. Vacant0(talk•contribs)15:51, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I don't think we should dedicate an entire section to the dispute when the only source I could find that disputes Tetris being a game in detail is the BBC article, which is already addressed in the sales section. Lazman321 (talk) 18:33, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
OK, did not know that. This makes it even weirder. We should base our opinions from what reliable sources say, not our personal research. But, I guess we gotta follow what the RfC outcome says... I'll review this article this week. Vacant0(talk•contribs)15:31, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
From what I remember, you can technically play Tetris indefinitely in some way or another. Therefore, it'd be good to mention what happens when the pile of blocks reaches the top.
"Some sources, such as the BBC, consider Minecraft to be the best-selling video game..." as we discussed earlier it seems like the BBC is the only one that disputes this therefore change it to "The BBC considers Minecraft to be the best-selling video game..."
"Furthermore, Tetris has been represented in a vast array of media such as architecture and art..." → "Furthermore, Tetris has been represented in a vast array of media, such as architecture and art,..."
I agree with Noleander that there should be a visualisation of the gameplay. I think a simple screenshot will be good enough but let's try recreating something in a "free" way, if possible of course. I will not oppose this nomination solely because of this.
Unfortunately, that's not going to be easy. The only way for there be to be copyright-free recreation of Tetris is if aspects of the game were intentionally changed for the recreation to the point that it could be considered a new game, by which point, it wouldn't really be a fair representation of Tetris. Besides, there's already a screenshot of the Elektronica 65 version of Tetris in the history section. Lazman321 (talk) 19:46, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"In 1991, with Rogers' help, Pajitnov and his family emigrated to Seattle, where he worked as a freelance game designer.[92][93] During this time, Pajitnov worked on several sequels to Tetris. Welltris (1990) involved adjusting geometrical pieces descending down one of four walls of a three-dimensional well, and Hatris (1990) and Faces...tris III (1991) replaced descending tetrominoes with hats and faces respectively." but two of these games wer released before he moved to Seattle?
The history stops at November 2024. Has anything new occurred during the past two years?
The most significant event since November 2024 would probably be the Build the Wall clone published under the second Trump administration to demonize immigrants, as well as The Tetris Company's response to it, as dozens of mainstream publications reported upon it. I've added a paragraph dedicated to it on the history section. Is there anything you'd like me to add, remove, or change? Lazman321 (talk) 19:46, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"With 35 million sales as of June 2024, the Game Boy version is the highest-selling version" the wording here is awkward, especially repeating "version" twice in the same sentence. I suggest rewording.
"Tetris's scoring system has remained mostly consistent since Tetris DS (2006) with some exceptions" - what exceptions are these? Perhaps clarify them.
"Floppy disk copies of this version were distributed freely throughout the Dorodnitsyn Computing Center" - floppy disk should perhaps be linked, even though it is linked in the lead. This is optional.
Perhaps this is me just being picky over grammar, but I was always taught in school that the proper form of a possessive of a noun that ends in an S is just an apostrophe with nothing else; in other words, it might be grammatically correct to change Tetris's to just Tetris'.
There are a few instances in the versions section where information seems to be re-stated, which has already been presented in the article. For instance, you mention there that "the Tetris Company has maintained annual standard specifications for authorized versions of Tetris" since 1996, which is stated in the history section. Is there a reason for this?
The restatements in this section are to add context to statements that only appear in that section, as well as provide an easy summary of the different versions for readers to find. Lazman321 (talk) 01:42, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Reception and Legacy
The first sentence in the reception section says Tetris is the best selling video game of all time, but the BBC source casts doubt on it. I suggest adjusting the wording of the first sentence so it is not in wikivoice.
Same with "Tetris is influential in the genre of puzzle video games." Not a huge issue, but as this could be interpreted as an opinion it may be beneficial to attribute this statement regardless (to be on the safe side).
I don't think it's an opinion. I don't think it's a statement that any reasonable source would deny, nor is it really evaluating how good the game is. Lazman321 (talk) 01:42, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"The game has also earned multiple Guinness records, such as the record for "largest architectural video game display", granted to a game of Tetris hosted on the side of the 29-story Cira Center in April 2014." Is this important for the reader to know? Not to mention, there is no consensus on VentureBeat's reliability -- can you justify the inclusion of this material?
As for VentureBeat, concerns about its reliability appear to be pretty recent, as the general consensus prior to the shift toward AI and churnalism in 2025 was that VentureBeat was a reliable source, as demonstrated by WP:VG/S, and all citations to VentureBeat on this article are in 2014. Lazman321 (talk) 01:50, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"David Sheff provided a comprehensive overview in his influential Nintendo history book Game Over (1994)": The word "influential" may not be necessary for the reader to understand in this context.
I will do a full, proper review when I get the chance, but the article currently auto fails the well-researched criteria because it does not incorporate the latest scholarly work on the topic, Julien Mailland's Soviet Blocks: The Bizarre Puzzle of How Tetris Embraced Western Values published by MIT Press. I realize the book is not even a month old, so this is not a knock on the nominator and the great effort they have put into this article, but it does need to be included. Indrian (talk) 18:12, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately, I don't have access to this book due to it being so recent. Can't find it on the Internet Archive for example. I could try to obtain a physical copy by either requesting it at my local libraries or waiting until I can afford one, but until then, I won't be able to add almost anything from that book. Lazman321 (talk) 00:33, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Lazman321 - That is bad luck on the timing: the Mailland book was published only three weeks ago!! Normally, lack of access to one or two sources is something that can be overlooked in a FAC nomination ... provided the article is using comparable alternative sources. This book by Mailland seems like it may be essential for FA status, unfortunately.
I appreciate everyone coming together here to try and find a solution, and I hope we can reach one. The timing is awkward, but the book is definitely essential and contains information not contained in similar sources (to the extent there even are similar sources, since video game history is still contained more in popular works rather than scholarly ones). The main area it addresses that the article does not cover is the rights mess that emerged in 1995 and beoynd. The tl;dr here is that research into court documents and interviews with lawyers reveal that the whole rights reverting to Pajitnov and the formation of TTC is not so straightforward: there probably was no rights reversion, and Belikov was likely acting illegally in claiming any Tetris rights were granted to him by former Soviet state institutions. Without this material, the article is currently incomplete and slightly inaccurate. Indrian (talk) 18:08, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Thank you all. I managed to convince my local library to order a copy of Soviet Blocks, so I might be able incorporate it after all. I'll check back in once I receive it. Lazman321 (talk) 01:29, 22 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Great! Thank you for putting in the effort. Let me know when you are done incorporating material from it, so I can do a full review. Indrian (talk) 21:09, 29 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Indrian: I finally finished incorporating the book into the article. Thanks for bringing my attention to it, as it was very insightful into the history of Tetris. When you do your review, if there's any details from the book that you dispute, I'd be willing to send you a copy of the pages being cited. Lazman321 (talk) 18:06, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
This article covers an Australian variant of the British Ordnance QF 25-pounder artillery gun that was developed for jungle combat during the Second World War. The 25-pounder Short was designed and tested in a matter of weeks in late 1942 to meet the Australian Army's need for portable artillery. A total of 213 guns were eventually built in Australia and the British adapted the design late in the war. Many Australian artillery gunners disliked the weapon, not least as it gave its gun crews concussion, but historians regard it as a successful weapon.
I've been plinking away at this article for a long time. It passed a Military History Wikiproject A-class review way back in 2010, but there weren't enough sources available to me at the time to take it further. I have since been able to expand the article, and am hopeful that it meets the FA criteria. Thank you in advance for your comments. Nick-D (talk) 07:05, 26 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Note: I am going to be travelling for the next few days, and will respond to any further comments after I return home on 9 November. Nick-D (talk) 09:29, 4 November 2026 (UTC)reply
File:25_pounder_Short_1944.jpg: per the Australian tag, "please provide information of where the image was first published". Ditto File:2-8_Field_Regt.jpg, File:Australian_gunners_manhandling_a_25-pounder_artillery_gun_in_New_Guinea_during_1942.jpg, File:Short_25_pdr_Balikpapan.jpg, File:AWM_078071_2_3rd_Field_Regiment_New_Guinea_January_1945.jpg, File:Australian_gunners_manhandling_a_25-pounder_Short_artillery_gun_in_New_Guinea_during_1944.jpg
I've clarified that these are all PD Australian government, and the Australian War Memorial (which holds the images as part of its function as the relevant government archive) states that they are all PD on their database. Nick-D (talk) 02:18, 27 September 2026 (UTC)reply
File:Standard_and_short_25pdr.jpg is missing publication information and also has a dead source link
Is it possible to tell from the handbooks what the difference between the 13 and 14 part breakdowns was? And perhaps this is too nerdy, but later you mention the buffer and recuperator, neither of which means anything to me; how about a parts list/diagram? That might also allow identification of which parts were and were not modified from the standard (per "The new gun used as many standard 25-pounder parts as possible, but included a number of major differences").
The source doesn't say what the difference between the different hand books was, unfortunately. I haven't seen these works in any libraries, so they would be primary sources held in archives which I'm not qualified to interpret. We don't seem to have very good articles or images on the different bits of artillery guns, but I've linked the terms wherever possible, tweaked the text and added a couple of notes on the more significant parts, which I hope is helpful. The text describes the key differences between the standard and short guns, so a table/list would just repeat this (note also that the guns had around 2000 individual parts). Nick-D (talk) 10:30, 7 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"and was designated the Ordnance QF 25-pounder Mark IV": per our article, there was a Mark IV barrel and a Mark IV carriage, so should we be a bit more specific here?
That's unsourced in the that article. I've used the terminology in the source I've referenced. I wasn't able to find anything further about this British variant, which seems quite obscure, presumably as only one or two were produced at towards the end of the war. Nick-D (talk) 10:30, 7 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I see that we are mostly working with books and journals, so that's good. Of the books/journals, most of them come from university presses or mass-market publishing houses. However, I note that two entries from the Australia in the War of 1939–1945 series are used. From what I vaguely know of Milhist, these should be okay for FAC, but I must ask: are there any sources cited in the article that can replace the above Australia in the War of 1939–1945?
This is the Australian official history series. It continues to be regarded as the foundation work on Australia's history of the war and remains very widely cited by modern historians (for instance, many of the other works cited in this article drew heavily on the official history), so I don't understand this comment. The series is regularly used in Wikipedia FAs on Australia in the war. Nick-D (talk) 22:00, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I also see that Osprey is cited. I (vaguely) know that it has mixed reception in the milhist circle, but Chris Henry (museum curator) (the author) is a museum curator, so I guess there's some reassurance on the book's reliability... however, given Osprey's (lack of) editing policies, I still ask: is the information in the source factually correct?
Osprey has professional editors and its books are frequently positively reviewed by historians in academic journals. Some Osprey works aren't great, but I'm not seeing any issues with this. Nick-D (talk) 22:00, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The article cites 8 websites, but most of them are used for "this place has an Ordnance QF 25-pounder Short field gun". I wonder if the Anzac Portal citation can be replaced with any of the works cited in the article, though...
The ANZAC Portal was published by the Department of Veteran's Affairs, and this content will have been written by a historian (DVA employs historians as part of its role in commemorating Australia's wars). As it is is being used to cite a basic fact, it seems OK and has the advantage of being a source that's easily available to all readers. Nick-D (talk) 22:00, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
1 primary news source is used, but it's to verify what the military told the press.
Source formatting: looks good. However, some complaints:
Some sources list their publication location as "[city], [state]", while others list it as "[state]"
I have followed the usual convention of not providing further details for cities that are well known as centres of publishing or well known in general. Readers don't need to see 'Sydney, New South Wales' to know what city the work was published in, for instance, but few would know where St Leonards is (a suburb of Sydney). Nick-D (talk) 22:00, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
It seems that citations for the Royal Australian Artillery Historical Company webpages don't have the website name... looking at the website, it would probably be something like "artilleryhistory.org" or "Artillery History"
Comprehensiveness: hmmm... Google Scholar and JSTOR don't give me anything useful. TWL Ebsco gives me some results, but none of them contain the exact phrasing, so I think they might be trivial mentions... it never hurts to check though.
Thank you, but I'm not seeing any sources at Ebsco about this gun. Searching for "25-pounder Short" there returns no results. Nick-D (talk) 22:00, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The artillery component of each of the AIF's infantry divisions comprised three field regiments. Additional field regiments were assigned to higher headquarters, such as I Corps. This was consistent with the organisation of equivalent British Army units.
Google Books (annoyingly) doesn't give me pages in its preview, and I only have an EPUB copy of the book. I am able to verify "The artillery component of each of the AIF's infantry divisions comprised three field regiments... This was consistent with the organisation of equivalent British Army units" through the "2nd AIF" section in Chapter 7, but I'm not sure where the other sentence is exactly located in the book – could you provide an approximate location of where the sentence appears in the book?
p. 75 states "the AIF divisions [were - sic] organised on British lines, in which divisional artilleries comprised three field regiments...". p. 75 states that "Corps troops artillery comprised reinforcing field regiments...". The page also describes the structure of the AIF at the divisional and corps levels.
p. 76 states "the AIF's field artillery was also gradually re-equipped by Britain with the new 25-pounder field gun"
p. 222 is a table with the artillery component of the Australian Army in the Middle East circa mid-1941. It notes that the 1st Australian Corps included three field regiments and the 6th, 7th and 9th division each included three field regiments. Nick-D (talk) 00:44, 24 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The 25-pounder was well suited to the open conditions the Army experienced in the Mediterranean and Middle East theatres but difficult to deploy in dense jungle terrain. While the developed road network in Malaya allowed it to be moved by vehicles during the Malayan Campaign, the extremely rugged terrain and limited transport infrastructure in New Guinea meant that the guns could only be moved away from coastal plains and airfields by manhandling.
I'm aware that the fighting in the Middle East and the Mediterranean are generally considered to be part of one theatre, but the source says "In the operational areas—Great Britain, the Middle East, and later Malaya — the batteries were gradually equipped with new British 25-pounder guns", so I'm not too sure if Pratten is referring specifically to the Middle East or the entire theatre... my guess is the former?
That's a good catch: I should have limited this to "Middle East" and will tweak the text. It looks like I used the rather-misnamed Wikipedia article here (the concept of a combined 'Mediterranean, Middle East and African theatres of World War II' isn't common in British and Australian works on the war, which usually refer to just the Middle East and/or North Africa, and treat the East Africa campaigns separately). Nick-D (talk) 00:44, 24 October 2026 (UTC)reply
O'Brien's engineering experiences are supported in that specific page, but I'm not sure if the other fact is covered by the other citation (see below).
The Google Books preview doesn't actually show me the entire page if I search up "O'Brien", so I will need a photograph or excerpt of the relevant page.
Grey (p. 109) states "there is no question that O'Brien was its [the 25-pounder Short's] initiator and did the early design modification drafts himself". I've corrected the page number in the article. Nick-D (talk) 23:44, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The 25-pounder Short had a maximum range approximately 87 percent that of the standard gun. It could use three standard charges to obtain a range of up to 10,400 yards (9,500 m). This range could be extended to 11,500 yards (10,500 m) if a super charge was used, though standing instructions warned against doing so except in emergencies due to the strain they placed on the gun carriage.
I will need a photograph or excerpts of the relevant pages
p. 201 states "a total of 212 Short 25-prs were made" p. 94 states "with all requirements met by 1944, production of the Short 25-pr was terminated" Nick-D (talk) 10:17, 23 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I will need a photograph or excerpts of the relevant pages
P. 200 (which is a table summarising the gun's key statistics and features) states that the "theatres used" were "New Guinea and Islands" (the literature on the war in Australia defines the 'islands' as the various islands other than New Guinea where the Army fought: e.g. Borneo and the Solomon Islands). The table also gives "date of introduction" as 1943 and "date of withdrawal" as 1946. The article separately notes examples of the guns being used in the Solomon Islands and Borneo in the Army's campaigns there in final period of the war. Nick-D (talk) 00:44, 24 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The lack of a gun shield and the shortened barrel exposed gun crews to a severe backblast each time the gun was fired. As a result, gunners often suffered mild concussions and nosebleeds by the end of fire missions.
The source (p. 21) states "the absence of the shield, combined with the severe back blast from the shortened barrel firing ammunition designed for the standard gun, had a very adverse effect on the crew. It was not unusual for the crew to end a lengthy fire task suffering mild concussion, even nose bleeds, as a result of the back blast." Nick-D (talk) 23:44, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Icepinner: I'm not disclosing my email address to you as you are requesting here. That is not a reasonable request, as this is not a common practice in FAC spot checks. Nick-D (talk) 09:19, 23 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I'm really sorry, Nick-D. I wasn't aware that this isn't common practice. I was under the impression that it was okay since in a spot-check for a past FAC, the nominator did give me page scans of a book I did not have access to via email. But thanks for telling me; I'll keep it in mind in the future:-)
Is there a way you can provide me with the relevant information from those citations, like providing quotations on this page? Alternatively, in lieu of said citations, I am willing to review other citations of sources that I should have access to. Icepinner(Come to Hakurei Shrine!)10:00, 23 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I can provide quotes for most of them this weekend. A couple of sources are in libraries, and will take until the following weekend. Nick-D (talk) 10:05, 23 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Out of 11 citations, only 1 had an issue, and it was relatively minor. Given this, I am therefore confident that the source has sufficient source-to-text integrity and will pass the spot-check and source review. Icepinner(Come to Hakurei Shrine!)06:13, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
10,200 yds provided in infobox, 10,400 yds provided in body
Well spotted. The two sources used here give slightly different figures. I'll standardise on Gower (as he provides a comprehensive table for each type of artillery the Australian Army had used up to the time of publishing, sourced to primary and highly specialised sources, and is a specialist on this topic), but will add a note. Nick-D (talk) 10:01, 23 October 2026 (UTC)reply
For the muzzle velocity, I presume that's the maximum velocity when firing with three charges, since it is a variable-charge gun? If so, I think it should be specified.
I'm a little confused by Assembled guns could also be towed by a jeep, which was advantageous as it was possible to transport these vehicles inside aircraft. seemingly being contradicted later by Jeeps proved to be unsuitable as gun tractors. – was this specific to New Guinea?
I've tweaked the wording here - the former is what was intended during the development and testing process, and I was slightly overstating what the source says about operational experience, which was that it was difficult rather than impossible to use jeeps to tow the guns. Nick-D (talk) 10:01, 23 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I'm sure I read this and meant to leave comments earlier: a few belated ones below. In general, my major stumbling block throughout is the technical terminology and the (lack of) explanations behind it. Some of the questions below are probably a little facetious, for which I apologise, but I hope they show where at least some readers are likely to become confused.
The article seems to use an auto-generated short description, which is not particularly helpful and has a grammar error (space on either side of the slash). Could it have a better one?
The development of the Ordnance QF 25-pounder Short was an important achievement for Australia's defence industry: this seems a bit woolly, and I must admit to having been trained by reading too much AI writing to have a Pavlovian reaction against vague superlatives like this. Important why? In the body, we seem to have only one commentator (Gower) who is really very positive about the thing, and he does at least give a (rather muted) reason as to why we might consider its manufacture a success.
Historians regard the weapon as a success : this certainly doesn't seem to be supported by the body! It isn't just a synthesis of all the individual (mostly very caveated) historians' statements, is it?
I am unsure why you are only quoting part of this sentence, which reads "Historians regard the weapon as a success but note its limitations". This is discussed with supporting references at Ordnance QF 25-pounder Short#Assessments and I think that the summary in the lead reflects this. The lead also notes that gunners didn't like the thing. Nick-D (talk) 22:09, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
As I read the body, I don't see a cited statement saying "historians generally think the gun was successful". I see a few historians saying "well, it had good points, despite its obvious bad ones", but we can't synthesise the individual judgements we happen to have cited into a broad statement about the state of the field. Even then, I'm not sure I see any of the historians we cite as really calling it a "success", so much as "not an unmitigated disaster". UndercoverClassicistT·C09:23, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
This seems fine per WP:LEAD, as it summarises what each of the historians I've quoted say: they all say that the gun did what it needed to do but was problematic. The 3rd para of WP:LEAD notes that it should "summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies", and this text is in line with that. Nick-D (talk) 09:48, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I'm afraid I read it as pretty much textbook SYNTH: If one reliable source says A and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C not mentioned by either of the sources. This would be an improper editorial synthesis of published material to imply a new conclusion, which is not allowed (emphasis mine). Does any reliable source say anything to the effect of "historians regard the weapon as a success"? If so, we should put that in the body and cite it. If not, we can't say it, even (or perhaps especially) in the lead. UndercoverClassicistT·C09:52, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I am really confused here to be frank. You have stared out by misquoting the sentence here to imply that I was arguing that the gun was great when sources don't support it, and are now claiming that text in the lead which is in line with what the sources say is WP:SYNTH. I am not here with some kind of agenda to argue that a dodgy weapon was great. I've added a 'several' ahead of historians and 'overall' ahead of sucess which I hope clarifies this issue. Nick-D (talk) 10:02, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
What we now have is better, but I still don't think it's quite there. We now have Several historians have written that the weapon was an overall success, but note its limitations in the lead. In the body, we have Post-war assessments of the gun's performance are generally positive -- which doesn't seem to be sourced -- followed by:
Mellor, who says that there are "extremely divergent views" of the gun, and that ultimately its shortcomings were outweighed by its good points.
Gower, who says that it was a significant (which doesn't necessarily mean good or successful) development, and a success in industrial/design terms.
Johnston, who says that nobody liked it, but perhaps that they weren't giving it an entirely fair hearing.
Henry, who says that it ultimately did a good job, once heavily modified.
Grey, who agrees with Mellor (presumably: that it wasn't that bad overall), and points out that it had good reasons for being a bit rubbish.
I can't see what we have in the lead as a reflective summary of the body, or indeed that Post-war assessments of the gun's performance are generally positive is a reasonable summary of the material that follows it (which would exempt it from the need for direct citation). Mellor and Grey (which is two) actually say something to the effect of what's in the lead: the others all say something slightly different. I think we could do with maybe three steps here:
Everyone agrees, one way or the other, that the gun was not all that good at being an artillery piece. This seems to have been the general view of the gunners themselves, and indeed the Australian and British governments, who got rid of it as soon as there was an opportunity to do so.
Some historians (Grey, Threlfall, Mellor) point out that it was a compromise -- the alternative "good" gun simply wasn't workable in the jungle -- and so perhaps "good enough" given the circumstances, though they see to agree with point a) that it was objectively not great.
Equally, some historians -- often the same people (Gower, Threlfall) -- locate the success more in the fact that Australia was able to design and build its own gun in the first place, and to do so very quickly, not as to whether the end product was all that good at its job.
OK, I think I see what you mean (though the sources are more positive about the gun than you imply - e.g. it was a good-enough type of thing), and I've re-worked this para. Nick-D (talk) 08:01, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
The artillery component of each of the AIF's infantry divisions comprised three field regiments. : what sort of scale are we talking about here? How many divisions did the AIF have? Was a division a big unit? Is three regiments a large fraction of that division?
Please see the wikilinks to those terms that are included in the text. The article later describes how many artillery guns were in a regiment. I don't think that we need to describe the structure of the Australian Army in detail in an article on one of its many weapons, given that Wikilinks will do the job here. Nick-D (talk) 22:09, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
As noted in one of the reviews above, that footnote was added only as we don't have articles explaining what these bits of artillery are. We do have articles on those military units, so there's no reason to clutter this article with generic stuff. Nick-D (talk) 09:48, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"This is explained in other articles" isn't an argument for not explaining it here: this article is the one going through FAC, which means it needs to meet (under FACR 2) MOS:NOFORCELINK in its own right. Although "make technical articles understandable" isn't explicitly named in the FACR, I'd argue that it's part of having prose ... of a professional standard ... [which] neglects no major facts or details (FACR 1a/b). UndercoverClassicistT·C09:56, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I've added a short note on this. I am mindful of MOS:BTW though, as Wikipedia articles explicitly don't need to be self-contained as the links are one of our core features. Nick-D (talk) 10:33, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Field artillery ... was equipped with guns : in the abstract, I think "artillery" normally means the guns themselves, rather than the people who operate them. Suggest "field artillery units were..."
The Citizen Military Forces (CMF) units that remained in Australia : were these identical to AIF units except for their place of service?
Not initially: the history here is quite complex, and largely outside of the scope of this article. By the time the 25-pounder short was issued, the AIF and CMF divisions that used it had the same structure, which the article describes (the Jungle division) structure. Nick-D (talk) 22:27, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
More to the point, they were a different category of soldier: militiamen, not regulars. My point is that readers should understand the distinction without having to click on the link. UndercoverClassicistT·C09:27, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
That is not at all relevant to the article though. There's not much point cluttering the article with generic stuff about the structure of the Australian Army in the years before this gun existed. Nick-D (talk) 09:48, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The 25-pounder was well suited to the open conditions the Army experienced in the Middle East theatre but difficult to deploy in dense jungle terrain: clearer, I think, as "was difficult to deploy".
What's a pack howitzer? Or, for that matter, a howitzer?
Howitzers is now linked. There's a link to the gun in question that explains what it is: an artillery gun that could be disassembled and carried in parts. I've also added a more general link to pack gun. Nick-D (talk) 03:23, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
large calibre mortars. hyphenate. How large are we talking?
The source doesn't say unfortunately, but it was presumably the 4.2 inch mortars that the Army made fairly modest use of during the war. Nick-D (talk) 03:14, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Official historian David Dexter credited the concept of developing a lightened version of the 25-pounder to two officers from the 2/2nd Field Regiment.: I haven't read the source, but this seems like a strange thing to describe as being "invented": surely almost every poor individual who had to push the thing around had the idea that it would be nice if it were lighter? Presumably we're talking about the first serious effort to actually design one, rather than the concept that someone might theoretically do so?
I've added some material on earlier cases of gunners removing what they could from standard 25-pounders. The source states: "meanwhile encouraging progress was made with a lightened 25-pounder, originally suggested by Lieut-Colonel A . E. Arthur and Lieutenant R. Gamon, both formerly of the 2/2nd Field Regiment". I've tweaked the text to reflect this. Nick-D (talk) 04:53, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
O'Brien was an experienced engineer in civilian life : had been, I think: he was by now a full-time soldier without a civilian life.
Like almost all senior officers in the Australian Army at the time, he was a citizen soldier who had both a substantial civilian and military career in parallel and would have returned to his civilian occupation after the war, so this kind of phrasing is what is used in Australian sources. Saying he 'had been' an engineer is misleading given he remained current as such and returned to this occupation. Nick-D (talk) 22:09, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
namely high explosive, armour piercing, smoke, gas, propaganda and illumination shells: hyphenate the two-word modifiers here. What's a propaganda shell?
it was nicknamed the 'snort' by Australian soldiers. The weapon has also been referred to as the 'baby' 25-pounder: double quotes here and in similar contexts (MOS:SINGLE)
The cost to produce each weapon in 1944 was £3,300.: was that a lot? And I assume we mean Australian pounds, in which case we should in any case give an equivalent in a major currency.
Trying to explain what this compares to 82 years later is very complex, and out of the scope of the article. There is a link here to the Australian pound article, which explains the history of this currency which I think is also outside of the article's scope. Nick-D (talk) 22:09, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I'm pretty sure I've opposed FACs for using that template, as it's wrong-headed. I'm an economist by training, and it's really hard to make meaningful comparisons of prices across lengthy periods. Simply applying the inflation rate isn't meaningful given that the cost of producing stuff was totally different across times, the national wealth has grown, etc, etc. Historians generally steer clear of trying to do this. Nick-D (talk) 09:48, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I've added a figure here in a note reflecting how the Reserve Bank of Australia expresses changes in the value of money over time (note the complexity of the data and methodology on the source website). It would not be possible to make a direct comparison of the cost of the artillery in modern terms given that military equipment isn't part of the consumer price index and and there have been major changes to the structure and wealth of the Australian economy (e.g. due to de-industrialisation it may actually be significantly more expensive to produce relatively simple Second World War-era artillery in modern Australia than it was at the time given the ecosystem of heavy industry suppliers and workers is much reduced). Nick-D (talk) 01:06, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
to allow super charge to be used : is this the usual phrasing: not e.g. "charges", "a super charge"?
All three remaining AIF infantry divisions and three CMF divisions were converted to the jungle division structure in 1943.: it would be helpful to have some context here, if only in an EFN: what had happened to the other AIF infantry divisions? How many CMF divisions were there in total?
I think that that would be out of scope of the article. The 8th Division was destroyed in early 1942, leaving only three AIF infantry divisions (the linked article on the AIF discusses this), and the other CMF divisions weren't issued this gun. Nick-D (talk) 00:11, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Personally, I think it would be helpful to be able to say e.g. "three of the four CMF divisions", or "three of the two hundred CMF divisions": we've given readers a number but no way of contextualising it, unless they happen to know how big the CMF was. Personally, I'd explain the word "remaining" too, having used it, but I can see that one as an acceptable disagreement of taste. UndercoverClassicistT·C11:33, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
focus their artillery component on supporting close-quarter combat. Long-range bombardment : these things are presented as opposites, but they aren't: in theory, long-range gunnery could support close-quarter combat. We mean, I think, that their artillery components were focused on providing close-range support.
Not exactly: the army was expecting that combat would be fought at very short ranges between opposing forces (e.g. groups of men fighting in dense jungle). I've clarified this. Nick-D (talk) 04:53, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
with others being held in reserve and attached to infantry units as needed.: held in reserve at what level: corps? Infantry divisions, brigades, regiments?
The source doesn't specify. It would have been a mix of being held at corps and army level, as well as possibly reporting to the headquarters of the overall army. The Australian Army's structure was quite fluid and complex by this stage of the war. Nick-D (talk) 22:42, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
One of each field regiment's three batteries was re-equipped with the new guns. Field batteries equipped with the guns: was there such thing as a non-field regiment or battery? Were they treated differently?
Yes, the Australian Army had coastal, medium and heavy artillery batteries and regiments as well as anti-tank ("tank-attack" in Australian terminology) regiments. They did not operate these guns, so are out of scope of the article. The current text specifies that we're only talking about field artillery units here. Field artillery regiments also usually had a support battery that handled logistics, etc. Nick-D (talk) 04:53, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Only a light anti-aircraft battery, which was a totally different type of unit to field artillery. The other types of artillery units weren't part of divisions and seem to have been very rarely attached to them. Nick-D (talk) 10:37, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The guns were usually transported in a jeep: in the jeep, or were they towed? We later talk about the jeeps being "gun tractors", which implies the latter.
Yes, in the jeep. As the article notes, using jeeps to tow the guns didn't work well in combat areas. I've looked for sources to explain how this worked, but haven't found any. The Australian War Memorial's collection database has photos showing disassembled guns in the back of jeeps which I imagine is how they were transported (especially as gun crews could pull them apart and put them back together in a few minutes). Nick-D (talk) 22:42, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
We surely need at least plural jeeps: only going from our article, the Willys MB had a carrying capacity of 800 lbs cross-country, and one of these guns plus its carriage weighed three and a half times that. So to carry the whole thing would take four jeeps at least, not counting the size and weight of the crew or ammunition. UndercoverClassicistT·C08:35, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
I suspect that you're right (though these artillery guns are surprisingly small when you see them in person). The source says "the gun troop had four guns each assigned to a jeep with one gun stowed in it and 24 rounds of ammunition", and I haven't been able to find out more about this specifically. Cecil though says that the two methods of moving the gun were towing it or disassembling it, which is suggestive but unfortunately not explicit that the guns were split across multiple jeeps. I'll tweak the wording here to 'in jeeps'. I suspect that Henry may have been unaware that the jungle divisions were not allocated enough transport to move all their stuff at once, so used their vehicles as shuttles. Nick-D (talk) 09:01, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Yes, and I imagine some of the parts of the guns were small enough for unlucky gunners to be told to hump them to wherever the jeep(s) were going. But I think the plural covers us: a sentence like "the trees are being carried by elephants" allows that one elephant is carrying one tree, or that two of them are sharing the job. UndercoverClassicistT·C09:23, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
The usual practice was to allocate a field battery from the regiment to each of the division's infantry brigades: how many infantry brigades are there in a division?
during the landing at Nadzab: it would be a good idea to say where this was, I think.
I've added the general location. The geography here is very obscure for everyone except for Papua New Guineans and Australians with a strong interest in the 1943 campaigns, so clicking on the link is the best option for general readers wondering where this place is. Nick-D (talk) 04:53, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The buffer was filled with oil, which was compressed when the gun was fired: I'm not sure I understand this. Oil is a liquid, and liquids can't generally be compressed (at least not by very much).
That's a good point. The source here is quite confusing, especially as my limited education in mechanics was a long time ago, and I think that I added too much detail trying to explain it. I've simplified the text here with a focus on what these things did which I hope is OK. Nick-D (talk) 06:01, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
QF 4.5 inch Howitzer. @ hyphenate, as in article title.
The 25-pounder Short received a mixed reception from gunners: I can't actually see anything positive here!`
That's a fair point. Some historians allude to a not entirely negative view, but provide no examples of any gunners liking the weapon. I've been more definitive here. Nick-D (talk) 00:11, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
historian and retired Major General Steve Gower : decap major general here (it's a job, not part of his name).
We have some ISBN-13s for pre-2007 works. Per WP:ISBN: if an older work only lists an ISBN-10, use that in citations instead of calculating an ISBN-13 for it.
I usually get grumbled at in reviews for not standardising on 10 or 13 digits. As that's not a policy or guideline I'd prefer to leave this as-is, especially as humans will always use computers to find stuff via ISBNs and the software will do the necessary translations. Nick-D (talk) 04:53, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Some places in the bibliography are listed with states, others aren't (Sydney, Canberra): I think this should be consistent. I don't have a major problem with the approach taken of giving countries when there isn't a state because it's outside Australia. Giving both an OCLC and an ISBN is, to me, overkill (the ISBN alone suffices), but I'm not sure I have a major problem with it.
As noted above in response to another review, I've followed the usual convention of not providing further geographic details of places that are likely to be well known to readers due to being a major/prominent city or a well-known centre of publishing (e.g. Sydney vs St Leonards and London vs Botley) Nick-D (talk) 22:42, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
This storm was one of just fourCategory5 Atlantic hurricanes to hit the Bahaman archipelago and affected the same areas as Hurricane Dorian, the most potent cyclone to strike the islands. It also produced widespread effects northeastward over the North Atlantic, ranging from eastern peninsular Florida to Bermuda and Iceland. The storm generated incredible damage from extreme winds and storm surge on the Abaco Islands in the northern Bahamas, resulting in 18fatalities. It caused many other deaths due to shipwrecks or high tides in eastern North America, resulting in 37–38deaths overall. Some grisly facts: this large, powerful storm leveled large stone churches, tossing heavy blocks up to 1⁄2mi (0.80km) away, and exposed corpses at a cemetery. Storm surge in the Bahamas topped 20ft (6.1m), destroying entire settlements. Some people died after the storm, due to weakened buildings collapsing. The storm spawned huge waves from Florida northward, causing severe coastal erosion and numerous shipping incidents. In addition to rough surf and gusty winds, record-low air temperatures arrived soon after the storm bypassed the northeastern United States. Winds up to hurricane force damaged buildings and crops from the Mid-Atlantic to Atlantic Canada. All these details make the 1932 Abaco hurricane worthy to be part of a future List of Category 5 Atlantic hurricanes featured topic. CapeVerdeWave (talk) 08:39, 25 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Seeing that I have an FAC of my own, here are a few first thoughts:
Suggest changing first sentence to include .....hit parts of the Lucayan Archipelago in the Caribbean .... if that is technically and geographically correct as many of us will not have heard the name of that archipelago before, and 'hit' is a stronger word than 'impacted'.
This is already done in the storm infobox caption (beneath the image).
There is "Harv warning: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFLandsea2022"
I do not see this. Can you pinpoint it?
It ıs in the References section after cite 5 - you probably don't have a script installed to see it. I never use harv refs myself as I find them so confusıng but I have User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors installed so I can see the errors. The short explanatıon at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:HarvErrors may help
@Chidgk1: for what it's worth, most tropical cyclone articles include a "List of" in the "see also" section, so curious readers can see what other storms affected a given area. I see CVW linked it in the article, but I went ahead and restored it back to the see also section. See the sections for hurricanes Andrew, Camille, or Sandy. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:17, 25 September 2026 (UTC)reply
@Chidgk1, MSincccc, and Hurricanehink: I also noticed that some meteorological details—about Andros being unaffected, along with the winds on Prince Edward Island and at Halifax—may seem redundant, given that they are not the most noteworthy. However, upon review, I feel that they give some context. The Andros tidbit, combined with the information from other islands, gives an idea as to the size of the storm. Prince Edward Island was mentioned in the first Canada paragraph, so the winds add some extra context, as do the Halifax data. Still, any feedback would be appreciated. CapeVerdeWave (talk) 08:24, 26 September 2026 (UTC)reply
This is a very strong article. The prose is refreshingly clear and direct. Most of my comments are nitpicks. You and Hurricanehink should be proud.
Lede
14–15 people died in Canada
It's a little clunky with the need to express the range, but this would be better without starting the sentence with the numerical figure. I would suggest "Fourteen or fifteen people".
On the following day it became extratropical and turned east-northeast.
I know that extratropical is wiki-linked in the infobox, but still I think wiki-linking it here would also be helpful so that people can click through in situ like they can with every other stage of the storm tropical depression, minimal hurricane, etc.
the storm caused few deaths at sea within the United States
Something's up here, I can't tell if either "at sea" or "within the United States" is an outlier sentence fragment.
I think this can be merged with the previous sentence to: " Ample radio warnings limited the death toll to five in the United States: two each in New Jersey and Massachusetts, and one in New York." ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:03, 28 September 2026 (UTC)reply
totaled several thousand dollars in the United States and over $33,800 in Canada
Would inflation templates be implementable here, or are the figures too vague? The century since the hurricane makes me curious what the costs would be today. The same goes for other listed monetary damages in the article.
Typically, tropical cyclone articles do not give currency inflation estimates. For starters, the global coastline is a lot more populated than it used to be (especially 1932). Also, the US figure of "several thousand dollars" is too vague to be inflated IMO. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:00, 28 September 2026 (UTC)reply
16 smacks and all the fishing stages
As it begins a sentence, this number should be written out.
There are many numbers between zero and ten that are not spelled out throughout the article. I can't demand that you change those, but I think it might be nice, given how many numeric figures a weather-related article like this one necessitates because of wind and pressure estimates.
I was under the impression from MOS:SPELLNUM that it didn't matter if it was a unit conversion, as long as the unit itself was spelled out too, but after sitting with it I think I'm wrong and it's fine as is. Penitentes (talk) 13:44, 29 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Some early comments on the lede and into the meteorological history:
The fourth tropical storm and third hurricane of the annual season, it belonged to a pair of Category5 storms in the Atlantic Ocean, the other happening in November. The cyclone formed ... ⇒ The fourth tropical storm, third hurricane, and first of two Category5 storms during the annual season, the cyclone formed ... – The phrasing as is reads awkwardly to me, and I don't think the Cuba hurricane is relevant enough to mention in the lede.
and crossed the northern Bahamas. In the Bahamas the hurricane killed 18 people and injured 300 – Suggest rephrasing as and crossed the northern Bahamas; it killed 18 people and injured 300 in the country to avoid repeating "Bahamas" only a few words apart.
ImplementedThe link now refers to the Saffir–Simpson scale instead.
as per the hurricane databases (HURDAT) – It was in only one of the two, and I've never heard of HURDAT referred to plurally before.
ImplementedThe article on HURDAT uses the plural, but I have opted for the singular as suggested.
In §Meteorological_history, I don't like where the first paragraph ends and the second begins. I think the break is a sentence too early, and that breaking it off at This made the storm one of ... harms the flow. Starting the second paragraph where the storm turns north would make more sense to me.
Implemented
Regarding the dissipation near Russia, the lede is more specific than the met history, when it should be the other way around.
ImplementedThe lede now reads:
On the next day it lost tropical features. Its remnants brushed the Maritimes, Iceland, and northern Scandinavia, ending near northwestern Russia on September17.
As for the meteorological history as it now stands:
So far so good, continuing on through the rest of the article:
Additionally, 103 homes were more or less damaged – Why "more or less"?
That phrase has been removed.
Homes at Recontre lost a few roofs. → A few homes at Recontre lost their roofs. (the current version makes it sound like each home lost a few roofs; I can't imagine each one would have had more than one or two)
Implemented
Saltwater intrusion contaminated well water on the island, on Elbow Cay, and in nearby areas, as did animal carcasses. → Saltwater intrusion and animal carcasses contaminated well water on the island, on Elbow Cay, and in nearby areas. (helps the flow)
Implemented
The storm coincided with a seven-year span of severe hurricanes in the Bahamas, notably in 1926, 1928, 1929, and 1933. – I don't think "coincided" is the right word here; it's not a coincidence if the storm helped to make it a bad stretch for Bahamian hurricanes.
@CapeVerdeWave @Hurricanehink I was gonna start the review but I just noticed that all the links to the HURDAT reanalysis are not working. Says there's maintenance going on and the HRD site is being upgraded, not sure if they'll still work after that or not just a heads up before anything else. MCRPY22 (talk) 17:46, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Anya Christina Emmanuella Jenkins (aka Anyanka, Aud or simply ANYA) is a thousand-year-old capitalist ex-demon with rabbit phobia known for her tactless lines such as "Oh, you mean an orgasm friend?" or "Can I trade in the children for more cash?" A fan-favourite character from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, she, for the most part, serves as comic relief, though she is surprisingly poignant at times (see: "The Body"). Anyhow, I overhauled this article earlier this year, and now, I think it's ready for the bronze star. Pamzeis (talk) 15:59, 19 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Leaving this here for now, to let you know I plan on making comments as soon as I am able. Great work on this article. And I love Anya's monopoly line. XD--PanagiotisZois (talk) 11:29, 26 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Been quite a long time since I saw the show. What exactly happens with "She seduces him in an attempt to move on, but she fails"? Did she have sex with him because she thought it would help her move on from her feeling, but was still into him? How did she fail?
"She is often frustrated with him, as he refuses to announce their engagement until Halloween". Is there a particular reason for Xander waiting until Halloween?
Nope, it's just a sorta impulsive decision. I put it this way, 'cuz I didn't wanna go something like "...he refuses to announce their engagement. He impulsively announces it at Halloween." because it feels kinda repetitive and wordy, and the main point (for Anya's article, at least) isn't that he eventually does it; it's that he doesn't for a really long time, I guess? I hope that makes sense. Pamzeis (talk) 06:28, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Comic books
"especially his guilt from abandoning her". "Over" seems like a better choice than "from".
Regarding Anya's death at the end, I have a few questions. Firstly, Whedon wanting to kill of a character in a brutal fashion. Was this something he want to do specficially in the finale, or generally at some point throughout the season?
If possible, a very brief explanation of the "id" and "abject self" would be helpful.
Defined id, but looking at the source for the abject bit, the writer doesn't seem to specify whose interpretation of the concept he's referring to, so I'm hesitant to broadly define it here. I think maybe the readers can just click on the link here if they're interested and read about the various interpretations, 'cuz I'm not sure how to explain all of them here. Pamzeis (talk) 06:28, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Had a small question for clarification. The end of the first paragraph states that Anya wanting an independend purpose is a rejection of the postfeminist idea of "feminism vs. femininity", AND that her looking for an independent purpose is a trait of third-wave feminism, right?
Checked the source—it just says "[Buffy and Anya] ultimately reject some of the principles of post-feminist thought in favor of more third- wave feminist conceptions of power, strength, and identity." I guess my wording there is stretching that a bit, so removed the bit about third-wave feminism. Pamzeis (talk) 06:28, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Ah, I think I see what Levine meant here. In the early 2000s, we have competing ideas of feminism; those of third-wave feminism and those of postfeminism. Anya wanting an independent purpose is a rejection of the postfeminist viewpoint of "femininity vs. feminism" and an alignment with third-wave feminism and its "conceptions of power, strength, and identity". I think the inclusion of the bit about the third wave was actually not only helpful but also an important part of Levine's point. PanagiotisZois (talk) 09:26, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Reception
This section may require some restructuring. Especially since it's' good to separate such sections by a common "theme".
I've overhauled this section a bit. Admittedly, I found it pretty hard to work with here, given the commentary on the actual character is kinda sparse. I hope it works better now. Pamzeis (talk) 06:28, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
For one thing, the third "paragraph" should go right after the comment that "Anya later became a fan-favorite character" at the start. Something like "character, being ranked 3rd by /Film, 7th by TV Line, etc.". And once you do that, then bring up the why she became a fan favourite.
Following that, I think the section about her being a fan favourite should be an independent paragraph.
"Reviewing Caulfield's acting," and after can also be a section by itself about how praise was aimed at Caulfield's acting.
Similarly, the 2nd paragraph can be separated into one talking about her and Xander's relationship, while the last one is about her death.
Thank you for going back and rewriting the section on Anya and feminism vs. femininity. It actually made me interested in reading Levine's article itself. Moreover, the overall articles and the ways through which Anya has (and can) been discussed makes me want to go back and rewatch the show for her.
Now that all the changes have been implemented, I would like to go back and reread the whole thing, just to make sure. The few additional comments I'd like to make are these: you don't need Anya's "full" name in the lede, having it only in the infobox is fine; I do think that the lede is a bit too short. It would be nice if a few more things were added, such as material from the development section and the character's evolution. Also, the infobox need to point out the specific issue in which Anya's ghost last appears in. PanagiotisZois (talk) 13:50, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
You've been a great reviewer at the PR for "Believe", and I'd like to return the favor; reading now. (Disclaimer: this review will be used in the WikiCup.) Dylan620 (he/they/she • talk • edits) 19:55, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Stellar work, Pamzeis. I have very little to comment on:
Grief-stricken, Anya becomes a vengeance demon again. Anya tries to exact vengeance on Xander. I think that these two sentences could be merged, and doing so would aid the flow.
who had a prior relationship with one of the show's casting directors – I would specify that this was a working relationship. Maybe rephrase as who had previously worked with one of the show's casting directors?
Given that it's only two small issues, and I trust that they will be rebuked with justification or fixed, I'm going ahead and supporting on prose. Dylan620 (he/they/she • talk • edits) 05:52, 6 October 2026 (UTC)reply
You're linking to seasons like the third season, so maybe change She became a part of the show's main cast in the fifth to "She became a part of the show's main cast in the fifth"
with studies focusing on identity, symbolism, gender, and sexuality —> "with studies focusing on her identity, symbolism, gender, and sexuality"
This one's interesting; right now, I'm more inclined to retain the prose as is, because while "her identity" would be correct, the pronoun would make some of the rest of the sentence a bit awkward, since it'd appear to modify all of the following bits. "Her symbolism" and (perhaps to a lesser extent) "her gender" wouldn't really make sense. I suppose it could be "focusing on symbolism, gender, sexuality, and her identity", but I think the current one's also fine, as identity's also a broad theme akin to sexuality, etc. I'm open to being swayed though. Pamzeis (talk) 19:12, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
get into the head of ... Whedon —> "get into the head of [...] Whedon"
Anya's fate in the series finale drew mixed opinions. In commentary on "Selfless", Rolling Stone wrote that Anya's decision to establish her own identity and death contributed to her seventh-season development being "quietly one of the most compelling".
This article is about Gopal Mukund Huddar, an Indian anti-colonial activist and anti-fascist soldier. Originally affiliated with the Hindu far-right, he later shifted to left-wing politics and fought in the Spanish Civil War as a member of the International Brigades. Though a pretty interesting figure, he has largely been forgotten since and the available reliable sources on him haven't allowed me to piece together everything about him, but I have tried my best.
I had previously nominated this for an FAC a few months back but it didn't pass due to a lack of participation and commentary. I am arriving here after having nominated this for peer review and improving the article through that. I believe the article meets all FA criteria and draws on all reliable sources I could find on this figure. — EarthDude (Talk) 20:31, 18 September 2026 (UTC)reply
As far as I understand, that specific tag refers to a pre-1931 publication or cases where copyright notices or renewals are lacking. This image falls into the second category. — EarthDude (Talk) 05:14, 20 September 2026 (UTC)reply
The third entry under "Works Published Abroad After 1 January 1978" states, "Published without copyright notice, and in the public domain in its source country as of URAA date", where this image falls under. However, it isn't accompanied by any commons copyright tag. — EarthDude (Talk) 20:06, 25 September 2026 (UTC)reply
@Nikkimaria Could you give me an advice on what to do here? I found a suitable entry at the Hirtle chart for this image, but that entry isn't accompanied by any copyright tag to use. What tag should be used in such instances? — EarthDude (Talk) 18:37, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Ah, nevermind. Sorry, I misunderstood the India PD tag. The commons copyright rules for India say "Photographs created before 1958 are in the public domain 50 years after creation". So, this image should have entered the public domain in India in 1986, since it was created in 1936. — EarthDude (Talk) 05:40, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure if I'll do a deep dive on this, but I'll just note that I reviewed this when it was at Peer Review. I generally liked what I saw there and encouraged EarthDude to bring it here. I'll keep an eye on this and perhaps (no promises) come back for a more detailed review, but I think it would be better to let some other people give it a read before I do that. RoySmith(talk)01:37, 26 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Article says "He has since been largely forgotten" So are you sure this article still needs extended protection? Did you know that nowadays pending changes protection is possible? Chidgk1 (talk) 14:32, 27 September 2026 (UTC)reply
I don't know if there is a formal rule about it but rather than (transl. Supreme Leader) I would be happy to have "Supreme Leader" link to the İndian word. Similarly for (transl. General Secretary) Chidgk1 (talk) 14:54, 27 September 2026 (UTC)reply
I meant not having brackets but simply linking the words "Supreme Leader" to sarsanghchalak. However it is not important just a thought. Chidgk1 (talk) 05:02, 29 September 2026 (UTC)reply
I wonder whether the controversial thing about this article is the claimed "lack of engagement of the RSS with the Indian independence movement"? If so I think the cites for that ought to have quotes from the sources, especially if they are not online. Sorry I feel unable to either support or oppose this article to be featured as I don't know how reliable or neutral point of view the cite for note 4. is Chidgk1 (talk) 16:15, 27 September 2026 (UTC)reply
For content proposals, such as why he was adopted and why he didn't join WW2, I'm afraid the limited sourcing on him don't seem to cover that. — EarthDude (Talk) 11:14, 28 September 2026 (UTC)reply
I have since added quotes in the sources for the RSS and anti-colonial engagement statement and have edited the note to be much more neutral. Hopefully, that resolves your concerns. — EarthDude (Talk) 18:40, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"({{Translation|General Secretary}}): what's the benefit of the translation template, here and elsewhere? If this were just "first sarkaryavah (General Secretary)" I think the reader would be in no doubt this was a translation.
"to increasingly estrange itself from him": I think it's not very natural to use "estrange" reflexively, and it's normally used in the passive -- "he became estranged from" or "they were estranged". Suggest "to increasingly distance itself".
Are there any more details about the armed robbery? Who/what was the target? Was he caught in the act? Is there any newspaper coverage of the trial?
I haven't found any more reliable sourced coverage of the armed robbery. However, I did add some details that were present in the sources being used which weren't previously given in this article. I will try to find contemporary newspaper coverage of the trial though. — EarthDude (Talk) 21:24, 8 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"he became increasingly influenced by the international solidarity shown towards the Republican cause in the Spanish Civil War": is "solidarity" the right word? It's not true that everyone outside Spain supported the Republican cause.
I'd say that solidarity is still the right word because while the article states that international solidarity was shown, it never states that such solidarity was universal. — EarthDude (Talk) 21:03, 8 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I think "solidarity" implies unity. As I understand it, the Nationalists received more support than the Republicans from foreign governments, though there was more general sympathy for the Republicans. What does the source say? I would guess he was influenced by the support among the intelligentsia for the Republicans, but I don't think we can call that solidarity. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:43, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The source states, Not long after, in September 1936, with the encouragement and financial support of friends, he left for London to study journalism. Six months later, he was attending rallies and meetings addressed by communist and progressive speakers and witnessing the powerful international solidarity for the Left-leaning Spanish Republic's fight against fascist forces of General Francisco Franco. It drew in many individual volunteers from England, who were moved by the Spanish resistance against the tide of 'Hitler, Mussolini, Franco' (including, famously, George Orwell, who wrote about the trenches in Homage to Catalonia, and his wife Eileen). — EarthDude (Talk) 10:50, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I think the source is using "solidarity" to refer to the consistent support among "communicst and progressive speakers" and the like. Could we perhaps qualify this: "he became increasingly influenced by the broad support on the left for the Republican cause..."? "Solidarity" is one of those words with political or even non-neutral overtones; one would never speak of solidarity among supporters of fascism, so saying "international solidarity" without qualifying it implies a left-leaning international worldview, which is going too far. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:22, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Alright. I've changed it to "While in London, he became increasingly influenced by the left's international support for the Republican cause". — EarthDude (Talk) 20:06, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
If the armed robbery is in 1931 and he's released in November 1935 he was not imprisoned for five full years, though I suppose if he were imprisoned in February or so then it's close enough. Do we know when he started his prison sentence?
I haven't found any source which includes the dates of his trial and imprisonment. There is an entry on Huddar in the British National Archives here, which could potentially include the dates, but the specific file hasn't been digitized. — EarthDude (Talk) 20:26, 8 October 2026 (UTC)reply
When he wrote to Fadnavis in 1937, he is writing to the editor of a far-right magazine to argue for fighting against fascism. "Far-right" and "fascism" are not exact synonyms, but this is still a pretty remarkable thing to write. Jha clearly is commenting on this, but I wonder if we can be a bit more direct. Does Huddar not realize the contradiction in his letter? Is his letter a repudiation of the Hindu Mahasabha?
Unfortunately, I haven't found any source which fully details everything Huddar wrote in his letter to Fadnavis. None of the sources mention Huddar talking about the Hindu Mahasabha in the letter though. I'd say another remarkable thing here would be the fact that while Huddar had, at the time, decided to fight against the fascism in Spain, he also enclosed a message alongside the letter to Fadnavis, wherein he urged RSS members to spread their movement across Asia, and he didn't seem to realise that both the movements were aligned in many ways. For instance, Moonje, a founding RSS leader, who Huddar had close relations with early on in his political career, went to fascist Italy to meet with Mussolini and other Italian fascist leaders and copied many mechanisms and aspects of Italian fascist youth organisations to then apply to the RSS. From what I understand from the sources, Huddar, when he wrote the letter to Fadnavis, had seemingly not realized/not come to terms with how similar the organisations and people he was associated with in India and the organisations and people he was fighting against abroad really were. — EarthDude (Talk) 21:16, 8 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I think this is good material if it can be sourced. The last two sentences are just quotes from Jha, which are fine, but if we could put some version of your last couple of sentences in the paragraph you just wrote above into the article that would be helpful. Can you source anything along those lines or is that just your interpretation? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:15, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The final sentence of what I wrote here is just my interpretation from what I read in sources. The information related to Moonje is backed by reliable sources though, so maybe that could be added to the article? — EarthDude (Talk) 21:00, 10 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"Following his release from San Pedro de Cardeña, Huddar had now abandoned many of his earlier views and had come to espouse a worldview": I don't think we can use the past perfect tense after "following". Suggest either "Following his release from San Pedro de Cardeña, Huddar abandoned many of his earlier views and espoused a worldview" or "By the time of his release from San Pedro de Cardeña, Huddar had abandoned many of his earlier views and had come to espouse a worldview". I think the latter is slightly preferable.
"Huddar's shift in perspective led Hedgewar to develop a growing interest in M. S. Golwalkar." Why is this relevant?
While Hedgewar initially intended Huddar to succeed him as the leader of the RSS, their estrangement led to the former getting increasingly closer to Golwalkar instead, who eventually became the one to succeed Hedgewar as the second leader of the RSS. I've added the detail that Golwalkar eventually succeeded Hedgewar to the article. — EarthDude (Talk) 20:59, 8 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"as an emissary of Subhas Chandra Bose": suggest something like "as an emissary of the anti-colonial nationalist Subhas Chandra Bose" or whatever wording is best suited, so the reader doesn't have to click through to understand the relevance.
I don't think I undersand what the anecdote about Bose and Shah visiting Hedgewar is telling me. Why does Huddar think Bose might suspect sabotage? Why would that make him suggest Hedgewar tell Shah about his illness?
In the source, the reason for why Huddar thought Bose might suspect sabotage is not explicitly state. However, it is implied that, since Huddar had had close relations to Hedgewar in the past, and if Hedgewar only told Huddar of his illness and not Shah whom Bose personally knew and seemingly trusted, then Huddar thought Bose might suspect Huddar had sabotaged the mission and covered up for the RSS not participating in the anti-colonial struggle, which the organisation was already infamous for. I didn't want to elaborate all this much since its not explicitly stated in the source and I worried it might violate WP:SYNTH. — EarthDude (Talk) 20:41, 8 October 2026 (UTC)reply
OK, this is a bit clearer now and I do think SYNTH is a risk, though I haven't looked at the source. How about skipping some of the details, and making it something like this: "On 7 July 1939, Huddar visited Hedgewar in Deolali as an emissary of the anti-colonial nationalist Subhas Chandra Bose, who had contacted Hedgewar in Bombay in an effort to involve the RSS in the anti-colonial movement. Accompanied by Shah, an associate of Bose, Huddar found Hedgewar apparently in good health. Huddar told Hedgewar that Bose wished to meet Hedgewar, but Hedgewar declined, claiming to be too ill even to talk to Shah." If you think the information about fearing the appearance of sabotage can be supported by your sources, that's fine, but if it's not clear I think something like these sentences would suffice. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:56, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Jha is among the most reputed scholars when it comes to the study of Hindu nationalism and specifically the RSS. Nevertheless, I've reworked the note to be more in line with what his work says. What are your thoughts on the new version of the note? — EarthDude (Talk) 20:50, 8 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Reading through again, and doing some minor copyediting as I go.
"A former leader of ...": it seems odd to start the second sentence with "A former ..."; we don't have any date context for there to be something former. I think this could be more direct: maybe "In the late 1920s he was a leader of...". But the facts in the second sentence are all repeated in the second paragraph which seems redundant. Do we need the second sentence at all?
When I was expanding the lead during peer review, I tried to look at how other FAs had written their leads. FAs like Abraham Lincoln have a similar lead structure. I've added the detail about his education in the beginning of the second para so it doesn't immediately jump to his RSS work, which should make it less repetitive. Although, I've done the 1920s change you suggested in the second sentence. — EarthDude (Talk) 09:12, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I still think we should be a bit more explicit about the contradictions in his worldview in the "Relationship with the RSS" section. I take your point about the comments you made above being your own thoughts and not directly sourceable, but is there anything in Jha that we can use to say, in Wikipedia's voice (rather than a quote), "Huddar seemed unaware of the contradiction between his support for the Spanish Republican course and his continued support for the right-wing RSS"? Or something along those lines? The later quote from Jha about Huddar being "no longer blind to the motivations that fuelled the RSS" might suffice for this, since it implies he was blind earlier.
This nomination is approaching five weeks in without a support and discussion has stalled. Unless this nomination makes significant further progress towards a consensus to promote over the next few days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchstalk19:47, 21 October 2026 (UTC)reply
FACs are essentially never promoted without at least three supports, plus an image review and a source review. That's just a minimum -- three supports don't guarantee promotion, which is up to the coordinators, who assess consensus. You could try asking Chidgk1 if they would be willing to follow up on the comments they have left so far, or leaving a neutrally worded note with other editors who are interested in related topics to see if they might be interested in reviewing. You can also try reviewing other people's FACs -- there's no quid pro quo at FAC, but helping at other FACs is noticed and makes other editors more inclined to help you in return. (It takes seven or eight reviews on average to promote a FAC so the FAC page does depend on nominators doing a bit of reviewing too.) Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:57, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Ah, I see. I'll try to review some other FACs and hope the editors there pay some attention to this. It'd be quite disappointing if this FAC ended up getting archived as well. — EarthDude (Talk) 18:36, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Geometry Dash is a Swedish indie game released in 2013. While initially it flew under the radar, it quickly picked up popularity and has now grown into one of the most successful indie games of all time. Because of its initial obscurity, however, there are not many reviews from big publications, which has made it extra challenging to get this article up to snuff. After a shoddy GA review and failed FA nom I went back and basically rewrote almost the entire article a second time in March with the help of a Peer Review. If this passes this would be my first FA, and it would be a great honor to bring an article as challenging as this about I game that I've played on-and-off for over a decade to the top tier of quality on Wikipedia. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 09:21, 17 September 2026 (UTC)reply
This table lists 5 random passages from throughout the article (5.1% of 98 total passages).
These passages contain 5 inline citations (4.3% of 117 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. RedShellMomentum21:43, 17 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Geometry Dash was created by Swedish video game developer Robert Topala. In 2010, Topala published his first video game, Bounce Ball Thingy, on Newgrounds, developing it while he was studying civil engineering. He abandoned his course as he became more interested in the video game industry.
David Ingrusee at Indie Hive said that the graphics have the potential to be "excessively beautiful", although that some levels' decoration was overly distracting.
In 2019 Breakit reported that RobTop Games had earned kr 75,200,000 in profit the previous year, and a total profit of kr 313,000,000 for the previous four.
By my count, the word "level" is used almost 70 times throughout the article, including around 30–40 times in #Gameplay—it seems like it's not necessary every time it's used, for example:
Each level is assigned one of six difficulties: "Easy", "Normal", "Hard", "Harder", "Insane", and "Demon".[RT 1] Each levelThey contains three secret coins, requiring the player to take an alternate pathway or complete a task to obtain them.
And also, Completing levels will unlock icon customizations,[7] with classic levels further awarding the player with stars, and platformer levels with moons sticks out to me, because it uses level 3 times within one sentence.
There's a bit of an issue with the "Gameplay" section being quite repetitive in its word choice. I understand there might not be alternatives for these terms, but I think there are certain cases where the structure could be altered or details could be omitted so that we don't get as much repetition.
Looking at the final paragraph, we've got: "There are several collectibles and currencies that can be obtained in various ways. Completing levels will unlock icon customizations,[7] with classic levels further awarding the player with stars, and platformer levels with moons.[4] Levels will also award mana orbs, with 500 mana orbs awarding a Demon key. Demon Keys can be used to unlock chests in the Treasure Room, which will give rewards, such as mana orbs, diamonds, and icon designs.[11] There are also two daily chests which award diamonds,[12] mana orbs, and Demon keys.[13] Mana orbs[14] and diamonds can be used in shops to purchase icon customizations and other cosmetics.[12] Vaults can be unlocked after obtaining certain amounts of collectibles, where entering codes can award further icon customizations.[15][16]" — I think this could definitely be more concise.
I have rewritten a lot of stuff in the gameplay section, but the main problem (for some of these at least) is that there are not really alternative or official terms for much of the jargon; there is not much room for tidying. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 02:56, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"As he continued to develop games, he quit his civil engineering course to pursue his new career, releasing a handful of games prior to Geometry Dash such as Boomlings." — doesn't seem lead-worthy, given it's only tangentially related to the game
I have removed the "such as Boomlings", but kept the rest. I disagree and do think its acceptable for the lead, as this is just one sentence of an otherwise dry paragraph that gives a short but mostly complete narrative on Topala's lead-up to GD. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 02:56, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"He began development in early 2013, being inspired by other titles such as The Impossible Game and Super Meat Boy." — was he inspired to begin development by other titles, or was the game itself inspired by these other titles?
"A practice mode option allows checkpoints to be placed that the player can restart from" — the passive voice is a bit awkward for me here. Can it be in active voice?
"For example, the default Cube game mode allows the player to perform jumps, the Ball game mode lets the player change gravity, while the Ship game mode allows the player to fly." — the use of while seems a bit off to me here because there are three items
"The Dual game mode duplicates the icon, allowing the player to control both at the same time or each individually in Two-Player mode." — I'm having trouble understanding what this means. How do they control both at the same time? What is Two-Player mode? Is Dual game mode a result of the portals as well?
"though this mode doesn't reward certain collectibles" — seems a bit trivial to me, and doesn't make the most sense, given collectibles are not explained until later
"Geometry Dash features the ability to upload and play user-made levels." — not entirely sure about this wording—wouldn't it be the players that have this ability, not the game?
"These levels may use music from the main levels or feature custom music imported from Newgrounds.[3] Players may also use music from 10 selected artists,[RT 2] as well as music from the British record label NoCopyrightSounds." — couldn't this be one sentence?
"Some user levels also contain user (silver) coins, which are similar to secret coins.[16] User levels may be rated one of the six difficulties the developer levels have, or given the "Auto" difficulty if user input is not required to complete the level.[RT 1] User-made demon levels are divided into five additional difficulties: "Easy Demon", "Medium Demon", "Hard Demon", "Insane Demon", and "Extreme Demon", most of which are more challenging than the three official demon levels.[18]" — what makes the silver coins similar to secret ones? Can it just be said outright (i.e. user (silver) coins, which allow X)? Is it that they allow users to play demon levels? If so, I think the stuff about difficulty should come before the coins bit.
"Some players have recreated entire video games within the level editor" — iffy on the use of "entirely" here, since it might imply that the content is exactly the same (if that makes sense?)
"developing it while he was studying civil engineering" — if possible, I think it'd be helpful to clarify what level he was studying at (e.g. at university or something)
The old version of this article actually did specify that it was at university, but after looking back at the two sources mentioning this information (Cult of Mac and Topala's Game Developer article), they do not specifically say where or at what kind of institution he studied at. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 02:56, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"it and Kingdom Escape were eventually scrapped" — what does "scrapped" mean here? Were they never published? Were they deactivated? Did development cease?
"According to Topala, Geometry Dash began as a platformer that could have moved in any direction." — wording seems off here—why "according to" (WP:INTEXT)? He's talking about what conceived himself, isn't he?
"He wanted it to be a tribute to the Super Mario Bros.–style platformers he played when he was young, the game starting as a simple template of a cube that could jump and crash." — the wording's kinda awkward here, and it's a bit ambiguous where "the game" is Geometry Dash or a Mario game.
"Geometry Dash began as a platformer that could have moved in any direction" and then "the game starting as a simple template of a cube that could jump and crash" a phrase or two later feels a bit scattered for me...
"Other games such as The Impossible Game, Super Meat Boy, and Bit.Trip Runner inspired Topala to make Geometry Dash." — can "make" be more specific? It seems a tad informal as well.
I've changed most of the wording in this paragraph, although the one sentence with Mario is giving me trouble; I am unsure how to reword it. I have changed the wording even more and was able to squeeze more information out of Topala's Game Developer article. I think it reads quite nicely now. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 02:56, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"It was developed using the Cocos2d-x game engine[27] and took Topala about four months to create." — is this still referring to the beta version?
"It would later release on Windows Phone and Steam the following year on 12 June 2014[RT 5] and 22 December 2014 respectively." — of "later", "the following year" and "2014", only one is needed.
Stopping before #Post-release for now. In regards to some of the comments below, I've skimmed through some of the academic articles, and while some of it is... extremely mathematical, I also noted that there seemed to be quite a few pieces discussing (or briefly mentioning) its use by and impact on primary school students. Could that not be incorporated or am I going off on a weird arc-but-not-quite-tangent-cuz-I'm-still-discussing-the-article (and now I'm going off on a tangent, because I can't decide on my word choice) here? Pamzeis (talk) 02:27, 1 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Letting you know that I have responded to your comments. I have implemented most of these changes. Update: I have done some more work with sourcing in the reception section and have changed the lead quite a bit because of it. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 11:05, 9 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Pamzeis: Not sure if you got my last comment. Pinging to let you know that your comments have been read through and changed implemented. I have also done a lot more work on other areas since, so a re-read would be helpful. Thanks. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 23:31, 15 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Picking up from #Post-release—I haven't re-read yet, but I'm wondering if any of the scholarly research (that I have not read) regarding the impact on elementary students (and perhaps others as well) and whatnot has been deemed useful? Anyhow, prose comments:
Is detail of what seems to me to be every update common in video games articles? I looked at a random FA (Plants vs. Zombies (video game)), and they aren't mentioned there from my skim.
Not generally from what I've seen, but seeing as these are a major aspect of the development of this game (the amount of attention the most recent update recieved is an indicator) they definitely warrant a mention. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 08:00, 20 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"Geometry Dash Lite is a free version" — it's been a while since I read the prior parts of the article, so forgive me for asking what may be a silly question, but is it mentioned prior that the game is paid?
"Topala released his second spin-off game, Geometry Dash World, which contains ten levels,[41] and a third, Geometry Dash SubZero, with three levels,[42] on 21 December 2017." — this feels a bit clunky to me—do we need to note that they are spin-offs or that they're the second and third? I would think that the reader could discern that from header and the order that the titles are placed in
I get your point but I am unsure how to really phrase this information without it just sounding like listing them off. See my comment for the platform releases. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 07:13, 20 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"They essentially serve as extensions" — "essentially" seems a bit like editorialising
"finding the music, although at times repetitive, to be phenomenal and a complement to the visuals" — the embedded "although at times repetitive" disrupts the flow a bit for me—perhaps it could be placed at the end of the sentence?
"enjoying how well the songs were integrated into each level's design" and "Its high difficulty" (emphasis mine) seem to state opinions in Wikipedia's voice
"Rob Rich at 148Apps also felt it to be frustratingly difficult, although argued that the satisfaction of completing a level still made the experience worth it." — I don't think this is the most grammatical
"21 million dollars" — which dollar are we referring to here? And I think it's more common on WP to use the symbol rather than spelling out the currency, but I can't find MOS guidance on this (WP:$ doesn't mention it, I don't think)
"and since March 2020 has been steadily rising" — the source is from 2023, so this'd probably need an update or a {{as of}}
"This continued to rise into January 2026, when the concurrent player count reached over 100,000" — I'm probably missing something, but based on my read of the source, it doesn't seem to support that the player count "continued to rise"—more that this was a random spike, given that it dropped almost immediately after?
I believe it dise keep rising for some time after, as I remember seeing the number reach 103k at one point, although I am unsure when. Regardless, this paragraph has been reworded. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 07:13, 20 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Pamzeis: All done. I really appreciate your feedback, as there are some things that I would have struggled to find without a second set of eyes on this. I think it reads really well now. As for the scholarly articles, I did take a look through more of them and I again didn't find anything useful. There was a Croatian master's thesis that had a survey of what apps students used, and found that of 104, 14 (13.5%) had Geometry DashandGranny. Since they didn't bother to seperate these into two data points its hard to say how many had GD installed. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 07:15, 20 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The article looks great! I just have a few nitpicks left:
"Vaults can be unlocked after obtaining certain amounts of collectibles, in which entering codes can award further secret coins and cosmetics." — not sure I completely understand what is being said here—is it that you enter the code to open the vault? Or that you enter the code after opening the vault?
"These levels may use music from the main levels or feature custom music imported from Newgrounds,[1] 10 selected artists[T 1] as well as music from the British record label NoCopyrightSounds." — can this be reworded so that "music" is not repeated three times?
""Daily Levels", "Weekly Demons", or "Event Levels", which will reward players additional currency upon completion" — I'm a bit unclear on whether the "which will reward players additional currency upon completion" refers to just Event Levels or all three
"most of which are more challenging than the three official demon levels" — are these three official demon levels mentioned prior? I don't recall them.
"beginning as a template of a cube that could jump and crash" — I'm not sure I understand the use of template—wouldn't a game begin with a template rather than as one?
I see what you mean. I got this from a quote from Topala in the Cult of Mac article: "It simply started as a template with a cube that could crash and jump. Through different iterations I then kept adding more and more features and content until the game felt right." I changed this to "prototype".
"In August 2023, Topala hosted a YouTube livestream celebrating the 10-year anniversary of Geometry Dash which revealed the release date of the next update, update 2.2, to be in October of that year." — I think the phrasing buries some important information ("the release date of the next update, update 2.2, to be in October of that year") a bit, since the sentence seems to be focussing on Topala's livestream.
"Geometry Dash has received mostly positive reviews from critics" in the lead is not mentioned in the body (and would need a source)
Fair point, although I think the review scores and the prose speak for themselves (the point of the lead is afterall to summarize the body). This wording is also used heavily in other video game articles. In the article of Sonic After the Sequel, this language is used despite their being no review aggregator. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 09:47, 22 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I made a few copyedits—feel free to revert any you disagree with. I also put US in front of the dollar symbol, 'cuz the source is American and anyhow, I think it's an IAR in this case because it's key information for that part IMO. Again, feel free to revert. I'm looking forward to looking at the article again! Pamzeis (talk) 14:51, 21 October 2026 (UTC) (P.S. Thanks for the words of appreciation—I'm always worried people are gonna get pissed at me for nitpicking.)reply
Replace sensortower.com with the actual name of the website. That said, what makes it reliable?
What makes Pocket Tactics reliable? And iXBT Games?
Both Pocket Tactics and iXBT Games are considered reliable under WP:VG/S. Content from TheGamer posted after August 2020 is considered "generally reliable". For Sensor Tower, see Fathom's discussion below (the naming error has been fixed). I am actually unsure about the appropriate style for italicizing. The sources cited do not italicize it, so I left them in regular style. Looking at the pages for other VG FAs, Genshin Impact does most of the time, while GTA V does not do it at all. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 21:36, 1 October 2026 (UTC)reply
They're supposed to be in italics per MOS:CONFORM; those articles should do it too. Those sources are fine then, though I would try to remove TheGamer where more reliable sources support the same information. NRP (talk) 00:53, 2 October 2026 (UTC)reply
This has been done. There are a few citations that use one pair of apostrophes around the name (like this: 'Geometry Dash') These I have left alone. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 15:09, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"The player controls" —> "Players control". Maybe this is just personal preference, but I think players works better since it's more general.
I've seen both used in other video game articles, including FAs. I personally like the way it is currently, but I don't want to split hairs over this. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 21:36, 15 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Gameplay
Can "side-scrolling platformer" link to something?Done
"Over a hundred fifty million online levels" —> "Over 150 million online levels"Done
Development
iOS is linked on its second instance but not its first Done
"and it would release on iOS and Android on 13 August" —> "and it was released on iOS and Android on 13 August"; WP:WOULDDone
There are a lot of citations mid-sentence which makes for a harder read. Some of these are unavoidable, but I think "the Wave[32] game mode," could be changed to "the Wave game mode,[32]".
For this one, the Jeuxvideo article never actually states the name of the game mode, so I just added this citation for the word Wave to remedy this. I added a quote and moved the citation. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 21:36, 15 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"The gameplay was met with mixed regards" I would swap "regards" with "reception", just feels like a more natural word to use here
I'm going to disagree here. I personally don't recall any other video game articles using this sort of wording and to me it reads kind of awkwardly. I would like to keep this sentence as is. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 21:36, 15 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"Rob Rich at 148Apps also felt it to be frustratingly difficult, although argues" —> "Rob Rich of 148Apps also felt it to be frustratingly difficult, although he argued"Done (although argues —> although argued)
"The number of concurrent players on Steam has been steadily rising" do any sources say for how long it's been rising? Otherwise this statement could become dated.
I see what you mean. This was supposed to be just a general lead in to the topic of the paragraph. The PC Gamer article states it has been "steadily increasing from 2020", with the Vandal article stating more specifically (translated) "The interesting thing is that the game has been gaining players over time, with some peaks, one of them in January 2020, but when in March the pandemic started there was another rise in the number of players and it has maintained a smooth but sustained increase." I have tried to change the wording around this.
I would make #Notes its own section, above references Done
I often see complaints about video game jargons not being addressed, especially in FAC nominations. I might do a full review, but for now, I'm just letting you know of this ongoing issue. You can see all jargons here: Glossary of video game terms. Some of them have sources listed, some don't. If you need help with addressing this, let me know. Cheers, Vacant0(talk•contribs)11:14, 21 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Additionally, Google Scholar gives me 544 results when searching "Geometry Dash", so I'd suggest adding a few scholarly articles, if they're useful of course. TWL could help too. Vacant0(talk•contribs)11:55, 23 September 2026 (UTC)reply
I have actually looked at those a bit, but unfortunately I don't really see a way to use them in this article. A lot of them are also very jargon-heavy and I don't really understand them. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 04:29, 24 September 2026 (UTC)reply
148Apps is not listed as an unreliable source, but rather as a situational one. The source was previously deemed to be reliable, therefore it could technically pass as it is cited to an article from 2013. I doubt that newer articles from that site could pass as a reliable source at FAC. Also, Metacritic lists many sources we deem to be unreliable, therefore, that cannot really be a good argument for keeping that source in this article. Vacant0(talk•contribs)12:03, 22 September 2026 (UTC)reply
RedShellMomentum when you do a source review, you are generally expected to also give a description as to why the sources meet the FA criterion of being high-quality and well researched. Monathephantom above has just raised concerns regarding two sources, and I have questions regarding the quality of some others.
What makes Indie Hive a reliable source? The author David Ingrusee appears to have written for no reliable outlets that I can see.
Softpedia is listed as situational on WP:VG/S, though the latest source evaluation was over 14 years ago so I am treating this with a grain of salt. But can you provide an explanation for why Andrei Dobra is a reliable source (i.e. has he written for any other reliable outlets?)
Who is the author for the Jeuxvideo review? I've used this website before and I see that it is reliable but I would also like some information on the author if possible.
Metacritic sources for games such as Boomlings Matchup and Memory Mastermind should only be used for the purpose of aggregating reviews, and should not be used for other things such as saying that "[Developer] also created [this game]"
Noting here that I have used Pocket Tactics before and the author Daz Skubich appears to have written for reliable outlets such as PCGamesN
What makes Sensortower a reliable source? It appears to be a Digital Marketing platform.
The author of the Cult of Mac article appears to have written for Wired, a reliable source for tech, but I'm less certain of the rest of the outlet as a whole.
The Development section as a whole has a large reliance on primary sources, including the Swedish Games Awards, YouTube videos from Topala himself, and the Cocos website (for a game developed using that engine). Later in the section the App Store version history is also cited as a source. While I have seen many video game FAs use primary sources such as YouTube according to our guidelines at WP:VG/S, they never make up more than a fraction of the cited sources and I am not confident in supporting an article for FA that uses primary source to cite a large percentage of a key section.
There are a lot of quotations in a short reception section that could probably be paraphrased to still get the original meanings across.
I'm leaning towards opposing right now sadly due to the quality of the sourcing in the Development section. While there are good sources in there such as Vandal, TouchArcade, and Bleeding Cool, most of the coverage appears to be about the game after release, and the coverage of the game before release has a lot of questions that should be addressed. I plan to go into a deeper review later. Fathoms Below(talk)02:30, 22 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Let me address some of your concerns:
I'll be truthful and say that I am not entirely sure how to evaluate a publication as reliable. I was aware that Indie Hive was not on the reliable sources list, but I was unsure if it is actually unreliable. It was not brought up in the first FA review or the peer review.
I can't find anything on Dobra because there are apparently a lot of people with that name. I kept Softpedia as again, it was not mentioned as problematic in the first FA review or peer review. (This review is also used on Metacritic).
If you go back to the first archive of that Jeuxvideo review it says "L'avis de Meego", which when translated means "Opinion of Meego" or something like that. I have no idea if Meego is a name or a title, so i left it out. There is another Jeuxvideo source with no available name, even in the archives, and another that appears to list the author as "Xorvencharger", which runs into the same problem as "Meego".
I used Sensortower because i saw that it was also used in Genshin Impact, another FA
I have removed one primary source, and perhaps I could remove more in the future, but as it stands there is very, very little on the development of this game (this applies to really almost the entire rest of the article). Trust me, I have searched extensively for information but I have been unable to find much of anything beyond what is in the article. This is the reason I rely on primary sources, including ones from Topala, Metacritic, ect. extensivly. There may be more reliable information out there but I have yet to find it. I understand the concern but in absence of this information from secondary sources this is the pretty much the only other option I was able to devise. Additionally, you mention Vandal as a good source to use but it is used for the same purpose as the Metacritic citations, for dates or other extremely basic information. Is there a difference between the two websites in this scenario? I also used a few more websites (like a lot of stuff in the Spin-off section) like this too.
I have tried to paraphrase the quotes in the development and reception sections.
I'm surprised that Indie Hive was not brought up in the peer review, but unless you have evidence that the outlet has a detailed editorial policy and/or it has multiple authors that have written for reliable sources, I don't think that it can be used.
Since Softpedia is listed as situational, an author from there should probably have written for a high-quality reliable source and I couldn't find much regarding Dobra either. It seems like Softpedia was the only outlet that he has written for, but someone over at WT:VG/S may be able to do a deeper dive.
Okay regarding Jeuxvideo
Regarding Sensortower, I'm going to ping @Gommeh, the main author of Genshin Impact, to point me towards some of the reliable sources that cite it if possible.
Regarding Metacritic, if I recall correctly their release date information and developer information is shared by GameFAQs which is unreliable, while Vandal's information I presume is compiled by actual journalists.
Regarding the primary sources in the Development section, I'm actually quite surprised to see a game this old and popular receive so little development information. This seems to be a slightly similar case to Five Nights at Freddy's, where a game with a large following somehow has little to say regarding its creation. With that article I was able to squeeze out a limited amount of information from some relatively short interviews, and there was a bit of a more substantial review presence that allowed me to expand the reception section. This seems to be an even shakier case, and while I would say that the article is up to GA status, not every Good article can be made into a Featured article (certainly I think one or several of my own GAs could not be made into a FA), and the reason for this more often than not is the sourcing and/or the ability to write a comprehensive account of the topic. I'm going to abstain at the moment but I'm hesitant at supporting an article for FA when two key sections are unable to stand without some lower-quality sources.
I have put a lot more work into this and managed to remove the Indie Hive source, two more primary sources (Cocos.com and the 2.2 teaser), and have beefed up the development section with the Game Developer article Topala wrote. Softpedia is still present, however. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 18:47, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Okay, I'll take another look tonight I think. The sourcing looks better but the Critical Response part of Reception is still relatively short. I think the shortest Reception section for a FA that I have seen is Sonic After the Sequel at roughly 280 words, and this is a bit shorter than that. Might be something of concern. Fathoms Below(talk)17:41, 20 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Regarding the "Through the level editor, players have created over 150 million online levels" can you find a secondary source that says that there are that many levels? If not it may be better to just say "By 2025/2026 there were ___ many levels" and cite a reliable secondary source since that would be much better.
If a paragraph can be only a few sentences, it usually should just be condensed into another paragraph (see MOS:PARA and MOS:SUBSECTION) To that end you could remove the subheadings for "Geometry Dash Lite" and "Spin-offs" and condense it all under "Other Games"?
Where does it say in the Swedish Game Awards source that "...Forlorn and Kingdom Escape were never published?"
"Topala only saw modest success with his previous works and was not able to retain a large playerbase" you could remove "only" and get the same meaning across
"He wanted his next game to be more similar to other platformers he admired" ditto with the word "more"
"...more recent titles like" see MOS:RELTIME. You can remove the word "more recent" and say "...such as the Super Mario Bros.–style games he played in his youth and titles like"
For explanatory footnote D, unless there is a source saying directly that the Jeuxvideo isn't comprehensive, an explanation stating that in Wikipedia's voice would probably be original research. Unless I'm missing something, WP:OR says "The definition of original research includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that reaches or implies a conclusion not stated by the sources." This footnote seems like an analysis of the Jeuxvideo article declaring that it isn't comprehensive.
I'm honestly very torn about giving this article my support or not. Clearly a lot of work and care has been put into this, and I remember how my first FAC had a lot of problems. But I recall that featured articles "are used by editors as examples for writing other articles" and with only a small number of reviews to choose from for Reception, I will continue to abstain from supporting this article. I can't bring myself to oppose, since I don't want to be unfair about something that you don't have control over, but I don't think that this Reception section can be built much more. So I will abstain.
On another note, I feel that this article is better than Sonic After the Sequel, which I have some concerns regarding the development section relying entirely upon the primary source of the game itself and an interview from a website with dubious reliability. Although I can't support this, maybe some of the other FAC commenters will disagree with me? If that's the case, best of luck with the rest of the FAC. Fathoms Below(talk)00:59, 26 October 2026 (UTC)reply
”Timothy Bolton, the biographer of Swein's son,” – if he is the only biographer of Swein’s son, fine, but, if not, an indefinite article might be preferable
”10,000 pounds ….16,000 pounds” – in both cases (or at least the first) some indication of the modern equivalent would be helpful to your readers. I know such measures are tricky at this remove, but e.g. relating the sums to the amount of gold held/the annual tax revenues/the annual wage of a labourer might be a help.
”Swein was a remarkable, and a remarkably successful, king” – I’m all for rhetorical repetition, but I’m not sure ‘remarkable’ and then ‘remarkably’ quite comes off here.
Happy to support. A fine, clear, engaging article, adequately illustrated, well referenced as far as I'm any judge. Meets the FA criteria in my view. Tim riley talk19:53, 19 September 2026 (UTC)reply
I read this through yesterday, and at first sight it looked FA standard, as expected from such an experienced editor. I'd intended to start commenting today, but I've been led astray by a pretty Polynesian, so there may be a bit of a delay before my longship returns here Jimfbleak - talk to me?07:29, 25 September 2026 (UTC)reply
who both lost control of York (southern Northumbria)— The linked article Scandinavian York says it’s a term used by historians for a region similar to current Yorkshire.
In this context, it was the southern half of the ancient kingdom of Northumbria. See the caption to the map in the Scandinavian York article. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:08, 1 October 2026 (UTC)reply
As of 1994, only eight specimens of Swein's issue were known, indicating that it was on a small scale— perhaps suggested rather than indicated.
The source says "Based on the eight surviving specimens, using a single obverse die, it was indeed a limited coinage". I have added "all of which had an obverse struck from the same die". Does this look OK now? Dudley Miles (talk) 09:08, 1 October 2026 (UTC)reply
He was also overlord of Norway c. 986 – c. 994 and from : not sure I'm a fan of circa like this: it doesn't read well with running prose. I'd suggest something like "between c. 986 and c. 994, and from..."
Erik, King of the Svear: the capital on King seems to break how we've interpreted the ever-fun MOS:PEOPLETITLES with things like Æthelred the Unready, the Anglo-Saxon king of England. I would suggest decapping and perhaps adding a "the" before.
MOS:WORDSASWORDS: I would do italics or quote marks on e.g. "Viking" at the top of footnote e, perhaps the variants of Swein's name in footnote b, and any other time we're using a word as a word rather than for the thing it describes.
Æthelred the Unready, the Anglo-Saxon king of England, fled to his brother-in-law in Normandy: Swein's or Aethelred's? One way around this might be to name him: "Richard, Duke of Normandy, the brother of Aethelred's wife"?
After celebrating Christmas on the Isle of Wight: being very picky, the body only says Æthelred spent Christmas on the Isle of Wight. Presumably it wasn't a very celebratory occasion.
Adam denigrated Swein because the latter neither recognized the German emperor as his overlord nor acknowledged the ecclesiastical authority of the archbishop of Hamburg–Bremen, which in Adam's eyes was tantamount to paganism.": in our presentation of this quote, it's not totally clear whether Adam's problem was that Swein didn't recognise the German emperor ("German" a bit anachronistic?) or that Adam didn't (whereas Swein did). A reworking would help. More of a problem is that we haven't yet introduced any German emperors or any archbishops, or indeed Swein himself, so any reader who actually needs to read this article will be very confused here. I'm not sure what the best solution is, but I think something ought to be done to help first-time readers figure out what's going on.
On 'German emperor', this is outside my area, but as I understand it there was no official name for the empire. Wikipedia calls it the Holy Roman Empire, but historians object that this is anachronistic as it was not called "Holy Roman" until much later. Historians prefer 'German emperor', presumably descriptive, meaning the emperor of the German speaking lands. How about adding after "1070s": "Adam was a strong supporter of the claims of the [[Holy Roman Emperor|German emperor]] and archbishop of Hamburg–Bremen of authority over Denmark. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:16, 26 September 2026 (UTC)reply
This is a fair point -- Charlemagne was crowned Roman emperor. Lesser of two evils, perhaps. A date would help, perhaps; I'll have a think on any other ways to make it clearer. UndercoverClassicistT·C15:41, 26 September 2026 (UTC)reply
No dates are given in the sources. The emperorship was vacant between 983, when Otto II died leaving a three-year old son, and 996, when Otto III marched on Rome and had himself crowned emperor. Adam was no doubt far too vague on dates to take that into account. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:36, 26 September 2026 (UTC)reply
The Gwyn Jones we have linked doesn't seem to be a historian; more a writer of stories and a translator of them.
Jones was a professor of English and he mainly wrote on literary topics, but his History of the Vikings was published by the OUP and it is listed in the bibliographies of academic books on the Vikings. I think the description is OK. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:16, 26 September 2026 (UTC)reply
But presumably Johnson and Mitchell are not published by the OUP and listed in academic works. Do you not think that makes a difference? Are you querying the description of Jones as a historian or the inclusion of him as a source? I could change "Other historians, such as Gwyn Jones and the Danish Niels Lund" to "Other scholars, such as Gwyn Jones and the Danish Niels Lund". Dudley Miles (talk) 16:36, 26 September 2026 (UTC)reply
That would be an improvement, I think. Even better might be "and the Danish historian...". I must admit I'm not totally sold on the logic of specifying nationality only when it's Scandinavian, but that's a separate thing. UndercoverClassicistT·C11:23, 1 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Adam invented his story to serve homiletic purposes rather than historical truth: MOS:NOFORCELINK: I think we could do a "that is,..." with a brief explanation of what Lund means here.
Lund meant that Adam invented the story to support his hostile picture of Swein, but 'homiletic' seems an odd word here. I have changed the passage quoted to one which does not have the word. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:16, 26 September 2026 (UTC)reply
is equally biased : equal to what? We've just mentioned two sources, and to be frank I'm not sure bias is something you can quantify or measure in the first place.
Other historians do not give any view on the subject, apart from Sawyer, who says that her name is unknown: this is cited to Sawyer: does he say that he's the only person to give a view on this subject?
Gorm had been a pagan: I'm not a fan of "pagan" as a term, though this is the Late Antiquarian in me: it's an exonym which lumps everyone together by their relationship to Christianity. Something like "Gorm had practised the traditional Norse religion" or similar? After all, Gorm, Augustus Caesar and Genghis Khan were all equally "pagans", but their religions had nothing in common with each other.
So far as I can find, Gorm is always described just as pagan, even in books about the conversion of Scandinavia. Maybe too little is known about his religion to be more specific. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:16, 26 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Swein is the man on horseback: just a quick chip-in while I notice it (I'm hoping to come back for another proper run): the image shows quite a lot of men on horseback.
I only saw one, but on a closer look there is what appears to be a plainly dressed horseman behind the elaborately dressed one. I have added "front left". Dudley Miles (talk) 16:17, 2 October 2026 (UTC)reply
And a general point, now that I look back over the last nomination: could you talk a little about what you've done to address the points raised there by A.Cython?
I assume you are referring to my failure to use Howard's book. I found it very difficult as he often makes statements, mostly unreferenced, which appear dubious, and I cannot cite sources disputing them because other historians do not discuss them. I have added discussion of his claim that Swein was driven into exile in note g as this is discussed by other historians. Examples on pages 8-9 of Howard's book are 1. Swein was born in 960 +/- 2 years. This is far too exact. The only known relevant fact is that he had a grandson born in 998. 2. Swein's mother was not of noble birth. This is cited to the thirteenth-century Jómsvíkinga saga. According to the Wikipedia article on the saga the only verifiable facts in it are the names of some of the main characters. The only other historian who discusses Swein's mother just says that she is unknown. 3. Harald never recognised Swein as his heir. This is unreferenced and no other historian says it. 4. Harald's legitimate sons predeceased him. This is unreferenced and no other historian says that Swein was illegitimate or that he had legitimate brothers. 5. Denmark appears to have fallen under Swedish influence while Swein was abroad. This is unreferenced and not stated by other historians.
As is obvious, I didn't manage to do this. At the moment I'm at "no objection". If I get a chance, I'll pop back for some more comments, but I'm not sure I'll be able to do so in a timely enough manner to be helpful. UndercoverClassicistT·C14:55, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Marking my spot, am a little pressed for time at the moment, but it's an important subject for Danish history, so I'll try to return soon. FunkMonk (talk) 03:41, 1 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Any more historical places or contemporary artwork of relevance to show in some of the empty sections?
"supporter of the claims of the German emperor and archbishop of Hamburg–Bremen to have authority over Denmark." perhaps "for authority" could be less wordy and smoother?
"Gorm had been a pagan, but Harald converted to Christianity in the mid-960s." Now this is at the end of the paragraph, kind of detached, but wouldn't it make sense to place it right after "He was succeeded by his son Harald Bluetooth, who extended Danish royal authority and claimed on the inscription on one of the Jelling stones that he had "won the whole of Denmark for himself, and Norway, and made the Danes Christian.""?
"and hostility to Christianity" do we have any idea how widespread Christianity was in the country at this time?
This is not known. The source says that many men must have objected to the imposition of Christianity, but this appears to be a speculative opionion. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:10, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"Pierre Bauduin argues that" not presented by nationality and occupation like you do with other scholars.
The question of whether to specify nationality has been raised by another reviewer. I specify the nationality of Scandinavian sources in order to spell out that I am not relying only on British sources for this Danish king, but I would have no problem deleting them if reviewers disagree. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:10, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"This theory is supported by Martin Biddle and Birthe Kjølbye-Biddle" likewise. Perhaps nationalities aren't needed here in general?
Birthe Kjølbye-Biddle is Danish, though, which would seem to create a problem with this distinction if you were only to list the nationality of one of the people mentioned in this same sentence? FunkMonk (talk) 17:02, 31 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"Swein's name is also shown as Sveinn Haraldsson,[1] Sveinn Tjúguskegg (Old Norse),[2] Sven Forkbeard,[3] Swen Forkbeard,[4] Sweyn Forkbeard[5] and Swegen Forkbeard.[6]" being a Danish king, one would almost expect to see his modern Danish name here, Svend Tveskæg?
Here's an article about Danish coins in English by Danmarks Nationalbank which uses both names: They issue Danish currency, so should be reliable on the matter. It also states the coin was the first official Danish coin, which is probably worth a mention in the article? FunkMonk (talk) 15:13, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Image review - since the article has gained enough supports in the meantime, I'll contribute with an image review for now, may review the text afterwards. FunkMonk (talk) 10:49, 30 October 2026 (UTC)reply
What is the base map graphic this map was made from? Perhaps Ælfgar can answer this, should be added under source.
Support - I had to dig deep to find anything to add as it had already received more than enough reviews, but it looks good either way. FunkMonk (talk) 14:38, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Adam was a strong supporter of the claims of the German emperor and archbishop of Hamburg–Bremen to have authority over Denmark. Consider deleting this sentence, as the same information is repeated in the following one.
Adam claimed that Swein apostasised and persecuted the church, and as punishment by God he was defeated by King Erik of Sweden and spent fourteen years in exile in Scotland. To me, the sentence feels slightly out of context, particularly as the previous sentence refers to two modern scholars. It would be clearer if the connection between the two were made more explicit.
I assumed this was the goal. However, I would delete it, because a grandson's birth year is not a reliable point of reference for determining his grandfather’s date of birth. (For example, my eldest cousin was born two years before our grandfather died, while our youngest cousin was born 33 years after his death.) Furthermore, the same information about the grandson's birth year is repeated in the "Family" section.
In 986 or 987 Swein revolted against his father with the support of sections of the nobility and seized the Danish throne. Harald was defeated and wounded in battle against his son. He was driven into exile, where he died of his wounds shortly afterwards. To me, the chronology is unclear: did Swein seize the Danish throne before defeating and expelling his father?
The chronology is not certain. Swein must have been able to seize the throne as a result of a successful result, but it is not know whether Harald was driven into exile before or after Swein became king. Do you have a suggestion for a better wording? Dudley Miles (talk) 16:15, 6 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Swein was able to extend Danish control east of Øresund... Do we know against whom, and by what means (peacefully or through warfare)? Is “was able to” necessary in the sentence?
This is not stated in the source. I have changed "was able to extend" to "extended". Dudley Miles (talk)
Swein was secure enough at home to become the first Scandinavian king known to have led Viking raids. To me, the sentence reads rather awkwardly because of the placement of the adjective "known". Perhaps: "Swein was secure enough at home to lead Viking raids, which were the first known such expeditions launched by a Scandinavian king."
...joined bands of Viking raiders on England...The main Viking target was England, which under King Æthelred the Unready was both wealthy and militarily weak, and Swein's ability to extract large amounts of tribute enhanced and extended his power in Scandinavia. The two statements, although separated in the text, are logically connected.
His armies comprised his own retainers and the bands of other Viking warlords, drawn from all over Scandinavia. I assume the warlords also accompanied him, not only their men. Could you name some of the warlords?
The Viking army returned in 1006 ... Swein is not named by the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle among the Viking leaders between 1006 and 1013 Was he a participant of the 1006 raid?
Historians do not agree whether Swein was a sincere Christian. ... The last paragraph, about his faith and attitude towards Christianity, feels a little out of context.
Swein saw subordination of his church to the archbishop of a neighbouring imperial power... Make it clear that the archbishops of Hamburg-Bremen are mentioned here, and provide our readers with some brief context about their role in the history of Christianity in Denmark.
...he expelled bishops who were suffragans of Hamburg-Bremen in order to reduce German influence, replacing them with English bishops I am not sure I understand the sequence of events: did he place the Church in Denmark under the jurisdiction of an English archbishop, or who consecrated the English bishops for Denmark?
Adam of Bremen claimed that Swein's wife was the widow of Erik of Sweden, and this is accepted by Sawyer and Bolton, but rejected by Lund. Adam and Thietmar both state that Swein married Boleslaus's sister, and this is supported by a statement in the Encomium that when Swein died her sons recalled her from Poland. Adam is the only source to state that she was Erik's widow, and Lund argues that Adam invented it to justify his claim that Swein Estrithsson's marriage to the granddaughter of Erik's wife was incestuous. All information about his wife should be brought together at the beginning of the paragraph. As currently written, the passage suggests, for instance, that the wife of Swein’s grandson and namesake was Erik of Sweden’s widow.Borsoka (talk) 09:24, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Adam of Bremen claimed that Swein Forkbeard's wife was the widow of Erik of Sweden, and this is accepted by Sawyer and Bolton,[80] but rejected by Lund. Adam is the only source to state that she was Erik's widow, and Lund argues that Adam invented it to justify his claim that Swein Estrithsson's marriage to the granddaughter of Erik's wife was incestuous. Consider deleting it.
I have slightly rephrased the passage to avoid repeating the attribution to Adam. I believe Sweyn Estrithsson's wife was Erik's great-granddaughter. Borsoka (talk) 02:10, 16 October 2026 (UTC)reply
It is not stated before that Adam was the only source. The source refers to a common grandmother. Also, the article is standardised on the spelling Swein Forkbeard, which is the most common one in academic sources. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:29, 16 October 2026 (UTC)reply
(lead) Swein probably became overlord of the Svear and... Is this statement verified in the main text?
Yes. "Lund and Sawyer see Olof's byname as evidence that he acknowledged Swein as his overlord". Olof was Erik's successor as king of the Svear. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:49, 13 October 2026 (UTC)reply
(lead) Swein returned to England in 1003 and ravaged until 1005, when a major famine forced him to return to Denmark. Swein is not known to have returned to England until 1013... Could the text be rephrased to avoid the repetition of the verb "return"?
I still think that the repetition of certain information (his grandson's year of birth and the attribution of a claim to Adam of Bremen) is not entirely consistent with encyclopaedic style. Nevertheless, this is a thoroughly researched and interesting article about a poorly documented medieval monarch, and I am therefore happy to support its promotion. Borsoka (talk) 01:29, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Thanks Borsoka. Regarding the citation of Thietmar on Adam being the only contemporary source to write that Swein's wife was Erik's widow, the citation is intended because Bolton writes that Thietmar also made the claim. I cannot find any source refuting what Bolton writes, and according to Whatsapp, the only one is in Danish. Citing what Thietmar actually wrote is intended as clarification for any reader who reads Bolton's version. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:50, 17 October 2026 (UTC)reply
The "family" section reads confusingly, esp. para 1, but I suppose that is inevitable.
This is a rewrite after a reviewer objected to the previous version. I have found it very difficult to make it clear and any suggestions are welcome. Dudley Miles (talk) 15:13, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
We haven't had a source review for reliability/formatting this round -- Nikki, you undertook it last nom, would you be able to give it the once-over here? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:52, 3 November 2026 (UTC)reply
Source review - spotchecks not done
The three web sources are formatted differently - they should be more consistent
Most of the images look good with enough justification (or are just free to use) to me. However I would say Rei Ayanami Early Design Der Mond.jpeg's licensing box needs a stronger writeup because its extremely minimal at the moment. I think including the image is fine, its just the infobox doesn't make the case very well.
As an aside, there's a lot of dense text between Win-Lee's photo and the "Comparisons and symbolism" section. Another image to break up the text somewhere here would be ideal, but admittedly at a brief glance of the paragraphs nothing is jumping out to me for what to add. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 09:10, 21 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Perhaps we could try placing two images side by side—one of Anno and one of Sigmund Freud in Development? We could also include an image of another Rei from the Rebuild series, but that would clearly be non-free.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 17:42, 23 September 2026 (UTC)reply
I concur with using images of Anno and Freud and will go ahead and add those, but I do not believe another image of Rei is necessary. I wonder if we could also use File:Solitude.jpg at the beginning of the Characterization and themes section to illustrate her themes of solitude. Z. Patterson (talk) 00:11, 24 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Personally, I wouldn't add an image at this point. I tried an alternative for Characterization and themse: I found an image from the Bosnian War, which Azuma mentions in relation to Rei, that reminds me quite strikingly of the rows of identical, dilapidated apartment buildings where Rei lives, so I added that instead. I think it's more relevant to the text.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 20:45, 24 September 2026 (UTC)reply
@Z. Patterson/~@TeenAngels1234 missed your ping, apoligies. The new images look good to me and all pass free-to-use.
One other thought when reviewing - the cosplayer photo, by itself, is fine, but could do with a stronger caption than it has currently. At the moment the image is just a bit thrown in there since the merch section doesn't mention cosplay. Are these any ways you could tie the image into the section more clearly? RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 21:05, 5 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Nice work. I'll take a look at this. Usual disclaimer goes here that comments are suggestions by default, not demands, and you should feel free to push back - if something's important I'll make it clear. Also, I don't have access to Anno's interviews, so will be trusting the sources here... although knowing Anno, this kind of thing is always tricky. Starting with the lede & "Creation and conception"...
is a fictional character Nit: You will find a lot of articles that say "fictional character" but this is unnecessary and I think downstream of a 2008-2012 backlash against media content. Just "character" is fine, it's understood characters are fictional by default. (But optional, lots of articles include 'fictional' anyway.)
Angel - I get that you're trying to set off "angel" as a term with special meaning in Eva by italicizing it, but I'm not 100% certain italics are necessary here. This usage is not that different from vanilla angels, and the fact that in Eva they're antagonistic doesn't change that. Up to you, just a comment.
His readings in psychology, particularly Freudian psychoanalysis, also influenced his conception of the character, with Freud's theory of the Oedipus complex serving as an inspiration. I think this is a bit vague at what's going on for casual readers for why exactly this might be an "inspiration." (And wouldn't it be more a concept, than a theory?) But I get that the lede needs to keep moving on.
The character attracted considerable attention within the otaku community Two items. One, "Attracted attention" is vague. It could hypothetically mean attracting negative attention (although the rest of the sentence clears such a misconception up). Maybe some other phrasing? Second, and very optionally... same issue as angel above. Apparently the Wikipedia otaku article italicizes it, so you're being consistent, but I think the otaku article is wrong. Otaku is basically an English loanword now and is routinely not italicized, just like ramen or samurai (MOS:FOREIGNITALIC). Up to you.
Japanese scholar Hiroki Azuma used Rei as an example of his database theory, arguing that elements of her character design recurred in later anime, manga, and visual novels, even without direct reference to Evangelion. A few issues here. Strictly speaking - just how relevant is Azuma's "database theory" in general? I'm skeptical, but could be convinced. Lots of academics have pet theories they've named but very few are John von Neumann and game theory. However, regardless of that, I think "arguing" is vastly underselling the more important point here, on Rei's influence. All three of the mains of Eva were enormously popular and influential, and I'd be shocked if that couldn't be referenced. It'd be like saying "Joseph Campbell argued that Darth Vader was influential and referenced in later media." No, Darth Vader was influential, flat out as a fact, not really a debatable matter. I'd recommend just talking about that and cutting Azuma entirely for the lede, unless you really think that Azuma's thoughts are relevant, in which case I'd separate that into its own sentence.
He took her first name from Rei Hino of the anime and manga series Sailor Moon, Is it worth saying "the character Rei Hino"? Someone who doesn't know their JP character names might think she was named after a real person who worked as a voice actress or producer or some such for Sailor Moon.
hoping to recruit one of the series' directors, Kunihiko Ikuhara, to work on Evangelion. Question: really? (Not asking for this to be removed if so! This just seems kinda crazy, but weird stuff happens.)
In Japanese, Rei can mean "zero" when written with the kanji Rei (零) I'm not trying to interrupt the flow with explaining every weird possible pun, but is it worth mentioning that 零 is not actually how Rei's name is written, either here or in a footnote?
According to writer Patrick Drazen, the name may also pun on her role as the pilot of Evangelion Unit-00 "Also"? Isn't this just the same thought continued from the previous sentence, or does Drazen tie it to some other reason than the kanji? I would also recommend removing "Writer" as including it makes it sound like Drazen was a writer for Eva, not just any person who published a book.
Anno asked character designer Yoshiyuki Sadamoto to portray Rei as a depressed, reticent girl who speaks in a subdued voice Similar to the Sailor Moon issue above: just a really check? Anno asked an artist to draw someone speaking in a subdued voice? Possible but weird!
The song "Doko e demo ikeru kitte" (何処へでも行ける切手) ; "Fumimi no kodomo" (福耳の子供); Shinseiki Evangelion: Eva to Yukai na Nakamatachi (新世紀エヴァンゲリオンエヴァと愉快な仲間たち; lit. 'Neon Genesis Evangelion: Eva and Good Friends'); Kōshi Ankokuden (孔子暗黒伝, Dark Biography of Confucius)
This is again optional, but my understanding is that non-Latin characters in prose tends to make people tune out a bit. It's fine in charts or lists or when really important, but prose is tricky. I would consider using Template:Nihongo foot similar to the first sentence and hiding the Kanji + translation in a footnote.
Prose: originally designed Rei as a brunette vs. caption: Sadamoto originally designed Rei with dark hair . So which is it? That sketch looks more like black hair to me than brown hair. Or was it both and they just kept changing her hair color?
@TeenAngels1234: From what I can parse in Italian, the source it is citing confirms that she was indeed designed as a brunette. From what I see in Der Mond, her hair was changed to dark hair. If I understand this correctly, he changed Rei's hair color from brunette to a dark color, but I do not want to introduce information that is not specifically stated in the sources. Do you concur? Z. Patterson (talk) 03:05, 27 September 2026 (UTC)reply
I think you're over-reading this. Bruna in Italian simply means "dark (hair/skin/eyes)". It can be black or dark brown. That's why in Italian Wikipedia we simply wrote that Sadamoto originally designed Rei con gli occhi e i capelli scuri, with dark eyes and hair. In this context it simply means dark hair, so it includes black. TeenAngels1234 (talk) 14:14, 27 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Black also distinguished Rei from characters in contemporary series and ran counter to prevailing design trends This seems a bit more complex than necessary, and not even clearly true on the first part. If the Google Translate is correct, Sadamoto was just saying black stockings were not in fashion at the time (presumably in real life more so than other series).
In the eighth episode, "Asuka Strikes!", for example, Any particular reason the 8th episode is given first, then the 7th episode? If there's a reason it's fine, but if it's arbitrary, it's easier to do chronological order.
During production of the seventh episode, "A Human Work", Anno remembered Rei and added a scene for her. I think the tone is now off, though. Shouldn't the emphasis be something like "Rei appears only in one scene in the seventh episode, "A Human Work", after Anno remembered to add her" or the like? The slant is on Rei not appearing much, rather than appearing in a scene. SnowFire (talk) 17:50, 27 September 2026 (UTC)reply
In the original script for the twenty-first episode, the first Rei clone survives Naoko Akagi's strangulation; after briefly losing consciousness, she awakens alone in an empty command room. For those who don't recall the episodes by heart - so what happens in the real script? (I know, I clicked the link and read it, she dies, but maybe make that clear here. This Rei's death is not the same as the "second clone's" death referred to in the next sentence.)
Is it worth moving Anno planned the second clone's death from the beginning later in the paragraph, closer to or after the "Rei III" sentence? Since that's where the second Rei's death happens, right? SnowFire (talk) 17:50, 27 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Anno considered Rei's character arc essentially complete after her smile I'm not sold that's what the footnote'd quote is saying. It could just as easily be just re-affirming what we've already said, that Anno found it hard to write for Rei.
The larger concern I'm checking in on is the accuracy of the sentence rather than the referencing. I don't have access to this source, but just to clarify, the idea that Rei's character arc was "complete" is supported by some other line in the book? The original quote had a potential reading of "Anno wasn't certain where to go next with Rei" which is not quite the same as "Anno thought Rei's arc was complete." Again it's fine to keep it as-is if that's what the source says. SnowFire (talk) 17:50, 27 September 2026 (UTC)reply
Anno compared Rei's development... This isn't a source review but strictly speaking this whole section needs a reference, not just a footnote'd quote with reference for that quote. I imagine it'd be very similar and citing the same interview, but still.
and presented a new challenge: "I have to challenge something new." Is this quote really necessary? It seems like it's just repeating what we just said.
Hayashibara also auditioned for Asuka and Misato Katsuragi. Anno instead cast her as Rei This is unclear. Did she not audition for Rei? If so, cut "also". Did she audition for Rei? If so, cut "instead".
She recalled delivering Rei's short lines repeatedly to find the precise nuance the staff sought. I think something got lost in translation here? This sounds like every voice acting job, nobody does just 1 take for a line. If something more than "the usual" was going on here, say what it was.
Rei's role increased Hayashibara's popularity and helped establish her as an icon of anime fandom. I think the first half of this sentence undersells it. This was a big deal, iconic role, that "increase in popularity" doesn't communicate. Maybe just "Rei's role established her as an icon of anime fandom."
Shunsuke Nozawa, assistant professor at Hokkaido University - Is Hokkaido University really relevant here? Call him an anthropologist if he needs an introduction, where he works isn't that interesting.
Actually while we're on that note. This is not a source review, and it's good that there's a secondary source to cite so that this isn't too reliant on primary sources like interviews. But... this is formatted like a journal article rather than a blog post, but doesn't appear to have actually been published in a journal, just stuck on his website? Weird. Normally this is a bit of a warning sign as it means that the journals weren't biting for some reason, but I didn't attempt to chase this down further.
In contrast, Brina Palencia (right) voiced her in the Funimation dub of Rebuild of Evangelion. Cut "In contrast". This is just a normal fact, nothing contradictory about it.
Went ahead and checked the "Appearances" section next. Mostly looks good (disclaimer that I did not watch the later films and don't know much about the spinoff media)...
Quanyu Liao of the Nanjing University of the Arts Same issue as Shunsuke Nozawa above - where this person works isn't that relevant. I'm not even sure they work there - a Google for "site:nua.edu.cn "Quan-yu Liao" and "Quanyu Liao" didn't turn up anything, although maybe it's only on the Chinese-language side of the website. But given how vague the affiliation is, it seems possible that they might be, say, a graduate student there or the like. I'm not sure if this person's specialty is known, so I'd go with just a raw name.
Erick Agung Yohanes, Nita Novianti, and Nia Nafisah of the Universitas Pendidikan Indonesia... Same issue again. (This is also a rather weak source, taking a look at it, but it's saying something pretty uncontroversial, so it's fine.)
Writer Daichi Nakagawa Same issue as Patrick Drazen. I think "writer" should be used carefully in articles like this on TV shows - it's not really an interesting description of who they are, so either use some other description, or just have the name only, unless they were a writer-for-the-show.
It gives her greater prominence than Asuka, who instead plays the more prominent role in the anime Nit: I might weakly suggest "It gives Rei greater prominence than Asuka, who plays the more prominent role in the anime", cutting "instead" and making the Rei / Asuka comparison more explicit.
Looking at the next sections. Let me stress again that it's totally fine to push back if you disagree, since while I'm flattered you're going along with my suggestions above, that is not required or anything.
Rei Ayanami is an enigmatic,[137] unhappy[138] and taciturn girl[139] with few social connections who readily follows orders.[140] She is introverted,[141][142] uncomplaining,[143] socially detached,[81] and aloof.[144] Just to be clear, this is a comment and I'm not even asking for a change here. But... in general, I'd associate this kind of word-by-word referencing with radioactively controversial topics where every adjective is fought over. Is that actually going on here? If the article is chill, I'd consider just throwing the refs at the end of the sentence. There's a few other heavily referenced sentences later too, just it definitely stands out here.
Rei also confesses that she wants to die Another nit here, but is that the word the source uses? To be sure I can see a person raised in a tradition that rejects it as seeing suicidal ideation as a sin that requires confession, but I'm not sure that applies here. I'd only keep "confesses" if the author thinks Rei is in some sense embarrassed about this desire.
Caption: Rei Ayanami was compared to the Shinto goddess Amaterasu (left) and the Christian figure of Mary, mother of Jesus Christ (right). First of all, "Christian" is linked to "Christianism" which is an uncommon term. But I don't think a link is required at all, nor for Shinto. If we have a picture of Amaterasu and Mary, those should be the only two wikilinks. Oddly enough, Jesus himself (not pictured) is linked, rather than Mary, mother of Jesus.
According to scholar Akiko Sugawa-Shimada, Rei's appearances in Neon Genesis Evangelion also helped establish a 1990s fan practice of watching episodes as they simultaneously communicate online, a mode of participation that later developed through 2-Channel and expanded globally with social networks such as X and YouTube. This is a real stretch. The wording makes it sound like livechat vs. a broadcast with "simultaneous" and ties it to Rei specifically, but I checked the source and that's not really what it says. Evangelion fans with access to an online communication service exchanged critical opinions, possible answers for unexplained parts of the narrative, and expressions of their affection for characters – mainly female characters such as Rei Ayanami and Asuka Sōryū Langley – with the airing of every episode. It's just saying that people talked about how much they liked Rei & Asuka on the forums of the 1990s Internet. If nothing else this shouldn't be tied to Rei alone here. Also, there should be more of a gap - the source puts a pause and indicates the bit about X & YouTube are "From that time onward", i.e. much later than the original run of Eva. That's not clear in the existing sentence which makes the global expansion sound more concurrent.
I still think "simultaneously communicate online" is misleading. The source does not say "Simultaneous", and "simultaneous" is a real thing with the likes of Twitch chat or some early Japanese streaming services that let chatters talk over the video, but 1995 is a little too early for this. SnowFire (talk) 23:02, 3 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Conversely, Tamaki Saitō argued that Lain's decision to choose destruction at the end of the series parallels Rei's decision in Evangelion. Hol' up here. We are going offroad for which anime series to discuss but I've seen both End of Eva & Serial Experiments Lain, and Lain does *not* "choose destruction". Let's double check the source, but even if the source says that, we don't have to make sources look strange or foolish, or worse be misleading.
Checking the source directly, that's what it says for the new wording. I don't quite agree with the slant but that's me arguing with the source not you, so fair enough. (I think that given that you removed it from See also and Rei is in the cover, you can probably attribute to Beautiful Fighting Girl in-line in prose if you want, though.) SnowFire (talk) 23:02, 3 October 2026 (UTC)reply
See also section: I'm not sold on some of these inclusions. Otaku: Japan's Database Animals is already linked and is very similar to database consumption, and I think it's questionable to tie these so directly to the topic of Rei specifically. Beautiful Fighting Girl is linked in a reference - if it's relevant, then mention the source in prose, if it's not relevant enough for that, then it probably isn't relevant enough for See also. I think List of Neon Genesis Evangelion characters (and grudgingly, the portal) are fine as a short See also.
Categories: I'm not sold "Fictional suicides" is relevant here - Instrumentality is more like a reset button, and the death in Rei III is a death in combat where a heroic sacrifice isn't really suicide. "Fictional victims of child abuse" is also odd - on one hand, yes, but I think that's covered by "Fictional child soldiers" already who should all get that one for free. Gendo is pretty much the worst possible draw of authority figures, but he's not, like, actively beating her or anything. I guess the question comes down to "exploitative guardian figure who exploits your loyalty to make you a child soldier" counts as child abuse as separate from child soldier.
Subcategories by gender are "non-diffusing" by default per the banner at the top of Category:Fictional female child soldiers. So relevant articles should appear in both; you can put the top-level Fictional child soldiers back.
This is again not a blocking issue, I just want to check in again on what the source says on the "Anno considered Rei's character arc essentially complete after her smile in the sixth episode". If it says that, it's fine! Just curious. SnowFire (talk) 16:06, 2 October 2026 (UTC)reply
This is problably one of the most quoted Anno interviews in the fandom, and one of the weirdest - and cringey - statements from Anno's part. I personally have that book, but you can also find it on the Web Archive. Anno says: "«実は僕、レイって、全然思い入れないんですよ。『エヴァ』を作ってる最中でも、ハッと気がついたら、僕、忘れてましたからね。彼女の存在すら。七話なんて、思い出してレイのシーンを1カット足したぐらいです。全然思い入れがなかったですね。[...] 八話なんか、出て来ないですかね。一カットも出て来ない。最後でレイの「どうしたらいいかわからないの」っていう台詞に、シンジが「笑えばいいと思うよ」って言った時に、レイが笑顔を見せると。（略）後になって考えたら「しまった！」と。つまり、そこでシンジとコミュニケーション取っちゃったら、終わりじゃないかと。[...] 笑ったところで、もうおしまいじゃん、このキャラクターって". ""To be honest, I didn't have any emotional attachment to Rei at all. Even while we were making Eva, I'd suddenly realize I had completely forgotten about her—I had forgotten her very existence. For the seventh episode, I only remembered her at the last minute and added just a single shot of her. I really had no emotional connection to her. [...] She doesn't even appear in the eigth episode, you know? Not even a single shot. Then there was that moment at the end [of the sixth episode] where Rei says, 'I don't know what to do,' and Shinji replies, 'I think you should smile,' prompting her to show a smile. [...] Looking back on it later, I thought, 'Oh no!'. I realized that if she communicated with Shinji right there, it was all over. [...] Once she smiled, that character was finished." TeenAngels1234 (talk) 20:48, 2 October 2026 (UTC)reply
How odd. I'd still personally read this as Anno saying he was out of ideas for what to do next, but I won't fight it out as the difference in meaning is pretty subtle, and the statement could be read as the article has it. SnowFire (talk) 23:02, 3 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I personally think before was better and more faithful to the source. Yeah, he basically admitted he was out of ideas, I agree with Snow, but for a FA I guess it is bettter to report just what the source clearly says. TeenAngels1234 (talk) 06:01, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Like I said, I'm not gonna press this one too hard, just something to chat on. Ah, the fun of interpreting stray interview comments.
Support. My concerns are handled. (I will say that I did not overly inspect the "academic criticism and response" part of the article as this isn't something I'm deeply familiar with, but happy to AGF there that this is a fair assessment of the kind of stuff academics have said.) SnowFire (talk) 15:47, 4 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Hi SnowFire, I notice above you deny conducting a source review but would you be interested? Given the nominators are newbies, the article needs both a source review for reliability and formatting, and a spotcheck of sources for accurate use and avoidance of close paraphrasing or plagiarism. If you can take care of one or both that'd be great, but no pressure. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:26, 18 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Maybe if nobody else takes it up - 100+ sources are a lot. This is one of those topics where someone who knows Japanese would be helpful, but I get that it's not always possible. SnowFire (talk) 03:28, 19 October 2026 (UTC)reply
See how you go. I'll list it on WT:FAC anyway. Remember the source review needs to look at the reliability/quality of all refs but the spotcheck for accurate use etc is a selection. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:45, 19 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"known as Evangelions" and "designation First Child" -> Did you italicize these words because they have special meaning in the franchise? I usually only see italicization for newspapers or media, but it would be fine if you chose to do because they had special meaning.
"Conversely, in the eighth installment, "Asuka Strikes!", she never appears." -> Could you change this to "Conversely, she never appears in the eighth installment, "Asuka Strikes!"." so that it flows more naturally?
"In "Rei III", one of the series' final episodes, the second Rei dies and a new clone replaces her, behaving similarly to a stranger toward Shinji." -> I would have this be the start of a new paragraph
I felt that this progression—first clone, second clone, EOE, the character’s conclusion, and the comparison with Ideki Go—might work a bit better and with a single paragraph. Maybe the narrative flow is a little smoother this way? Anyway, since it's a very minor change, if you prefer otherwise feel free to edit as you wish! TeenAngels1234 (talk) 13:30, 16 October 2026 (UTC)reply
"The series introduces Rei Ayanami as an enigmatic girl who pilots an Evangelion" -> Remove the wikilink for Evangelion and add it to "According to Patrick Drazen, the name may pun on her role as the pilot of Evangelion Unit-00" instead as that is the first mention in the body
"special agency Nerv against hostile beings called Angels." -> Remove the wikilink for Angels and add it to "Yui and to a covenant with twelve final Angels" instead as that is the first mention in the body
@Z. Patterson: Everything seems normal to but there isn't much about the Instrumentality mutation or specify which Rei is the one discsussed in the Rebuild mentions. Those are my only doubts. Nice work with the article.Tintor2 (talk) 14:06, 11 October 2026 (UTC)reply
@Tintor2: Thank you. I do not know if I can find anything in academic sources about which Rei appears in Rebuild of Evangelion other than Rei Ayanami herself and Rei Ayanami (Tentative Name). As for the Instrumentality mutation, if I understand correctly, you are talking about in the context of Rebuild of Evangelion. Z. Patterson (talk) 01:44, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
I mean the Instrumentality from End of Evangelion where Rei III becomes a giant angel was so iconic that a game that had a character you once edited had an ending that makes homage to such event alongside the Eclipse from Berserk. I wondered if that scene is worth mentioning in Rei's article. Tintor2 (talk) 01:47, 12 October 2026 (UTC)reply
After reading through the lead, I do have a more general note. I would be careful about overusing the word "also". I have been told in the past by other editors that it can be a bit of a filler word, and it can be a bit repetitive when used too frequently, such as having in two sentences at the end of the lead's final paragraph. This is just a comment that I have received in the past, so I just wanted to draw your attention to this.
I am not convinced that File:Rei Ayanami Early Design Der Mond.jpeg is necessary. It is encouraged to keep the usage of non-free media to a minimum unless it illustrates something for the reader that cannot be conveyed through the prose alone. In the WP:FUR, the argument is that this image shows an early version of the character, but I believe readers could understand a design with dark hair and eyes without this non-free media. I think that a stronger argument would be needed to justify the inclusion of this non-free media.
I have a nitpick-y note about the following sentence: According to Patrick Drazen, the name may pun on her role as the pilot of Evangelion Unit-00. I have not really seen pun being used as a verb before. I would instead say something like the name may be a pun on.
Again, this is admittedly more of a minor note, but I would avoid repeating designer/design in the following sentence if possibly: Anno asked character designer Yoshiyuki Sadamoto to design Rei as a depressed and reticent girl.
I am not sure if the Japanese songs should be in italics within the quotation marks. MOS:FOREIGNTITLE uses a German song as an example, which is not italicized.
Is there any further information about the female monologue from "Fumimi no kodomo"? I understand that this inspired Rei's voice, but without additional context, it is difficult for an unfamiliar reader like myself to really get a firm grasp on this. If possible, I would add something brief to clarify what was taken away from this monologue.
I am uncertain about the citation placement for this part, Anno wanted a melancholic. I feel like it awkwardly cuts off the sentence near the start, which hinders readability, but feel free to disagree with me. This caught my eye, so I wanted to bring my concern to your attention.
I am unsure about this sentence: One of his artbooks also includes, among Rei's designs, a drawing of a dark-haired character named Yui Ichijō, although Sadamoto did not specify her identity. It is positioned between parts that contrast Rei with Asuka, so this come off a bit random. This is also the only mention of Yui Ichijō in the article, so it is a bit confusing.
I am unfamiliar with Neon Genesis Evangelion, so I am coming into this article from that perspective. With that in mind, I am having trouble with parts of the first paragraph of the "Development" section. It feels like it is meant for readers already familiar with this anime. Here are some examples. Nerv is mentioned without additional context in this sentence: an ancient ruin located deep beneath Nerv headquarters that served as her metaphorical mother. Arqa is defined as an ancient ruin, so I was confused when I got to this part, Rei fed on Arqa's flesh. I have similar concerns with the mentions of Adamah and a covenant with twelve final Angels. I hope that this does not come across as too negative or as too harsh. Writing about something like Neon Genesis Evangelion is more difficult as there is so much background to navigate.
I believe that the following part, Gendo's attempts to recreate Yui, is the first time in the article that Yui Ikari is mentioned, so the link should be moved here and the character's full name should be used. To piggyback off my previous comment, it should also be clarified who this person is for unfamiliar readers.
Again, I hope that these comments are helpful. This review goes up to the start of the "Development" section. Apologies as I have raised this concern in the first peer review, so I do not want to sound like a broken record or to be too annoying, but while going through the article, my primary concern about whether or not this could be understood by readers unfamiliar with Neon Genesis Evangelion. The "Creation and conception" section would be the most difficult with this, as it is positioned prior to the reader getting to the actual plot summary. Just to be clear, I think that you have done a wonderful job with the article and that there is a lot of great work here. Please let me know if you have any questions, and I hope that you have a wonderful weekend. Aoba47 (talk) 16:37, 23 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Regarding Fumimi no kodomo. Sadamoto literally says in the book: "[In Fumimi no kodomo] there's a short monologue by a girl. She speaks very softly, almost mumbling. I remember saying, 'This voice is amazing. I'd love to create a girl who speaks with a voice like that', and I played it for Makki [Kazuya Tsurumaki], didn't I? It's surprising, but it sounds remarkably similar to the voice Hayashibara ended up using [in the show]. I never told Anno 'Find me someone with a voice like this', but they do sound alike, don't they?". TeenAngels1234 (talk) 22:08, 23 October 2026 (UTC)reply
That makes sense to me. Thank you for the clarification. I would recommend that you add something brief to the prose to clarify Sadamoto was inspired by how the soft or meek voice for the monologue. Aoba47 (talk) 02:22, 24 October 2026 (UTC)reply
Thank you for addressing everything so far. Let me know when everything has been addressed, and I will be more than happy to continue my review. Aoba47 (talk) 00:17, 1 November 2026 (UTC)reply
For this part, led him to neglect her personality, I am uncertain about "neglect". It is technically correct, but I associate it with other contexts, so I think that a better word choice would be more suitable here.
For this part, Someone lent him an issue of Bessatsu Takarajima, I woud clarify that Bessatsu Takarajima is a mook. I would also avoid using "someone" if the person's identity is uknown. I would instead say, He was lent an issue of Bessatsu Takarajima. I do have a similar comment for a later part, he drew inspiration from Kazuo Umezu's The Drifting Classroom, as I would clarify that this is referencing a manga.
Please provide descriptors for Naoko Akagi and Misato Katsuragi on their first mentions in the article. On a similar note, Kaworu's full name should be used with a link and a descriptor. For these instances, the characters are mentioned with the assumption that the readers are already familiar with them, which may not be the case.
The wording for this part, behaving similarly to a stranger toward Shinji, seems off to me. Do you mean something like behaving like a stranger toward Shinji?
This sentence, Anno's original plans for the finale did not include the giant Rei who later appeared in The End of Evangelion (1997); he conceived the idea afterward., does not seem particularly noteworthy, as I would assume that it is common for creatives to make up new ideas for a character in subsquent appearances. If you would like to keep this, further clarification would be needed for the phrase "the giant Rei".
Is there any further information about Brina Palencia and Ryan Bartley in terms of voicing this character? Based on the article, I am guessing that this is all of the information available, but I wanted to double-check.
I am still confused by "feeding on Arqa's flesh", even with the context of "metaphorical mother". The article defines Arqa as a ruin, which I associate with things like Stonehenge or the Parthenon. The word "flesh" implies that Arqa is biological in some sense. If this cannot be clarified without WP:OR, then it may be best to remove this.
Angels are defined in the "Appearances" section, but they are first mentioned in the "Development" subsection without any context. This could be confusing for those reading the article top to bottom rather than jumping to a particular section.
I am noticing some repetition in the prose. There are two sentences in a row that start with "In X year" with: In 2014, she enrolls at ... and In 2015, the Angels begin attacking ... I would avoid using prominence/prominent for It gives Rei greater prominence than Asuka, who plays the more prominent role in the anime., and there are two sentences in a row that use "also appears".
The following sentence comes across as abrupt: When Shinji refuses to pilot, Rei first appears severely injured and physically frail. How did she get injured? Why is she frail? I feel like I missed something.
The following sentence reads more like a cliffhanger as it does not fully say what happened: Rei retrieves the lance and hurls it at her target. Did Rei hit Arael with the lance? Was Arael defeated/killed?
I would use descriptors for scholars when attributing them in the prose. By that, I do not mean the generic "scholar" or "academic", but rather citing their field of study as a frame of reference for readers. I first noticed this with third paragraph of the Rebuild of Evangelion subsection, but I have a similar comment about later sections.
For this part, In Yoshiyuki Sadamoto's manga adaptation, Rei first appears in the first volume's second chapter, "Reunion"., I would clarify what this manga is adapting, as the previous sections have thrown out multiple pieces of media, so it is not immediately clear here.
I am contemplating inserting a footnote that says, "The first volume of the manga is titled 'Angel Attack' (使徒、襲来, Shito, Shūrai) in Japanese, sharing the name with the first episode of the anime, 'Angel Attack'." at the instance of "first volume's", but I am not sure if this qualifies as WP:SKYBLUE and is acceptable for an FAC. For the time being, I clarified that the manga adapts the television series. Z. Patterson (talk) 03:41, 4 November 2026 (UTC)reply
I am not fully understanding this part, using the symbolism of their touching hands and the theme of motherhood, and I think that it could be more clearly explained.
I am uncertain about the necessity the Bosnia image. It seems primarily decorative to me. From my understanding, Azuma is referencing the Bosnian conflict as a whole, so highlighting these specific buildings in Sarajevo can creep into WP:OR territory. I also wonder if this image and caption puts undue weight on one academic and their analysis.
I question if this article is accessible for an unfamiliar reader. It is important to give leeway to more technical articles. If an unfamiliar reader went to this article without looking at the more general ones on the franchise, they should be prepared to do some legwork on their own. But, as I have noticed above, I do believe that things could be more clearly defined.
Along with this, I am uncertain about the prose. I have raised some concerns about this above, and I notice further issues while briefly scanning through the later sections. For instance, "curated" does not make sense for this part, curated the Italian adaptation of the series, and I am guessing you mean translated instead.
To be clear, I am not opposing this FAC. I am just not sure that it is ready to be a FA, but I will leave that for other reviewers (and for the FAC coordinators) to decide. Apologies for ending the review here. I hope that this does not come across as mean or rude. Best of luck with the FAC, and I hope that you both have a great start to your week. Aoba47 (talk) 04:30, 2 November 2026 (UTC)reply
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Courtesy pings: Sddarealone, Pdhadam. You've both helped on this article previously, so I'd appreciate it if you give further feedback during this FAC. Thanks. In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing | talk w/ me! 12:46, 4 November 2026 (UTC)
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