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Timeline of participation

@Mkess300, the inclusion of Malaysia team is irrelevant post-independence, so is Malaya and North Borneo as crown colonies of the British Empire. For Malaya, North Borneo and Singapore participated in the olympics as three different sports delegation. Post merger of Singapore and Malaysia, a single Malaysia team was sent, including Singapore's delegation participating under the Malaysia flag. ~ JASWE (talk) 09:12, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

This timeline is relevant. Look at British West Indies at the 1960 Summer Olympics: The teams of Jamaica and Trinidad & Tobago were merged together (along with Barabados) to create the British West Indies before they were seperated into independent teams, so that timeline is relevant, so that this timeline is relevant too because Singapore, Malaya and North Borneo were merged to create Malaysia, then Singapore gained independence from Malaysia. Mkess300 (talk) 14:41, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

• Barbados sorry for the mistype

Mkess300 (talk) 14:42, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

@Mkess300, please refer to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST as it is not the best basis to say why is it important or relevant. Please discuss on its own merits. Furthermore, the table is created by you and this is best discussed over at Wikiproject Olympics. I have pointed out in my above comments that other countries or colonies are irrelevant so it should not be included, except for that one Olympic that Singapore send a contingent as part of a Malaysia team. You need to understand the context and not lumping them because they are similar. Might as well add Great Britain at the same time since the colonies belonged to them also. ~ JASWE (talk) 15:03, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

I apologize for wrongly noting that the table over at British West Indies at the 1960 Summer Olympics was created by you. Regardless, it held redundant information, the article is about the British West Indies and not Jamaica and others. The extra information is confusing. ~ JASWE (talk) 02:18, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

Table is confusing. There's no need to include other teams unnecessarily when they have nothing to do with Singapore other than being related through their colonial status. I have replace them with a remarks column which should suffice as an explanation of how the teams were registered as. – robertsky (talk) 01:12, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

@Justanothersgwikieditor I ask you not to make a unilateral decision during a dispute over one article—effectively forcing multiple articles to align with your subjective view—without any discussion.

I have reverted several of your edits because they fail to take into account the history of the respective teams, particularly regarding athletes who competed for predecessor or successor teams.
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EDIT: However, regarding this article, I agree with your edits, as they sufficiently and are better showing the historical participation of the athletes from Singapore. Miria~01 (talk) 19:00, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

@Miria~01, given that each CountryX at the Olympics article is talking about the country's athletes, it would be adding excessive and irrelevant information about the history of the country, and for some countries their future. Based on your logic, what Mkess300 had done for this article (since Singapore's and North Borneo's athletes went as part of Malaysia's team) is correct and you are contradicting yourself here. Since the article is about CountryX, if CountryX does not exist before a certain date, having the information presented in the article would be excessive and redundant.

For example, Russian Empire at the Olympics, the empire ceased to exist in 1917, the infobox indicates it participated in the 1900, 1908 and 1912 Games but why is there a participation timeline till present day? It can't participate beyond 1917 because it does not exist anymore. The article is talking about the country, not the athletes who competed for predecessor or successor teams. There are details in each country's sporting history where we need to confirm first such as for Singapore and New Zealand. I would argue that the 1964 be taken out for Singapore but a separate Singaporean delegation did exist under Malaysia's flag for that year and showing that in the participation timeline gives a bit more information (which should be written in the article about it but currently missing). This is similar to New Zealand, sending a separate delegation as a combined Australasia team (aka a regional team). The nuances are important.

On a side note, I would agree to a single column of Russian Empire at the Olympics, similar to the related appearances in the infobox, namely Soviet Union (1952–1988), Unified Team (1992), Russia (1994–2016), ROC (2020), Individual Neutral Athletes (2024)

Also, if we look at WP:BRD, you boldly added the participation timeline, which I agree to a certain extent, and then I either reverted or edited for some articles. If you disagree with my changes, which are not vandalism or disruptive editing, we then discuss the changes first.

I appreciate this discussion as I think the table is a net positive addition, especially countries with some history changes (such as changes to flag, IOC code etc etc). We can bring this to Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics for further discussion and a wider consensus. ~ JASWE (talk) 02:38, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Here is a summary for others regarding the issue with the Russian Empire (RU1) and the Russian Federation (RUS):

• The problem with Russia is that the IOC does not maintain its databases consistently. Several years ago, the Russian Empire (RU1) was listed separately; however, for some time now, Russia's participations from 1900 to 1912 have been attributed to the Russian Federation (RUS) (see e.g. medal table of 1912 on olympics.com: link).
• In summary, the IOC (for some time now) does not view the Russian Federation as a direct successor state, but rather as the same entity under a different form of government, which is, of course, not actually historical tenable.

The purpose of this participation table is to illustrate this continuity in some way. However, the specific situations must be assessed differently depending on the country or team.

@Justanothersgwikieditor
I consider a single column to be a perfectly adequate compromise for the Russian Empire; however, Finland's participation from 1908 to 1912 should also be included, given that the athletes—despite being citizens of the Russian Empire—were permitted to compete for a different team representing a part of the country.

All in all, the discussion should indeed be discussed more broadly. Miria~01 (talk) 10:14, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

@Miria~01, you had not explained your contradiction which I pointed out. I had chosen Russian Empire as an example as I thought it will be a straight forward example. Ended up not as straight forward as it is. I would agree with Finland at the Olympics is similar to New Zealand at the Olympics. To avoid confusion, for Russian Empire, we can keep the single column as said while remarks being added at both Russian Empire and Finland instead, similar to Singapore and Malaysia (based on this version, for Singapore, for Malaysia).

I will start the discussion at WikiProject Olympics.

@Mkess300, I would appreciate that you follow BRD and not starting an edit war. ~ JASWE (talk) 02:11, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

I actually agree with @Miria~01, there should be a continuity in the timeline table because when one country merges with another one, then the athletes from that country participated together with the athletes from the other country as a single team. Also when the countries split into independent teams then the athletes participate in their own team. So this other country should appear because it shares a common past, for example: Czechoslovakia was made of Czechia and Slovakia before they splitted, also British West Indies, Russian Empire and Soviet Union, Australasia, British India (that was splitted to India and Pakistan and Bangladesh splitted from Pakistan), and MALAYSIA (that was made of Malaya, North Borneo and Singapore in 1964 before Singapore gained independence). Mkess300 (talk) 09:12, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

The original purpose of these "timelines" is being overlooked in the confusion evident in the overall discussion. The original approach was for the purpose of illustrating when an Olympic team splits into multiple teams over time. In other words, these timelines are NOT regular tables.

Think of each row of these timelines as being a simplified rectangular map of a geographic area. The first row, for example, for Russia or for Yugoslavia, is one unbroken area. In subsequent years, this “map” splits and shifts as other geographic areas (countries) split away. In fact, you could substitute an actual map for each row, with the actual country boundaries on each year’s map. The rectangular row is just a simplified map. It’s not meant to be an ordinary table. Jeff in CA (talk) 09:17, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

Edit : remove my trailing sentence when I reorganised my reply. ce slightly for a sentence