Dakota Johnson on Her October Cover, Trolling Friends, and Navigating the Press

It's hard for me to be awake right now.

I might be narcoleptic. [Chloe laughs]

It's getting to a point now where I'm like,

Huh, this is not normal.

This is The Run-Through.

I'm Chloe Malle, and today I'm speaking

with one of Vogue's October cover stars, Dakota Johnson.

Dakota, welcome to the show.

We were just saying that you arrived a full week ago

and you've been doing back-to-back press,

which is really relaxing.

I want to know how this cover shoot was,

because I was really, I was talking to Tonne about it,

and it's fun that Tonne did your first cover in 2015, right?

What was different about the experience then and now?

I felt very calm.

And I think the set was very calm.

The first time, I was just so nervous.

Even doing it now is a huge deal for me,

but it felt like Tonne wanted to access my authenticity

and wanted my input and wanted me to be a part of it.

And I felt valued and recognized as an artist

rather than 11 years ago, I was like,

I don't know what I'm doing or who I am.

And Larissa

was so calm and quick. Tonne Goodman

was the stylist, not only legendary Vogue editor,

but as we recently calculated,

has styled over 200 Vogue covers, which is remarkable.

And Larissa Hofmann is a great youngish photographer

who I was really excited to work with on this.

Yeah, her energy is so great and she moves really fast,

which I appreciate.

And I really didn't wear much makeup.

I was like in clothes that I felt really good in.

I didn't feel like I was trying to be a model

because I'm not a model,

and that can often feel so awkward and inauthentic for me,

but it was just great.

And it was also my makeup artist's birthday

that day, Georgie. Oh, fun.

And so we, like, celebrated her all day long

and I had her kids come and surprise her.

Oh, how fun. Her two daughters.

And then I pushed them in the pool,

and they had the time of their lives. [chuckles]

What cake did you bring for Georgie?

What cake did I get for her?

I got her champagne, for sure.

Flowers.

What a delightful-

Some kind of cake. Celebration.

It was so sweet. We love an onset.

I love celebrating people's birthdays.

What's a recent birthday gift you've gotten someone

that was unexpected?

My best friend, Blake,

turned 42 or something recently,

and we had a party at my house,

but I called it his 50th.

So I had balloons saying Blake's 50th.

Mostly, my gifts for him are jokes,

and I just try to ruin his life all the time.

And sometimes, I do get him good gifts,

but this year, I made him a bust of myself.

Oh, wow. I mean, I had it made.

I didn't make it. How did you have that made?

Is that like an Etsy Google?

Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. God, that Etsy seller

must have been like, Huh, didn't see this one coming.

Yeah, but it's also just not my name,

but it's just a bust of me.

[both laughing]

It's really funny.

And then I also made like pins of him making stupid face.

Like I just have horrible photos of him in my phone.

So I made T-shirts, I made pins.

There was good merch.

I was trying to humiliate him.

What's a recent gift you've gotten that you've loved?

I recently did a movie

in Italy with Alice Rohrwacher.

She directed it.

It was me and Jessie Buckley and Saoirse Ronan,

and she gave us these little paintings

by this really special artist from an island

that were representative of our characters in the movie.

And it's just my favorite thing.

Oh, that's lovely.

That was Three Incestuous Sisters.

Yeah. You filmed it

in Rome?

In Rome and Stromboli.

Ah. Mm-hmm.

Oh my God. Yeah.

I remember interviewing Jessie Buckley

after The Lost Daughter, and she told me

how much fun you guys all had after hours.

And now there's a lot of singing

and rosé. Yes, yes.

Was that the case with this movie also?

Yeah, there was not a lot of rosé.

We were kind of on a martini kick

on this movie. Yeah, Stromboli's not really

saying rosé in the same way. No, it's more like

a lot of natural wine involved.

And then there's like,

it would be like a martini night or a Negroni night.

Was there any singing?

Jessie's always singing,

and it's the best thing in the world.

No one else would dare sing around her

because she's so brilliant.

So she was just singing. Sometimes,

sometimes, sometimes, we'd bust out into.

But it wasn't like after The Lost Daughter nights on set,

'cause that would be like someone had a guitar

and it'd be like a sing-song,

but this was more just sort of impromptu Broadway moments.

When does that movie come out?

Do we know yet? Next year.

Okay. Sometime.

You would go over to dinner at Alessandro Michele's house

when you were filming in Rome,

and you guys have been friends for a long time.

What is your favorite thing he cooks for you?

I don't eat fish. Okay.

And fish is a thing in Italy.

Fish is a thing everywhere.

People love it, and I just don't.

[Chloe laughs] And so,

it's always like this really yummy kind of breaded chicken

and then like roast potatoes and green beans

and, you know, just like simple,

healthy, homemade Italian.

I remember when we published His House in Rome

and it was just the entire Vogue team gasped

at the same time when they saw those pictures.

What did you guys first connect over?

How did you first meet?

We met, I think at the Gucci show

like during Fashion Week one year.

I think I must have been 24.

When he was still obviously a designer at Gucci?

He was just starting.

Okay. He was just starting.

So then we just like became friends

and started spending more time together.

And then I had a contract with them for like 10 years,

and then he went to Valentino and I followed.

I love to see when people follow-

I will be with him for the rest of my life.

He's like truly one of the closest people in my life.

Aw, that's so nice. Yeah.

I think there's people that you meet

that you have a working relationship with

and a collaborative relationship,

but when you have the gift and the magic

of really seeing each other, and it is a genuine safe space

where you can have real conversations,

you can talk about the worries and the pain

and the magic and the secrets,

and you know that that person can keep them for you.

And then you also know that you can, like,

collaborate and work together,

it's so rare. It's rare.

Are you going to the Valentino show in Paris?

I'm not, I can't go 'cause I'm hosting SNL.

Oh my God, right, which is right around your birthday.

It is literally my birthday.

[Chloe] Oh, it's actually on your birthday.

It is my birthday.

Well, I'm hosting on the third and my birthday's the fourth,

so in the middle of the show,

it'll turn into my birthday. [Chloe gasps]

Oh my God, to turn your birthday on SNL

is really the way to maximize. I know.

I'm so excited.

That's the best gift I've been given.

Oh my gosh. I love SNL

more than anything. Yes, I know.

I remember when you hosted SNL,

but then I was reading how much you love SNL.

Did you grow up watching SNL? Yeah.

Is there a beloved era that you think back to

or skits in particular? I watched

when my brothers were watching,

which was like Chris Farley and Adam Sandler,

and I fell in love with it, so I'd go back,

and I've watched everything.

[Chloe] So this will be your second time hosting or third?

Third. Over halfway

to the five-timer club. I'm on my way.

That's very exciting. Fingers crossed.

My mother's like one of the only five-timers

who is always available,

and so they're always bringing her in.

But they're very protective of those jackets.

Yes, I know. They cannot leave

the studio. I know.

It's really sad. Yeah.

Wait, who is your mom?

Candace Bergen. What the fuck?

We talked about this because I have spent

a funeral with your mother recently.

[laughs] Oh, yeah.

And you guys had the best time.

[Chloe] Yeah, we had a really good time together.

Oh my God. She was wearing

like great black gloves and yes.

Wait, we did talk about this.

Yeah. Okay, that all makes sense.

Damn, cool mom. But she is the most,

she is the most available five-timer. [laughs]

Yeah.

I mean, I would be too if I were her.

Yeah, she's like, never have anything happening

at 10:00 PM on Sunday. Maybe she'll come

on my show.

How cool.

And actually, my mother was reminding me

that when I was little, 'cause you're a bit younger than me,

your dad lived on our street.

Yeah, I remember that house. Yeah.

Wow. But you didn't really

grow up going to school in LA.

No. You were sort

of a peripatetic youth.

Mm-hmm, not until I was 11.

I went to school in LA when I was 11 for the first time.

If you had kids and you were moving around,

would you move them in that way?

It depends on the family.

Depends on who your parents are and how they raise you,

because I am so grateful for everywhere I lived,

and I'm so grateful

for all the different kinds of people I met.

And I made friends all over the world,

and we traveled with a tutor, and then we'd go to museums.

So it was kind of a very immersive way of learning.

But then when I went to a real school,

my first real year of school was 10 years old,

fourth grade in San Francisco 'cause my dad lived there.

Interesting. And I did really well

because I had like structure for the first time,

and then I moved back to LA to live with my mom.

I like couldn't take tests.

I didn't understand standardized testing

and like testing in and out of schools.

Like I never learned the,

I didn't have the foundational skills of time management

and testing and ABC or whatever.

And I just- But you had other skills.

I had other skills,

and I value them so much more.

Yeah. So I think if,

for me, like yeah, I'd bring my kids around

if I knew they were extremely loved and supportive

and also respectful of all of humankind and curious.

I actually, I find now, 'cause I used to go

to the set of Murphy Brown all the time and I loved it.

And now, when my kids come to work with me,

it's so exciting for them.

And also, it's very helpful because then,

when I'm always leaving to go to work,

they have a reference for what it is.

Yeah. But I wonder,

was there ever outings on set

that were more exciting than others?

Like were there sets you went to when you were a kid

that stand out in your memory?

I think we visited the Spy Kids set.

[Chloe] Oh, that's fun.

When my sister was really little

and she was obsessed with Spy Kids,

and I was a little bit too cool at that time,

but she was- I actually watched

Spy Kids for the first time this summer.

Such a great movie. It's a classic.

Yeah, it's a great movie.

So fun.

I was a little shaken though because I watched it

with our babysitter who's in her early 20s,

and she was like,

Yeah, this is what Antonio Banderas is famous for.

I was like, Oh, wow. Hello?

For 25-year-olds, this may be the case.

Excuse me? I mean, if you grew up

watching Spy Kids, she was like,

This is how I first learned who he was.

This is what makes him important to me.

I mean, I do hear people all the time who are like,

Oh, your mom's Candice Bergen.

'Miss Congeniality.'

I'm like, Dagger to her heart.

Oh my God.

It's not Zorro.

It's not Desperado, obviously.

It's not- No, or Evita.

Or Evita or Shrek.

Oh, that's so true.

Forgot about Shrek.

Yeah, Shrek was a fun one.

Also, my sister was obsessed with Shrek.

I was really into the set

of Desperado. Your sister

is your half-sister that-

With my mom and Antonio. Yes, yeah.

But I was really into the Desperado set,

and we were living in Mexico City at the time

or like just outside of Mexico City.

And I would dye my hair in the makeup trailer,

in the hair and makeup trailer, I would dye it pink.

It was temporary, but that's-

At what age? I loved it.

I think I was 12.

Oh, wow. Yeah.

I'm very interested in the fact

that you are a natural blonde who tends to go brunette,

which is typically not the direction people take.

Do people treat you differently

if you're blonde or brunette?

I treat myself differently.

[Chloe] Interesting.

[chuckles] It's so weird.

I don't identify as a blonde.

Okay. And I was like a toehead.

I was like blonde, blonde, blonde as a kid.

White blonde hair.

And then it kind of got dirty blonde.

And I feel like you come from a line

of two of the most famous blondes we know.

Yeah.

I don't know if they're my real parents.

[Chloe laughs]

Well, I met Tippi Hedren, but-

Oh, right.

Yeah, she's definitely my grandma.

Yeah. [laughs]

She is.

But I can do it.

Like I could pull it off, but I don't feel like that's me.

What's the bang management situation?

Well, I don't know if you can tell right now,

but I recently cut them myself.

[Chloe laughs]

Much to Mark's chagrin.

That's impressive. Did I do a good job?

You did do a good job. They're a little lopsided.

One side's a bit longer, but we'll fix it later.

Yeah, it's true.

How often does that happen?

Sometimes if I've had a cocktail,

I'm like, This is a good idea.

And then other times, it's telling

of having some sort of existential crisis.

Like I have to do something tactile to myself.

That's like cutting my bangs, normally.

But it was before I was going on this press tour,

and I was kind of like, I haven't been very public.

It's hard to be under a microscope and scrutinized,

and like everything is watched,

and now everyone is a spy and everyone is the press.

Oh my God. And I just was like,

Psh-psh-psh-psh-psh. [laughs]

It was Fashion Week this week.

It was also the beginning of school.

I was frenetic this week.

I was racing around.

Usually, fashion shows start

20 to 30 minutes late, as you know.

The Carolina Herrera show,

they said in small letters on the bottom,

We'll start promptly at 6:00.

I got there at 6:07.

They were texting me, We're starting the show.

The security guard wouldn't let me cut through

into Lincoln Center, so I climbed underneath a barricade.

And of course, someone filmed that,

and it got served to a lot of people's algorithms.

And it was a reminder that-

I think that's rad.

People are always looking around.

And I wonder, does that affect your calculus

when you like go out to dinner with someone?

Can you ever go out to dinner with any gentleman

and people not write about it?

No. But do you still do it?

Do you not care?

Or you're like, Why don't we have dinner somewhere there?

I don't know.

Even if I go to dinner with my manager or my lawyer,

it's like, Seen with mystery man.

It's just like, I also don't care.

Well, that's good. Sure, yeah.

Do you ever feel the desire

to wanna correct something that people are saying?

I think it's just kind of futile.

People are gonna believe what they wanna believe,

and I don't have the energy to fight for that.

I like would much rather focus on other things in my life.

Every day, there's something on the internet

that's ridiculous and true or not true,

and I don't care.

Yeah. Like get a life.

Our other cover star, one of our other cover stars,

Mikey Madison, who's in The Social Reckoning.

Have you seen it yet? I haven't.

Your first adult role was very memorable,

Justin Timberlake's girlfriend in The Social Network.

How has your relationship to social media changed

since that movie or since,

I feel like that was the beginning

of people using. That was.

It was the beginning of people using.

Maybe when I was in my younger 20s,

had like a moment of being on social media

just for fun and laughs,

'cause I love a clever thing.

Anything clever, I'm like, Yeah, cool.

But I just don't fuck with it.

I'll sometimes look at, like,

because our book club is on Instagram right now.

We might have a new update with that.

So there's some things that I have to do and for work,

but I don't really,

I feel really uncomfortable with the like constant

documenting of people's lives.

Yeah, well, so you can't comment.

It's not a safe space.

Anything you comment,

people are taking. I did comment

on Jen Lawrence's post recently.

Did you see that?

I saw that you called her a slut,

which I love for both of you.

[both laughing]

But also, do you see the same thing happen to her,

that she made a joke about,

someone said about Emma Stone or about Jen,

Who is this person?

And she said, Someone with one less Oscar than Emma Stone.

Yeah, yeah. [Chloe laughs]

People were upset about that.

I think Jen and I could be the ultimate

internet trolls if like we,

A, had the time and B, the interest.

But her video was so earnest about people being nice to her.

Oh, right, it was her return to Instagram.

Yeah. [Chloe laughs]

I have a really amazing video of her

walking down the street and she was like,

Oh, I'm walking by your house.

And I was living in New York filming a movie,

and so I opened the top floor window

and just was like, Slut!

[both laughing]

And I filmed it, and it was so funny.

She was just like,

Hopefully, that'll end up on the internet one day.

How else have you trolled someone recently?

My little brother.

Trolled him.

What does that look like?

I told him to stop wearing flip-flops.

That's a public service.

It really is.

Gentlemen shouldn't be wearing flip-flops.

Ever.

Especially these, like, I'm sorry,

but like Gen Z college dudes,

your feet are gross.

Yeah. Your toes are gross.

You're smelly.

You're like always clammy.

Put your feet away.

Yeah. Wear some shoes.

Be a man. There you go.

Come on.

I don't wanna see rainbow flip-flops.

I know. Deacon.

Did he take your advice? No.

Well, he might now.

No, and then I saw him and like a bunch of his friends.

I was visiting my dad and a bunch of them walked in,

and they're all wearing rainbow flip-flops.

Oh, wow.

And I was just like, Get out.

Get right on out of here.

Out of the house.

What's your stance on flip-flops in New York City?

I don't know, for some reason, it's chic on women.

Yeah, The Row helped that.

Because I think also, you know that all of those women

are walking right into their house

and taking them off and washing their feet.

It's so true.

Deacon's not doing that. With like

antibacterial soap.

It's true, I do in the summer,

if I'm wearing flip-flops, put my feet right in the bath.

Yeah, you must.

Although, I mean, Lloyd is coming in after doing

God knows what in the park. Yeah, what do you do

about that? Nothing, and it's gross.

He's like on my pillow.

It's disgusting. That would freak me out.

I know, but I mean, I do wash his feet

when it's muddy or snowy, but-

What about all the, like, urine?

Oh, no, it's gross.

Also, he's peeing on himself, and then he's just like-

Chloe, this is not good. I know.

This is not good. [Chloe laughs]

You got to get those,

when I lived here and I had my dog Zeppelin,

I would have those disinfecting paw wipes.

I know, I know.

We should do that more.

'Cause I was so freaked out about it.

We have this little contraption

that my mother-in-law sent me from Shark Tank,

which looks like a little mini blender,

but you put their foot in and shake it around

and it cleans off, 'cause the salt really hurts their paws,

but like won't wear the booties.

And so I always feel bad

when he's sort of limping after the snow.

Yeah. What's Tokyo up to?

Tokyo.

Well, I actually also, I adopted another dog.

[Chloe gasps] I know.

His name's Bruce.

Oh, my mother's dog's name is Bruce.

Really? Yes.

Aw. Yes.

He's Lloyd's brother. He and Candy.

Like this. Yeah.

Bruce is a nightmare.

My Bruce is a sweet angel.

Wow. He was tied up

in a trailer park.

I don't really know what breed he is.

He looks kind of like a bear and a terrier.

How big is he? He's medium-sized.

He has a big head. Wow.

How do him and Tokyo get along?

They are obsessed with each other.

Wow, who's the boss?

Tokyo. Okay.

Yeah, she's so chic and she's so, like,

she'll just like swat him

in the face. She's real flair.

Yeah, she's a supermodel.

Yeah. She's really special.

I know, I would love her- She hates men.

To be in Dog.

Oh, yeah. Her and Bruce.

Okay. Oh, I wanna hear

if you have any clothes from your mom

or your grandmother that you wear.

I have clothes from my mom.

I have a pair of Chanel pants.

They're probably from the '90s

that she cut the bottoms off.

Oh, wow. And so they're like

a little bit frayed on the bottoms.

And my sister and I just like try to get them

from each other all the time.

My sister Stella. Wow, that's a very chic

sisterhood of the traveling Chanel pants.

Yeah, they're so great.

They're black, they have these frayed

sort of seams at the top, and they're so good.

They're just like the perfect, weird black trouser.

Wow, is there any like Hitchcock era?

I wish.

My grandma's body is unbelievably tiny.

Interesting. And she was extremely tiny.

Interesting. So I have the Hitchcock

green suit, but it's kind of on display in her little,

there's this funny museum area of her preserve

where it's like The Birds memorabilia

and Marnie memorabilia. Wow.

Interesting. Yeah.

Did Edith Head do both of those?

Okay, wow, that's fun.

Yeah, it's beautiful.

I mean, she has,

there's a cedar trailer of loads of her stuff,

and she wears the most wild outfits right now.

I love that for her. She loves to get dressed

and get ready every day.

I think that's very important.

And it takes like four and a half hours.

Oh, wow. And then she

just hangs out at home.

I respect that.

I liked when people really would dress up

during COVID lockdown and just like committed to it.

That was not me. No, nor I.

But respectful to others

who proved it was- Respect, respect.

Yeah.

I wanna know about how when your mom

found you smoking cigarettes, she gave you an ashtray,

because actually, my mom and I were talking

about this recently because my son

is just a sort of provocateur

and just wants to mess with me.

And so anything- How old is he?

He's six.

[both laughing]

I was like, Surely, he's 17.

[Chloe laughs]

I mean, I'm waiting for that period,

but anything I tell him not to do, it's a green light.

And my mom was reminding me that when I was in high school,

I would invite people over

and she sort of knew we were drinking,

but she was happier we were in her apartment

than, you know, at some creepy bar on Second Avenue

where we also were. Yeah, yeah.

What was the parental approach

throughout? It was that, it was that.

It was like better that you're at the house.

I would have people over a lot as a teen,

but she smokes.

She still smokes. Oh, interesting.

So I think she was just like-

Hypercritical? Yeah, if I'm like,

You can't smoke.

We would smoke cigarettes together.

Oh, that's nice.

[both laughing]

Do you still do that together?

I don't smoke cigarettes.

Oh, okay.

Was it hard to quit cigarettes?

I quit when I was 26.

So I realize quit cigarettes makes me sound very old.

Quit smoking. Quit smoking.

Did I say quit

cigarettes as well? I did.

And then did I repeat that? Yeah.

[both laughing]

Yeah, I quit cigarettes when I was 26.

Were you hypnotized?

No, I just kind of like went off it.

I really don't like smelling like cigarettes.

This is my problem. I'm a very

scent-oriented person, and I like to be clean

and feel clean, and it gets stuck in my hair, and I hate it.

I am not a very clean-oriented person.

I like to wash my hair as little as possible.

And so if I'm somewhere where people are smoking,

I cannot get it out of my hair.

On Saturday night, I was at a party,

and I would've loved to stay, but everyone was smoking.

I was like, This is not for me.

Yeah, it's tough.

And then like in the morning,

you smell kind of like it. Yes, the whole bed smells.

Forget Lloyd, that's the real problem of bed contamination.

Yeah, in Italy, everyone would, like,

have a cigarette on Fridays,

and our DP, Ellen Luvart,

would smoke Vogues,

and it was the chicest thing in the world.

Well, that is.

I mean, European women somehow do it differently.

So now my friends and I have this thing

called Vogue Fridays, and everyone smokes

one Vogue cigarette and has a cocktail.

Wow. So maybe we should like

collab in some way. Collab.

A licensing meeting needs-

Yeah, let's collab. Wow, Vogue Fridays

is really the way to go. Yeah.

I feel like everyone is very excited

about your interior design

and your Architectural Digest videos.

Thank you. And I love the video we did

that you got into the writing of.

I did. I was very-

I did. Even our most cynical

colleague was like, This is very funny.

Oh, really? Yeah.

That's fabulous.

I was like, Can I just do a quick pass?

I had so much fun with that.

It was delightful. So much fun.

You're in a new house now. Mm-hmm.

What was the most fun part of your designing of that?

It was kind of pairing,

'cause the house is sort of a Mediterranean style house,

but then there's modern aspects of it.

Like my kitchen counter is stainless steel,

and so it's a lot of silver.

And so I was going with,

I have these a row of silver goblets,

and like I love a stainless steel tray.

And so these like pops of kind of silver

in this Mediterranean style home.

And then I recently redid the ADU to be a screening room.

Ooh. I know.

See, ADU is a term that everyone in LA uses,

but no one else really knows what it means.

It's an accessory domicile unit.

Yeah. So it's like

a guest house, a garage.

It's just an additional structure.

Yeah. That's very exciting.

Yeah. Is your kitchen

in this house green also?

'Cause I feel like you birthed many a green kitchen

from that last house. It's not.

I know.

Before I sold my last house,

I repainted the kitchen before I sold it.

[gasps] Oh, wow. I know.

Just so you will not have

this green kitchen. You will never have it.

Wow, okay. [Dakota laughs]

We just interviewed Julia Louis-Dreyfus, and I was like,

I wonder if Dakota wants to go on Broadway.

It's Julia's Broadway debut.

Is that a dream?

That is a dream.

I would like to do a play.

I think I might do one,

not next year, the year after, talking about it.

That's exciting.

But planning things that far in advance is so-

I just thought in my head, wow, 2028.

That's really perplexing to me, and I just can't.

I can't even wrap my head around, like,

my mom asked me what I wanted to do for Christmas this year,

and I was like-

Oh yeah, I need to figure that out.

It's August.

And it's not, it's September.

It's later.

It's time.

I don't want to plan Christmas.

Okay, mommy? You must.

[both laughing]

[Dakota] Why don't our moms plan Christmas?

Together. Yeah.

And then we can not show up. [laughs]

They had lunch recently at Salad Place.

La Scala? Yeah.

[both laughing]

And actually, my mom doesn't know how to work her phone,

and so I got an Apple emergency help call,

and it was like, You are the emergency contact,

and the person is in an emergency at La Scala. [laughs]

And I was like- That's really funny.

They're fine. Yeah, they're fine.

There's salami.

It was meant to be chicken. Emergency. [laughs]

That's really funny. My favorite movie

you've done recently was The Materialists.

I love this movie.

I recently saw Celine Song front row

at the Kallmeyer Fashion Show, and it was like

the most exciting. I'm wearing Kallmeyer pants.

[Chloe] I love Kallmeyer.

It fits so well.

Love so much. Yeah.

Love so much.

[Chloe laughs]

We'll take anything. Danielle, are you listening?

One thing I think about often from The Materialists,

'cause I swoon for Pedro Pascal

mostly because he does the voiceover of the Planetarium Show

at the American Museum of Natural History, so whenever-

That's amazing, I didn't know that.

It's like you're lulled by his dulcet tones.

But I'd never heard of height surgery, of like leg-breaking

height surgery- That's a real thing.

Until then.

Do you know people who've done that?

I feel like I do, and now I don't remember,

but I feel like at the time, I did.

It rocked me.

Do you know anybody? No.

I'd never heard of it before, but now I'm like

thinking about people. We'll probably never know.

I know, I might never know.

What's the craziest cosmetic surgery

you've heard about recently in LA?

I don't know that I know much about that stuff.

Our beauty editor, we're investigating.

There's a new trend that's about to be FDA approved

of using cadaver fat for implants because it's more organic.

Shut up. And I'm really excited.

I want a deep dive. Are you gonna do it?

I'm not, but I'm really eager for a reporter

to do it. [laughs] To do it.

Where do you put the fat?

She might do it in her forehead or under her eyes,

but you can also do it for breast implants.

It's much more natural.

They put it in a centrifuge.

Like somebody's dead body thigh

is going in your face? It's sort of like

a Celine Song movie.

It's just creepy enough. It makes me feel

really bad about humanity.

I think it's like recycling.

I'm sort of into it.

I imagine there's two gurneys, right?

[Chloe laughs]

And there's the dead body gurney,

and then they're just syringing out

and then syringing into your body.

Surely, there's like a cleaning process.

Things are spun. Okay.

Oh, okay, okay. Yeah.

Oh, like stem cells. Yes.

Stem cell donors are alive,

and they have to go through a testing process

that's like years.

Yeah, this, I don't think you have to test at all.

I'm gonna find out. My God.

When you're on a press tour like this,

do you go home at night and you unwind watching something

on your laptop or no, you're just going to sleep?

I just finished The Beast in Me.

I loved that.

Yeah, people love that.

I've been watching it.

And I have been watching Widow's Bay,

but it gets so spooky that like

I can't really watch that at nighttime.

That's what I'm saying.

I am really into true crime documentaries,

especially ones about cults.

Oh, interesting, okay. So that's the kind of thing

that I watch because when I watch shows or movies,

I am working.

Like I'm constantly trying to figure out

what was the budget?

Where did they shoot?

How did they do this?

What camera did they use?

Is it on film?

Is it digital?

Who's the editor?

Who's the composer?

It's funny, that's how I feel when I look at a magazine.

Yeah, exactly, yeah.

I was talking to a friend who's a musician

and it's the same thing.

If you watch a concert, it's like,

she's constantly like, What are they doing?

What's the production here?

And so watching true crime documentaries,

I'm just like, Whoa, spooky.

Crazy. [laughs]

Crazy people. [laughs]

Can't relate. Yeah.

Can't relate, or can I?

I don't know.

Dakota, thank you very much for coming.

Thank you. Very touched

to be your rare podcast.

This is great, I could do this all day.

Great, well, we're here. I could talk to you

all day long. Bring Tokyo next year.

I was so jealous that Tokyo was licking the microphone.

I know, but she was a sweet baby then,

and now she's an asshole.

She hates men.

'Cause she's a diva.

She is, she loves women, hates men.

If a man comes, she's insane.

It's great.

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