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make function parameter sentinel value true singletons #88289
I recently noticed that some functions use sentinel values to differentiate between not having been passed any value vs. None. One example of this is traceback.print_exception(), hence I'm adding Irit to the nosy list.
However, using e.g. sentinel = object() or a single instance of a dedicated class/type can break when combined with pickling (see examples below).
Since these sentinel are usually compared using the is operator, having more than a single instance will break things, sometimes in very confusing ways.
I suggest ensuring that a single instance is always used, probably by using a class with a __new__() method making sure to always return a single instance.
>>> sentinel =object()
>>> sentinel2 = pickle.loads(pickle.dumps(sentinel))
>>> sentinel is sentinel2
False
>>> sentinel
<object object at 0x7fd00a986560>
>>> sentinel2
<object object at 0x7fd00a986500>
>>> classA:
... pass
...
>>> a = A()
>>> a2 = pickle.loads(pickle.dumps(a))
>>> a is a2
False
>>> a
<__main__.A object at 0x7fd00a9972f0>
>>> a2
<__main__.A object at 0x7fd009599450>
Here's an implementation which ensures a single instance is used, even considering multi-threading and pickling, which sets a nice repr according to the module and class name:
try:
from threading import Lock
except ImportError:
class Lock:
def __enter__(self):
pass
def __exit__(self, exc_type, exc_value, traceback):
pass
This needs a good deal more discussion before sweeping through the code and change a long standing Python idiom that has stood the test of time. Until now, no one has claimed that this is broken. You "recently noticing this" doesn't mean that it is wrong.
This needs a good deal more discussion before sweeping through the code and change a long standing Python idiom that has stood the test of time.
I agree this should be discussed, which is why I created this issue about it, as place for that discussion to take place. This is also being discussed on python-dev.
The examples I've mentioned are both rather new, and they have implemented sentinel values using three different methods, with those in dataclasses even being inconsistent among themselves. I fail to see how this can be considered "chang[ing] a long standing Python idiom that has stood the test of time".
You "recently noticing this" doesn't mean that it is wrong.
I find this wording makes things unnecessarily personal and negative. Let's discuss things based on technical merit.
I do not understand the problem with pickling sentinel values used as default values for function parameters. Could you please show an example?
A category of relevant uses I can think of is when wrapping a function and storing the parameters it was called with for some later use. Some examples of this are logging, caching and RPC.
Specifically for RPC, using pickle to serialize/deserialize the parameters and then call the function with them seems reasonable. RPyC[1] does this in some cases, though I haven't yet checked how it handles these kinds of sentinel objects specifically.
Parameters are not passed to a function. Arguments are passed. And what you need is just to not pass to the wrapped function arguments which were not passed to wrapper. *args and **kwargs do not contain arguments which were not passed.
I understand that it would be pleasant to have better some singletons and sentinels (with better repr, and sometimes pickleable), but I don't think that the problem with pickling default values of function parameters even exists.
And what you need is just to not pass to the wrapped function arguments which were not passed to wrapper. *args and **kwargs do not contain arguments which were not passed.
It's common for wrapper functions to mirror the defaults of the wrapped functions and pass those along... A quick search brings up an example from dataclasses where sentinel values are passed as arguments to a wrapped callable[1].
I concede that issues with pickling such values are very unlikely. I stumbled upon such an issue once and it was difficult to debug, but that was a very unusual circumstance.
Still, it's a bit surprising that we have public facing values in stdlib modules which don't behave as one would expect with regard to pickling. This is why I created this
It seems that I should have marked this as "enhancement" rather than the default of "behavior", though, since I meant this to be an improvement on the current situation, rather then assert the current situation is "broken".
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taleinat commentedon May 13, 2021
I recently noticed that some functions use sentinel values to differentiate between not having been passed any value vs. None. One example of this is traceback.print_exception(), hence I'm adding Irit to the nosy list.
However, using e.g.
sentinel = object()or a single instance of a dedicated class/type can break when combined with pickling (see examples below).Since these sentinel are usually compared using the
isoperator, having more than a single instance will break things, sometimes in very confusing ways.I suggest ensuring that a single instance is always used, probably by using a class with a __new__() method making sure to always return a single instance.
taleinat commentedon May 13, 2021
Additional examples of such sentinel values in the stdlib are those in the dataclasses module, e.g. dataclasses.MISSING.
zware commentedon May 13, 2021
FWIW, at work we've been using
...as a handy not-None singleton.taleinat commentedon May 13, 2021
Here is what I suggest working with sentinels would look like:
Here's an implementation which ensures a single instance is used, even considering multi-threading and pickling, which sets a nice repr according to the module and class name:
try:
from threading import Lock
except ImportError:
class Lock:
def __enter__(self):
pass
def __exit__(self, exc_type, exc_value, traceback):
pass
taleinat commentedon May 13, 2021
Alternatively, sentinels can simply be classes:
taleinat commentedon May 13, 2021
... and they can be given excellent reprs by using a meta-class:
This also has another nice benefit:
rhettinger commentedon May 14, 2021
This needs a good deal more discussion before sweeping through the code and change a long standing Python idiom that has stood the test of time. Until now, no one has claimed that this is broken. You "recently noticing this" doesn't mean that it is wrong.
serhiy-storchaka commentedon May 14, 2021
I do not understand the problem with pickling sentinel values used as default values for function parameters. Could you please show an example?
taleinat commentedon May 14, 2021
I agree this should be discussed, which is why I created this issue about it, as place for that discussion to take place. This is also being discussed on python-dev.
The examples I've mentioned are both rather new, and they have implemented sentinel values using three different methods, with those in dataclasses even being inconsistent among themselves. I fail to see how this can be considered "chang[ing] a long standing Python idiom that has stood the test of time".
I find this wording makes things unnecessarily personal and negative. Let's discuss things based on technical merit.
vstinner commentedon May 14, 2021
Tal: "This is also being discussed on python-dev."
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/thread/ZLVPD2OISI7M4POMTR2FCQTE6TPMPTO3/
taleinat commentedon May 14, 2021
A category of relevant uses I can think of is when wrapping a function and storing the parameters it was called with for some later use. Some examples of this are logging, caching and RPC.
Specifically for RPC, using pickle to serialize/deserialize the parameters and then call the function with them seems reasonable. RPyC[1] does this in some cases, though I haven't yet checked how it handles these kinds of sentinel objects specifically.
I'll try to find a good concrete example.
[1] https://rpyc.readthedocs.io/
serhiy-storchaka commentedon May 14, 2021
Parameters are not passed to a function. Arguments are passed. And what you need is just to not pass to the wrapped function arguments which were not passed to wrapper. *args and **kwargs do not contain arguments which were not passed.
I understand that it would be pleasant to have better some singletons and sentinels (with better repr, and sometimes pickleable), but I don't think that the problem with pickling default values of function parameters even exists.
taleinat commentedon May 15, 2021
It's common for wrapper functions to mirror the defaults of the wrapped functions and pass those along... A quick search brings up an example from dataclasses where sentinel values are passed as arguments to a wrapped callable[1].
I concede that issues with pickling such values are very unlikely. I stumbled upon such an issue once and it was difficult to debug, but that was a very unusual circumstance.
Still, it's a bit surprising that we have public facing values in stdlib modules which don't behave as one would expect with regard to pickling. This is why I created this
It seems that I should have marked this as "enhancement" rather than the default of "behavior", though, since I meant this to be an improvement on the current situation, rather then assert the current situation is "broken".
[1]
cpython/Lib/dataclasses.py
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