Talk:Sovereign citizen movement

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2026

This is intentionally misleading and false by design. "Sovereign Citizen" is an oxymoron used by law enforcement to criminalize lawful status declaration. You can not be sovereign and at the same time be a citizen. A Sovereign is a living breathing man or woman and a Citizen is enslaved and legal property of a another man, woman or corporation (a person) whether it claims to be a legitimate government or not. Look it up and Fix this, don't be part of the problem. ~2026-40151-26 (talk) 19:10, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. meamemg (talk) 19:32, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if it is an oxymoron. There is nothing to fix. There are many oxymorons in english and other languages. I watch a lot of videos on youtube and this issue is brought up often by sovereign citizens however, it is not up to the judge to decide the meaning of words. If somehow says that they are sovereign, I wouldn't know what they mean, what political notion they are talking about. Breathing man or woman? You actually think the prosecutor cares if you are breathing? They are going to prosecute you for breaking the law. I see these sovcits playing word games like saying "I am not a person". Yes, you are a person. You don't need to tell me that you aren't a "corporation". Sovcits sound like idiots when they come to court and say that they are breathing or that they aren't a corporation. Who said that you are a corporation? Another word that they don't know is the word understand. Sovcits think that understand means to stand under. That is a sovcit definition. Nobody in society uses that definition. Wikipedia is not here to use your personal definition of words. The courts aren't going to use your personal definitions either. Vmelkon (talk) 02:20, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

There is a point worth considering here : SovCit gurus and scam artists have largely stopped using the phrase "Sovereign Citizen" because they don't want their victims to google the phrase and wind up on a bunch of videos of cops and judges laughing at them.

So they recycle the old nonsense under new, harder to google, names.

If we can find a good source that describes the most common alternate phrases, it would be valuable information to put in the lead. ApLundell (talk) 04:33, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

Indeed, and it's worth mentioning that SovCits have been rejecting the label for a long time now. There is a section in this talk page archive from 2011 objecting to the term on exactly the same grounds as the OP here: "Sovereign Citizen - An Oxymoron". In addition to the reason you mention, I think that they reject the term because there are various instances of case law that specifically state that sovereign citizen-style arguments are invalid. ~2026-53367-76 (talk) 21:10, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

Wait ?

You know Canada is a sovereign country . We have law and lisence plate . Can you show the diference between this extremist group and actual Sovereignty ty . ~2026-51535-97 (talk) 04:04, 25 September 2026 (UTC)

The main difference is that so-called sovereign citizens believe that they, as persons, are sovereign from the government in which they live, be it the U.S., Canada or any other state. Also, their belief is not accepted by domestic law or international law, and it is based on a very peculiar reading of cherrypicked documents. In contrast, the kind of sovereignity that you mention is universally accepted as a concept and generally applies to countries, not individuals. Is there anything in the article that is unclear? Sjö (talk) 07:27, 25 September 2026 (UTC)

That and $3.50 will get you a cup of coffee. Guy (help! - typo?) 18:00, 5 October 2026 (UTC)