Talk:Alina Zagitova

Alina Zagitovaəs nationality and ethnicity is manipulated by well connected Russian editors of Wikipedia. Alina is not a Russian. Her father is Tatar, and Tatar isn't Russian. She is Tatar

Russian trolls and KGB are changing this article and confusing readers by indicating Alina as a Russian. But Alina isn't Russian. Russian is a term that refers to ethnicity. But Alina's father is Tatar. She has a Tatar surname. Therefore, she is of Tatar descent and of Tatar ethnicity. Russian trolls and KGB guys are changing her ethnicity to Russian, and by doing this harming the accuracy of the article and ethnicity of Alina. By doing these, these Russian editors are also insulting Tatars, they are changing Tatars to Russian. Tatar and Russian are different ethnic groups, even tough both are citizens of the Russian Federation. But Tatars are not Russians. They are of Turkic ethnic group, so is Alina. Dear Wikipedia editors, pls don't allows Russian trolls and Russian origin Wikipedia editors and administrators to manipulate this page and provide inaccurate information on Alina. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.19.215.154 (talk) 12:44, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

French is also a term that refers to ethnicity, yet, nobody is writing that Kylian Mbappé is a French football player of Cameroon descent. He is commonly referred to as a French football player, clearly indicating the country of his origin. Similar information should be provided about Zagitova's country of origin. 178.46.215.6 (talk) 23:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Alina Zagitova is not a Russian. Her father is Tatar, and Tatar isn't Russian

Russian trolls are changing this article and adding incorrect reference that Alina Zagitova is a Russian. But Alina isn't Russian. Her father is of Tatar ethnicity. This makes her Tatar, not Russian. Russian is a term that refers to Russian ethnic group, and doesn't include other ethnic groups living in Russia. So I call upon editors to halt the Russian trolls and manipulation here, and to refer to Alina with her correct nationality and ethnicity. Her ethnicity / nationality is Tatar not Russian. Everyone pls hear. I am going to change this and change her nationality to Tatar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.19.215.154 (talk) 14:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Country represented in infobox

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus is that the 'country' field in the infobox should indicate Russia and not OAR. --RL0919 (talk) 22:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

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Due to some editin conflict I have started a WP:rfc, rfc category may not be the best selection feel free to change it. I feel that both the Russian flag and the  Olympic Athletes from Russia should be listed in the articles infobox since her birthplace is already listed as Russia and since the IOC ruled that Russia wouldn’t be officially represented in the 2018 Winter Games. Sincerely TucsonDavidU.S.A. 09:06, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

References

• Russia The "Olympic Athletes from Russia" indicates that those athletes are, indeed, from Russia, but not there from the Russian Olympic Committee. The OAR "flag" is thus a placeholder, at best, and is not a continuing agency or nation. Collect (talk) 16:26, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

• Comment (summoned by bot) Agree that Russian flag and "athletes from Russia" should be used. The infobox as it currently appears, as I write this, is fine. Coretheapple (talk) 16:04, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
• "Russia' Agree with Collect. (summoned by bot) L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 19:19, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
• Only the Olympic Athletes from Russia flag should be displayed. It seems odd to see the Russian flag when immediately following is the notation that Russia was not recognized. While she was born in Russia, the flag is displayed under country represented, not country of birth. The Olympic Athletes from Russia may indeed be a placeholder; nevertheless, it is the placeholder of this athlete's participation. The entire Olympics mess relating to the Russian athlete participation is certainly awkward--thanks to everyone's contributions and happy editing.Horst59 (talk) 22:17, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

  "Russia" can't be removed from the infobox anyway. Alina Zagitova has represented Russia in many international competitions, like the World Junior Figure Skating Championships, the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating, the European Figure Skating Championships, etc. The “Olympic Athletes from Russia” name was only used at the 2018 Olympics. --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:00, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

  As I view the page with the Russia only flag, I concur that current display is the correct display. It clarifies matters well and makes much sense.Horst59 (talk) 03:54, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

• Only the Olympic Athletes from Russia flag should be displayed. How can one say that she 'represented' a country which officially did not participate as a national team. Pincrete (talk) 16:33, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
• Both flags (with current text) I realise now that the infobox relates to her whole career, not simply the 2018 Olympics, and therefore if she represented Russia in previous events, it is apt that this should be in the infobox - but, as now - made clear that the 2018 Olympics were under the Olympic, rather than national flag. Pincrete (talk) 16:42, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
• Only Russia. The parameter is called "Country represented". "Olympic Athletes from Russia" is not a country name. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:49, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
• The parameter is called "Country represented". "Olympic Athletes from Russia" is not a country name. Only Russia. --PlatonPskov (talk) 21:11, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
• Only Russia. OAR is not a country. She has her olympic profile below near theend of the infobox where it's correctly stated that she represented OAR at the olympics. Karl.i.biased (talk) 10:49, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
• Only Russia Summoned by a bot - agree with the rational that the OAR is not needed because OAR is not a country. Comatmebro (talk) 05:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
• Russia The "Olympic Athletes from Russia" are a nonexistent entity created as a placeholder by the IOC to provide for exceptions to their ban on Russian athletes. It was blamed on the pattern established by the state sponsored doping program and the Russian Olympic Committee was banned, so the the state, Russia, couldn't show its flag, essentially meaning Putin couldn't get the publicity ego stroke of seeing Russia cross the finish line first (and get disqualified years later as seen on the back pages of the newspaper). Zagitova's citizenship has not changed, her place of birth in Russia cannot change. Trackinfo (talk) 06:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Why would you remove a link to her father's wikipedia entry?

Gilesmhudson

Because it linked to russian WP, which didn't help me at all. I don't actually know if there's any WP policy or guideline on linking to other language WP:s in the article text, but it's very rarely done and I don't see why it's helpful here, russian speakers would find it via ru-WP, but to the general english-WP reader it's just annoying. I have no objection to a redlink, of course. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:23, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

See H:ILL#Inline links and MOS:SIS. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:44, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Redrose64. Per H:ILL#Inline links I changed it to the third option. I think it's better to have "warning", at least in this case. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:09, 26 February 2018 (UTC)