Wikidata:Requests for comment/Notability policy reform
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Wikidata’s current Notability Policy was drafted in 2013. Since then, the project has grown and the world has changed. We understand Wikidata, what it can do and what its place in the Linked Open Data web is, better. All of this led to discussions about what data should be in Wikidata, what should be in the larger Wikibase Ecosystem and what should maybe go somewhere else entirely. This RfC is meant to create an improved Notability Policy.
Context
[edit]What has changed since the initial drafting of the policy
[edit]- Wikidata has grown to 120 Million Items and 16.000 active editors
- Wikidata has reached social and technical scaling issues (see Wikidata:Requests for comment/Mass-editing policy#Context for additional information)
- The Wikibase Ecosystem has matured, with Wikibase Cloud and Wikibase Suite now being viable alternatives for hosting knowledge graphs that are tightly interconnected with Wikidata
What can we learn from other projects
[edit]Looking at other Notability Policies of other Wikimedia Projects, a few things stood out that we might want to take into account:
- Wikimedia Commons: It clearly calls out the aim of Commons to ground the policy. It also specifically mentions some content not being a good fit for Commons because there are other projects that handle it. It talks very clearly about requiring use of the files or at the very least requires files to be realistically useful for educational purposes.
- German-language Wikipedia: It has de:Wikipedia:Relevanzcheck where people can ask before creating a new article if it would meet notability criteria.
- There is a general theme of requiring reliable, independent, secondary sources.
- There are projects that define notability generally for all topics (like Wikidata does now), while others go deeper into specific notability criteria for specific topics.
The benefits and problems of the current policy
[edit]Based on previous discussions there are a number of positive and negative points to the current policy.
Benefits:
- Small number of criteria: makes it easier to understand and to remember
- Wiggle-room for marginalized knowledge and more: There is benefit to the current vagueness. It gives admins room to make judgement calls.
Problems:
- Differing interpretations of criteria 2: Some people see it as a carte blanche (everything can have an Item); others interpret it much more strictly. Admins report not being able to be consistent even within their own decisions. It is also harder to objectively evaluate than criteria 1 and 3.
- Level of consideration is mismatched: The policy works at the level of individual Items but issues are also (even more so) caused by collection of Items even if every individual one of them is notable. We don’t have good ways to draw boundaries about what from a class we want in Wikidata and what we don’t.
- Enforcement burden: Admins spend a lot of time arguing over the interpretation of and enforcing the policy. People not acting in the best interest of the project create Items to promote themselves, their business, etc, causing more clean-up work for admins.
- Detachment from reuse: Reuse is not really considered in the criteria but reuse is at the core of what Wikidata is about. Additionally, Items get deleted as not notable despite being used in other projects.
Round 1: Questions to determine changes to current policy
[edit]Following are a number of questions that need your input to help draft the new policy.
Questions and discussion that was used to draft the new policy
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We should require reuse or at least the very real potential for reuse[edit]Votes and comments:
Take-away for policy drafting:
We should consider the size of the complete data set when making decisions about individual Items[edit]Votes and comments:
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We should change the wording of criteria 2 to say “can be described” to “is described”[edit]Votes and comments:
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Accompanying text: We should require new Items to have at least the statements required to establish notability[edit]Votes and comments:
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Accompanying text: We should give the Wikibase Ecosystem a more prominent place in the text to explain alternatives to adding data to Wikidata outside the notability criteria[edit]Votes and comments:
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Accompanying text: We should encourage people to flesh out and improve existing Items over adding a lot of new Items[edit]Votes and comments:
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Accompanying text: We should make it explicit that people should not create Items about themselves, their business, etc[edit]Votes and comments:
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Accompanying text: We should link to the Lexeme Notability criteria[edit]Votes and comments:
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Accompanying text: We should encourage people to ask if they are unsure if the Item they want to create is notable, especially if they want to create a lot of new Items.[edit]Votes and comments:
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Process: We should only let registered users create Items[edit]Votes and comments (see also Wikidata talk:Requests for comment/Mass-editing policy#Restrict entity creation to logged-in users):
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Process: We should take the intent of the Item creator into account when making decisions about notability[edit]Example: Someone gaming the system by creating several Items and connecting them in order to fulfil notability criteria 3, even if the Items would otherwise not be notable Votes and comments:
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Process: We should let WikiProjects narrow down (but not expand) the general notability guidelines for their area[edit]Votes and comments:
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Round 1: Other questions and discussion
[edit]Questions and discussion that was used to draft the new policy
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How can we rely more on tooling and automation for notability checking and processing?[edit]
Do you have additional suggestions for how to tighten/clarify criteria 2?[edit]
Is there anything we missed?[edit]
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Round 2: Context
[edit]Context for initial policy proposal
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Below is the proposal for the new policy based on the discussion in round 1. Please add your votes, questions and comments below. There are office hours on the following days to talk more about the policy if you are interested (though the binding votes and discussion need to happen in this RfC): The calls will happen at https://meet.jit.si/WikidataNotability |
Round 2: Policy proposal
[edit]The initial policy proposal text
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Wikidata is a knowledge graph, providing general purpose data to the Wikimedia projects and the world at large. Wikidata’s data is intended to provide a basic understanding of the world for humans and machines. This policy defines which entities can be described in Wikidata. An item is acceptable if and only if it meets at least one of the three criteria below:
New items must have the statements necessary to be clearly identified or sitelinks that show that they meet at least one of the above criteria within 24 hours. Creating items about yourself, your close relatives, your business and other entities you have a conflict of interest with is not permitted. Please consider[edit]Wikidata’s data is maintained by a community of people like you. Please be considerate of their time and effort. This is important for the long-term health of the project. Before creating a lot of new Items:
Knowledge equity[edit]We do acknowledge that certain knowledge has been and is being structurally marginalized. This leads to less coverage in reliable sources and therefore an increased barrier to demonstrating notability. In our effort to make more knowledge accessible to everyone, we take this limitation into consideration when making decisions about the notability of an entity. Options besides Wikidata[edit]If your data does not fit Wikidata’s notability criteria, we want to help you find the perfect home for your contributions. Wikibase Cloud and Wikibase Suite might be a better fit for your data. Together with Wikidata, these form the Wikibase Ecosystem, a network of specialized communities, each collecting and maintaining data for the world in their area of focus. Data in any Wikibase instance becomes part of the Linked Open Data Web and accessible worldwide. In addition you have more flexibility in how to model your data and who gets to edit it. Visit wikiba.se to explore which platform best suits your needs, and check out our showcase to see examples of what other communities have built. Other entity types[edit]This notability policy covers Items. The notability criteria for Lexemes can be found at Wikidata:Lexicographical data/Notability. |
Round 2: Votes, questions and discussion
[edit]Discussion about the initial policy proposal
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I have been working on GLAM projects in a decolonisation context, bringing collections online and helping surface forgotten, omitted, or unidentified Indigenous people from institutional holdings. In parallel, I have worked on music-industry identifier policies outside Wikidata. From both perspectives, I find the new requirement of having at least one external identifier extremely problematic. The music industry is dealing with similar reforms, and on similar quantities of nodes like Wikidata, and the proposed changed are far more gradual. In music, currently about half a billion sound recordings are available on various platforms, and there are about 2 billion entities that must be connected to them with PIDs to ensure that the music can be legally used and paid. And while there is money in it, the introduction is far more gradual because of the lack of access to registering PIDs. Over the past 5–6 years, Wikidata has done something remarkable: it has de facto provided a low-barrier, free persistent identifier through QIDs. These QIDs often serve as public nodes where knowledge can start to accumulate, long before a person, object, or community receives a formal PID elsewhere. In many cases, the Wikidata item is precisely what later enables proper identification and the issuing of an external PID. A Wikidata QID is like a condensation point, a particle in the air, that will later attract enough water particles to make a raindrop. Maintaining PIDs is expensive. The practical entropy of VIAF alone demonstrates that cheap, accessible authority control outside Wikidata is often illusory. If you live in an affluent and inclusive country like Sweden or the Netherlands, identifying, for example, colonial informants or marginalised historical actors may quickly lead to a national GLAM institution issuing a PID. But even in much of Europe this is not the case, and even in the EU I know of countries where access to PIDs via GLAM institutes (far the most frequent case) is politicisied and discriminatory. PIDs are typically issued according to notability criteria defined by state or commercial actors. Entire communities fall outside these systems. On the other hand, talking about self-promotion, PR agencies will quickly learn that all they need for a QID is to buy an ISNI and use it for verification. There is a growing body of literature showing how Wikidata has democratised access to authority infrastructures. A think that the sunset criteria and the quality criteria should be much reworked. For example, any item that, after three years, has not resulted in high-quality statements or an alternative PID maintained outside Wikidata could be deleted. But in many decolonisation and community-driven contexts, years are needed between the moment new knowledge surfaces — perhaps through a researcher or a Commons upload — and the identification of corroborating sources, claims, and structured statements. And this is not one day. I would also welcome a more dedicated, organised space for highlighting new knowledge elements that require corroboration. That would strengthen quality control without discouraging early-stage documentation. In my experience, many problematic items were created by half-baked bots or mass imports from systems like VIAF — which itself is currently collapsing under inconsistencies and outdated data. Or by people without any experience on editing Wikidata. Quality indicators could be more nuanced than simply requiring a sitelink or an external PID. For example: the presence of multilingual descriptions, a minimum number of coherent and well-modelled properties, or evidence of structured use across statements. These are better indicators of whether an item is becoming a real node of knowledge. It would be better to have policies on curatorial policies not on entries themselves. Entries created by human editors who have a track record of having created high-quality entries in the past should be trusted with their judgement. And bots should be much more thoroughly vetted. I think that poor curatorial workflows result in poor quality items, and not self-promotion or the lack of notability of the subject. Who are we to say that a person surfacing from marginalised part of society is not significant? We can however say that a page has no prospect of promoting the accumulation of open knowledge, or that an editor/bot is not yet comopetent enough to create good pages. New entries should be encouraged — but paired with strict and realistic expectations that they mature into properly structured knowledge nodes. As it stands, the proposed policy feels much stricter than many identifier regimes in the music industry, where billions of PIDs determine whose music is heard and paid out, and where there is a monetary incentive to improve the data. I will try to join the roundtables, although unfortunately the proposed times are quite challenging for me. 08:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Daniel Antal
Eligible wikis[edit]Wiktionary[edit]The proposal like the old policy Wikidata:Notability both lack wiktionary in the long list Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikinews, Wikibooks, Wikidata, Wikispecies, Wikiversity, or Wikimedia Commons. Wiktionary should be listed although certain namespaces including ns ZERO are excluded. Templates, help pages, appendix pages, etc ultimately should be fully accepted. Taylor 49 (talk) 19:04, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
Non-WMF wikis[edit]There should be a subpoint clarifying that technical details of wikis (category, template, modul, namespace, ...) are in scope ONLY for WMF wikis. Taylor 49 (talk) 19:04, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
GLAM topics on Outreach-Wiki[edit]Somewhat parallel to the marginalized knowledge discussion above, I have made a proposal for a representation of GLAM topics on Outreach-Wiki.--Pharos (talk) 17:37, 13 April 2026 (UTC) |
Round 2: Make Wikidata:Self-promotion a policy
[edit]Discussion about making the essay about self-promotion a policy. It seems at this time the answer is no. For the new policy proposal the wording was tweaked to take the input into account.
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Wikidata:Self-promotion is currently an essay. To be referenced in the new policy it would need to be elevated to policy. Do you agree with making it a policy?
Thank you everyone for the input so far on this. Based on the comments I see the following ways forward:
What is people's preference? Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:10, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
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Round 2: Marginalized knowledge
[edit]Discussions related to the impact of a new policy on marginalized knowledge. The biggest outcome is expanding criteria 2 to cover archival records.
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There are still remaining concerns around the implications of the draft for marginalized knowledge. This section is to explore ways to improve the draft in this regard. Suggestions for improving the wording in the draft to reduce the impact on marginalized knowledge while maintaining more clarity about what is notable[edit]
Input for supporting admins in decisions around marginalized knowledge[edit]The current draft has a carve-out for marginalized knowledge. Admins have asked for support on this matter when making notability decisions. Please add your ideas for what this could look like here.
Proposal for new criterion based on archival records[edit]I would propose the following, as an additional subcriterion under clearly identified conceptual or material entity: At least one archival record: The subject is associated with an entry in a GLAM catalog or other scholarly reference work. This can be demonstrated by the use of appropriate property statements such as directly connect the subject to a distinct entry in archives, oral histories, collections, or exhibitions.--Pharos (talk) 23:12, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
Multi-sensory knowledges[edit]I suspect this isn't quite the right place, but I just wanted to flag multi-sensory data as an area that Wikidata in general is very limited, but there is huge potential. However, despite taste, smell and touch being innately human, there's very little listed here. To give an example - smell-related data has expanded over the past two years, but it is dominated by perfumery - because there are many external catalogues for perfumes, but not for more everyday smells (even though we know they exist). Similarly for taste; haptic data is the most scarce. Whilst I understand there are needs for Wikidata to alter, I would really encourage thought to be given to other types of knowledge that we would wish to include (to reflect the world) in the future. |
Round 2: External identifiers: When do they support notability and when do they not
[edit]As pointed out in the discussion a core part of the new policy are external identifiers. Wikidata has over 10.000 of them by now. Some of them should support the notability of an Item and some should not. We currently do not have explicit criteria or processes for how to decide when a Property should be instance of (P31)Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316) or instance of (P31)Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320). This would be a requirement though for putting a new Notability policy into practice. Based on which criteria should we classify a Property into one or the other group?
- as a premise, I would clarify in the policy that, also for identifiers having instance of (P31)Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316), the specific entry that is being used in the item X should contain enough data to identify the subject of item X; otherwise, if the specific entry does not have enough identifying data, that specific entry does not imply notability. With this premise, I start to list a few types of properties that IMHO should generally have instance of (P31)Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316):
- properties with instance of (P31)Wikidata property related to encyclopedias (Q55452870) and subclasses
- with instance of (P31)Wikidata property related to a thesaurus (Q89560413)
- with instance of (P31)Wikidata property for authority control (libraries) (Q96776953) and subclasses
- with instance of (P31)Wikidata property for authority control (academies) (Q107212108);
- properties which should always have instance of (P31)Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320):
- properties with instance of (P31)Wikidata property to identify online accounts (Q105388954)
- properties for community-written websites (e.g. OpenLibrary, IMDB etc.) for which I don't find a specific property-marker as of now.
- I am honestly unsure how to deal with hugely-used IDs like ISBN-13 (P212), ISBN-10 (P957), DOI (P356) but surely saying that they always imply notability would be very dangerous; however, saying that they do not imply notability could lead to the mass-deletions of millions of items ... as of now I don't have a good solution in mind. --Epìdosis 11:07, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
- For example, property GND ID falls under Wikidata property related to a thesaurus. A data object with this property has been considered notable for years. I certainly use this myself. But nevertheless, you must ask: What rules exist within the Integrated Authority File and also within other authority records for creating an identifier? Because this isn't entirely clear for all records. --Gymnicus (talk) 13:58, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
- we need to remember wikipedia is a community project, and sites like IMDB get more oversight than a small wikipedia. Often items that appear in a Wikipedia list can be fully fleshed out on a community site. Do we have a property that connects WD items to WP lists. While buildings often have national registers, objects and creative works don't. As for ISBNs given even minor publishers get issued large blocks, their presence is no guarantee of much. I'd work on the principle that external IDs give notability unless explicitly recorded otherwise Vicarage (talk) 13:09, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Vicarage IMDB don't imply notability is not so bad, since a person in it could be a structural need for a movie. As for book, my cut for notability is if a work as been self-plublished or not. Publisher will often create a ID in their national library, making their author notable.
- That kind of exclude most of self-publisher work, but my system is not perfect, as it will imply that all article in a newspaper are notable, which I don't agree. Fralambert (talk) 23:06, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
- Declaring traditionally (not self-published) works to be notable seems like an eminently reasonable policy for books, as such books presumably have to make it through some form of editorial review; at the very least I'd consider anything more than a few decades old (say, anything pre-2000) to be notable, as such books are highly unlikely to be self-promotional (most self-promotion is done by self-published writers to begin with). A full record of books, at least traditionally published ones, which can be searched by such things as publisher, publication date, genre, etc., is something which, to my knowledge, does not exist (Worldcat comes close, but doesn't quite meet my needs, as it's focused specifically on library records, and searching it isn't as easy as querying Wikidata; ISFDB comes closer but only covers certain genres; others are usually either missing too many books to be useful for my purposes or have poor search functions); I've long wanted a site where I can search something like "books published in paperback in 1977" or "all books published by [insert publisher here]" or "every mystery novel from 1943" or the like, and Wikidata would be ideally suited for this purpose. I normally stay out of policy discussions but I feel strongly enough on this issue to post here, seeing that I mostly edit in the field of books, especially older ones; if we exclude books that are not held in national libraries, for example, we then lose such use cases as finding how many books a specific publisher published in a given year or comparing how many books were published in a given genre over the course of a span of years since the data will be incomplete, and thus inaccurate.
- I'll also mention that ISBNs weren't universally in use until sometime in the 70s and many libraries didn't stock paperbacks during the early decades of that format's existence, so some notable books from the 50s, 60s, and early 70s may not have associated ISBNs or library identifiers. TenebrousFox (talk) 08:32, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
- Internet Speculative Fiction Database (Q2629164) is an interesting case. Its clearly a community resource, and can be astonishingly comprehensive. A search for "Journey Planet (Q105759665)", which a self-published SF fanzine, notable in its field, and has en:WP and WD entries, returns 598 records, as someone has lovingly recorded every article, and every piece of art work. Yet "Attitude (Q115888549)", another important fanzine from 20 years ago, has no entries in ISDFB, and a WD entry because I thought it worthy. ISFDB has multiple identifiers here , but they do not cover all its categories. Fancyclopedia (Q42964695) has an external identifier here, and covers both fanzines, but also refers to the most obscure single page sheets distributed to 100 people. I've no idea how we'd provide consistency of coverage if we apply rigid rules on identifiers, or respond someone argues that a fanzine book review's ISFDB presence equates to an academic journal DOI for a paper. I've been adding fanzines to WD, but my criteria is rather arbitrary, they should have scanned copies online, so the entry has some body.
- In lots of fields a WD enthusiast can push the boundaries a long way from the norm, but others, less enthusiastic, can force deletion. Fundamentally, notability is hugely variable in the outside world, and is likely to be so in WD. Individual notability can always be challenged, perhaps it should be considered for a body of work, like 1000 SF fanzines, being useful as a whole and so notable. Vicarage (talk) 11:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
- Are we certain that having an ISBN implies notability? There are tons of self-published ebooks with ISBNs; declaring them all notable simply by virtue of having an ISBN opens the project up to a lot of self-promotional nonsense. Omphalographer (talk) 01:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
- It's at least verifiable that a given ISBN can be connected with a real-life print, audio, or ebook. If the item isn't notable the ISBN doesn't make it notable, but is one more way to determine that the publication in question isn't a total fiction. Arlo Barnes (talk) 19:20, 17 June 2026 (UTC)
I have asked our data analyst to check the current state of coverage for instance of (P31)Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316) and instance of (P31)Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320). The analysis is available in this Google spreadsheet and has some additional info like how many Items the Property is used on etc. You can make a copy and play around with it if you want. I have also created basic Listeria reports at Wikidata:Notability/External identifiers for all 3 categories. What this tells me is that we have a ton of Properties that are not classified and if we want better automated tooling around determining notability we need to get the coverage up. What is blocking that currently? Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 11:21, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- @Lydia Pintscher (WMDE): thanks very much for the Google spreadsheet, this is very useful. I 101% agree on the conclusion "we have a ton of Properties that are not classified and if we want better automated tooling around determining notability we need to get the coverage up". In my opinion, the reason why the coverage is so scarse is that we effectively miss any list of criteria about how to apply this two markers (and also what to do in case of disagreements about the already applied ones ... I do not remember as of now disputes on this topic, but they might of course happen in the future), apart from common sense. And common sense might be enough to solve a fair percentage of cases, but I think that in at least half of them a small set of criteria is inevitably necessary. Just as an example, out of the first five external IDs by number of uses Google Knowledge Graph ID (P2671) (7.9 M uses) reasonably does not imply notability, SIMBAD ID (P3083) (8.1 M uses, 3.27% with sitelinks) implies notability (note: potentially at least 9 M other values could be imported), PubMed publication ID (P698) (32.1 M uses, 0.06%) DOI (P356) (28.9 M uses, 0.23%) PMC publication ID (P932) (6.6 M uses, 0.09%) are unspecified ... and I am unsure if there is consensus about the choice to be made. Epìdosis 12:56, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- @Lydia Pintscher (WMDE): User:Epìdosis/highlight identifiers notability.js just created (with the help of Claude); it clearly shows in an item which IDs imply notability (green) and which not (red). Epìdosis 08:04, 1 August 2026 (UTC) P.S. I have cleaned up Wikidata:WikiProject Properties/Participants so it can be used as
{{Ping project}}(until 7+ new users subscribe to it, cf. phab:T200350 + phab:T148154). --Epìdosis 08:56, 1 August 2026 (UTC)- I have used my gadget to discover some tens of relatively easy cases and mark them; so now the numbers are a bit down, I put here a query for reference (https://w.wiki/T3ud); as of now, out of 10454 external IDs, the results are 660 properties do not imply notability (6%), 1742 properties suggest notability (17%) and 8052 properties are not classified (77%). Epìdosis 17:06, 2 August 2026 (UTC)
- Currently, adding these is a matter of individual user decisions rather than community decisions. That is why I am unsure how meaningful this gadget and statistics actually is. For example, the property Davis Cup player ID until 2025 (archived) is marked as Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability. This is understandable. After all, in most versions of Wikipedia, national team players are considered notable, and every Davis Cup player is a national team player. On the other hand, the property World Athletics athlete ID is marked as Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability, too. Many of the athletes listed there are certainly notable for Wikidata, but by no means all of them. Consequently, this criterion must either be removed from the list, or the links must still be individually verified in every case.
- I actually touched on this earlier myself, that I see issues with authority data. For outsiders like me, it isn't clear why one entity receives an identifier while another doesn't. Take the sports club SC Tegeler Forst, for example. It has a GND identifier. In contrast, the club Q15431372 does not. On what basis is this decided? And the far more important question, how do we handle such ambiguous situations? --Gymnicus (talk) 11:50, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
- I have used my gadget to discover some tens of relatively easy cases and mark them; so now the numbers are a bit down, I put here a query for reference (https://w.wiki/T3ud); as of now, out of 10454 external IDs, the results are 660 properties do not imply notability (6%), 1742 properties suggest notability (17%) and 8052 properties are not classified (77%). Epìdosis 17:06, 2 August 2026 (UTC)
- @Lydia Pintscher (WMDE): User:Epìdosis/highlight identifiers notability.js just created (with the help of Claude); it clearly shows in an item which IDs imply notability (green) and which not (red). Epìdosis 08:04, 1 August 2026 (UTC) P.S. I have cleaned up Wikidata:WikiProject Properties/Participants so it can be used as
- I open a new point for a related question: can obsolete IDs (cf. phab:T306761) imply notability? If an ID implies notability and then it becomes unavailable (website shut down, not archived or only partially archived in the Wayback Machine) what do we do with items based solely on this source? I don't have a good answer as of now, but I think this issue is relevant enough to be discussed here. --Epìdosis 21:43, 11 August 2026 (UTC)
- I think yes - the Wikidata entry might be more valuable as a record of what the originating site said, even if it is no longer available. That said it leaves the data less verifiable so it's not a good long-term situation, hopefully some other identifier becomes available as a replacement. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:20, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
Round 3: Context
[edit]Below is the revised proposal for the new policy based on the feedback on the first proposal. Please add your votes, questions and comments below.
Before reading the new proposal, I encourage everyone to read User:Bovlb/maintainability. Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 07:38, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
Changes from the first proposal:
- Added Wiktionary to criteria 1 project list based on request.
- Added a sentence to criteria 1 to indicate that the presence of a Wikisource index page URL (P1957) statement can make an Item notable based on the request of Wikisourcerers.
- Tweaked criteria 2.1 to add archival records based on the suggestion by Pharos and resulting discussion. I didn’t make it a separate point entirely as it is very close to the existing identifiers point.
- Revised sentence about conflict of interest editing in order to focus on prohibiting self-promotion and commercial marketing editing. Those seem to be the most egregious offenders, especially recently, creating a lot of work for admins while clearly not contributing in the interest of Wikidata.
Round 3: Policy proposal
[edit]Wikidata is a knowledge graph, providing general purpose data to the Wikimedia projects and the world at large. Wikidata is intended to provide data for a basic understanding of the world for humans and machines.
This policy defines which entities can be described in Wikidata.
An item is acceptable if and only if it meets at least one of the three criteria below:
- It contains at least one valid sitelink to a page on Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikinews, Wikibooks, Wikidata, Wikispecies, Wikiversity, Wikimedia Commons or Wiktionary.
- <most of subpoints of criteria 1 remain unchanged except for subpoint point 5>
- 5: On Wikisource, items for main namespace pages, Author pages, Translation pages, and Portal pages are valid, along with items for namespaces that exist on other Wikimedia sites (Category, Project...). Pages in the Index and Page namespaces are not considered valid. Subpages of main namespace pages (for example, individual chapters) are not considered valid unless they are written by separate authors, could be considered stand-alone works, or have been translated separately. Additionally the presence of a Wikisource index page URL (P1957) statement indicates notability.
- It refers to an instance of a clearly identified conceptual or material entity that is described using serious and publicly available references. The minimum criteria:
- At least one external identifier or archival record:
- The subject is associated with one or more identifiers that are assigned or curated by an independent authority, and that meaningfully distinguish the subject from others. Identifiers that are self-assigned, or can be obtained without editorial review (such as typical social-media profiles) are not sufficient on their own.
- The subject is associated with an entry in a GLAM catalog or other scholarly reference work. This can be demonstrated by the use of appropriate statements such as directly connecting the subject to a distinct entry in archives, oral histories, collections, or exhibitions. OR:
- At least one reference, independent from the subject: The subject is the topic of significant, independent coverage in serious and publicly available sources that support a meaningful identification and distinction from others. Routine listings, directory entries or being quoted in an interview about another topic do not constitute significant coverage on their own, and additional independent sources might be required. Self-authored descriptions, and marketing or promotional material are not considered serious and independent sources.
- At least one external identifier or archival record:
- It fulfills a structural need, for example: it is needed to make statements made in other items more useful.
New items must have the statements necessary to be clearly identified or sitelinks that show that they meet at least one of the above criteria within 24 hours.
In order to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, creating an Item about yourself, your close relatives or your business is not permitted. Additionally we do not allow commercial companies to create Items about their clients or their products for marketing purposes. If any of them meet Wikidata’s notability criteria, someone else might create them for you eventually.
Please consider
[edit]Wikidata’s data is maintained by a community of people like you. Please be considerate of their time and effort. This is important for the long-term health of the project. Before creating a lot of new Items:
- Spend some time editing existing Items to get an understanding of data modelling and best practices first. We value quality over quantity.
- Think about where and how your data will be used. If your data is used in a Wikimedia project or another application, chances are higher that it will be kept in good shape long-term and Wikidata’s overall data quality stays high.
- Consider what the complete set of Items would be that you are working on. Wikidata is not the right place to describe all stars in the universe, every human on earth, etc. Narrow it down to a reasonable set of notable entities and discuss with the community in case of any doubt.
- If you intend to create a lot of new Items and are not absolutely sure if they meet the notability criteria, please ask for additional input at Wikidata:Notability/Questions.
- Do not try to game the system. Such efforts are frowned upon and will only lead to your Items being deleted.
Knowledge equity
[edit]We do acknowledge that certain knowledge has been and is being structurally marginalized. This leads to less coverage in reliable sources and therefore an increased barrier to demonstrating notability. In our effort to make more knowledge accessible to everyone, we take this limitation into consideration when making decisions about the notability of an entity.
Options besides Wikidata
[edit]If your data does not fit Wikidata’s notability criteria, we want to help you find the perfect home for your contributions. Wikibase Cloud and Wikibase Suite might be a better fit for your data. Together with Wikidata, these form the Wikibase Ecosystem, a network of specialized communities, each collecting and maintaining data for the world in their area of focus.
Data in any Wikibase instance becomes part of the Linked Open Data Web and accessible worldwide. In addition you have more flexibility in how to model your data and who gets to edit it. Visit wikiba.se to explore which platform best suits your needs, and check out our showcase to see examples of what other communities have built.
Other entity types
[edit]This notability policy covers Items. The notability criteria for Lexemes can be found at Wikidata:Lexicographical data/Notability.
Round 3: Collecting concrete examples
[edit]In order to help everyone better understand the concrete impact of the proposed new policy, let’s collect examples here.
Currently notable but would no longer be notable:
- Q50689460 a dolmen, but was created empty with no sources.
- Q141700881, a self-published book (+ author and editions), created by its author probably using an LLM-based tool. It could be considered notable under the current criterion 2 because it has an ISBN, publisher, and publication date. Under the proposed wording, it would likely not be considered notable because its identifiers (self-published ISBNs, ORCIDs, and self-deposited DOIs) can be obtained without meaningful editorial review.
Currently not notable but would become notable:
Round 3: Discussion
[edit]- I moved the examples to a separate section as it would have gotten mixed up with the wider discussion (feel free to undo). Regarding the Q50689460 example, somebody has added an external ID since. Independent from whether this makes it notable or not, it raises questions about what happens to items that are already in Wikidata but lack notability according to the new policy. Will they be batch deleted? What if there are items that could be easily given external IDs (for example through Mix'n'Match) but for some reason it hasn't happened yet? Would there be a grace period for non-notable items before deletion? Also, in case we go with this policy, users creating new items without external IDs should be given clear guidance about the possibility of their item being removed. Adam Harangozó (LSE WiR) (talk) 17:54, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- Also, I think it would be important to deploy a policy like this with care for research data, meaning not to scare away researchers and institutions who come here to share open data (and whom we are otherwise trying to lure in). Ideally this would mean that there is easily findable and detailed information for adding research data or metadata, helping them decide when to choose Wikidata and when Wikibase. But this would only make sense if Wikibase would have lower entry barriers, for example researchers wouldn't need to create an ontology from scratch but would at least have the option to easily copy a basic structure from Wikidata. Otherwise what this achieves is deterring researchers from using both Wikidata and Wikibase. Adam Harangozó (LSE WiR) (talk) 18:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- @Adam Harangozó (LSE WiR) I added this exemple because it was proposed in RfD yesterday and the vestion as at this stage when propose. While a dolmen (Q101659) could generally fulfil notability, this item didn't have source at all when propose. There is also hown we should treat a RfD because someone dumped a database in 2016 with mostly no source. Fralambert (talk) 21:49, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- Also, I think it would be important to deploy a policy like this with care for research data, meaning not to scare away researchers and institutions who come here to share open data (and whom we are otherwise trying to lure in). Ideally this would mean that there is easily findable and detailed information for adding research data or metadata, helping them decide when to choose Wikidata and when Wikibase. But this would only make sense if Wikibase would have lower entry barriers, for example researchers wouldn't need to create an ontology from scratch but would at least have the option to easily copy a basic structure from Wikidata. Otherwise what this achieves is deterring researchers from using both Wikidata and Wikibase. Adam Harangozó (LSE WiR) (talk) 18:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- Many thanks for putting together a 3rd draft of the policy proposal, Lydia!
- I'd appreciate clarification on what we (the Wikidata community) mean by archival record. For example, I know that all of the information in this database is based on archival records because I worked on this project for four years in my previous job. Very few of these records are online, but as we've discussed in round 2 that isn't necessarily a problem since most archives cannot afford to digitize all of their material, and we want to be inclusive of marginalized groups and their histories. The way I read point 2.1.2 in the 3rd round policy proposal suggests that all 2,491 people in this database are notable. Many of these people would not be considered notable under the existing policy because they can't "be described using serious and publicly available references" (emphasis on plural is mine), and don't make other Wikidata items more useful. Under the revised policy, the word "references" is followed by "The minimum criteria is: At least one external identifier or archival record". In this case, each of these entries is associated with a "distinct entry in an archive," even though most of the entries are for ordinary people and their families who the FBI decided to arrest during World War II.
- As a more specific example, I had a really hard time finding more sources for Ichida Heikichi (市田平吉), a fisherman, aside from what's already in the database. All I could find is a death notice from 1962 without enough context to confirm that this is the same person, especially since the last archival documentation of him states that he was repatriated to Japan after the war. Are we okay with having these kinds of difficult-to-verify items in Wikidata?
- To be clear, I am not asking this because I want to import everything from this database into Wikidata. I don't work for that organization anymore, so it's not my decision to make. I am asking this question so we can be sure that this is what the new policy should mean. If we decide that's exactly how this policy is to be interpreted, great! But if it's not, I think we should be aware of this reading of the policy and adapt accordingly, perhaps by changing the OR at the end of 2.1.2 to AND. Just a thought, Mcampany (talk) 21:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- I can move the example up to the "Currently not notable but would become notable" section if desired, I just wasn't sure if it would make sense for it to be there without the additional context I've provided. Mcampany (talk) 21:16, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- @Mcampany: Thank you for pointing this out. To make sure I understand correctly: You're basically saying that in the shuffle we moved from requiring several references to requiring only one? Good catch. That was not my intention, but then I'm also not sure we're actually requiring several right now...
- What do others think? Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 09:41, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- I don't think we are presently requiring more than one (good) reference, and in my opinion one (good) reference is enough to create an item. Epìdosis 12:59, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, exactly. The current notability policy reads "serious and publicly available references", and the presence of an "s" at the end of "references" suggests (to me) that an item needs more than one source to be notable. Whether this actually happens in current practice is debatable, but I think that using the phrase "at least one" in the new notability policy suggests that only one external identifier, archival record, or independent reference is required. I have no particular opinions about this, but I wanted to flag that difference since it seems like a major change. Mcampany (talk) 13:37, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- I generally consider that one good reference is sufficient to pass the source criterion, notwithstanding the "s". Best practice is to have multiple independent references, of course. There's sometimes a tension between evaluating the bare minimum requirement and encouraging people to follow best practice, and I get feedback that these are not always distinguished well. Bovlb (talk) 15:39, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
Comment Lydia, I appreciate the time and effort you're putting into this. However, I think that there are several things that still need to be improved:
- On the "serious" criteria: the section on "At least one reference, independent from the subject" could benefit from a more neutral language. What constitutes "serious" publications can vary among geographies and cultural contexts, so it would be important to look for more objective ways to establish the particular quality that you're referring to.
- On the quotation criteria: "Being quoted in an interview about another topic do not constitute significant coverage on their own" is an unclear sentence and hard to understand by a non-native English speaker (such as myself). An environmental defender will very unlikely be directly interviewed about themselves, but rather they'll always be interviewed about the topic that they work on -- the sentence should read: "Being quoted in an interview about a topic unrelated to the area of work or activism of the person itself".
- On the "additional independent sources": for cases such as the one I'm describing (an env. defender) you'll have ten interviews that might quote more or less the same, independently of the relevance or importance of the person and the news outlet publishing the interview. I'd suggest also establishing a min./max. of sources to be provided to determine the relevance, otherwise you'll end up with five links that say more or less the same about a person.
- On the sources list: the sources list is very skewed to traditional, Western media, such as scholarly reference work, GLAM institutions, and other "serious and publicly available sources" (i.e., the press). Consider adding an exception for marginalized knowledge that clearly allows for specialized media in any format considered to be a significant authority in the matter (i.e., YouTube channels).
- On the acknowledgement of marginalized knowledge: this is the most problematic statement of all of them. Who is the "we" talking here? Who takes the limitation into consideration? And what's the criteria? This needs way more work; the limitations & exceptions criteria needs to be crystal clear, the procedure has to be clear, it has to be clear who is the "we" that takes that limitation into consideration, and it needs to add clear procedures to fix and repair the issue if marginalized knowledge is erased without good justification. Just saying that we acknowledge something and not offer any avenues for repair is not enough.
- Consider adding a section on revision of the policy after it has been implemented for six months. I've made this comment back in the day and it was ignored, but I think it's important to actually evaluate the impacts of the policy to finally establish it.
- cheers,Scann (talk) 15:45, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
- @Scann: Thank you.
- Do you (or anyone else) have concrete wording suggestions? I'm generally happy to adapt but stuck on how to improve this.
- As for your last point: @Mariana Fossatti (WK?) has been working on this and will hopefully share it here soon. Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:01, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- @Lydia Pintscher (WMDE): Probably it is User:Mariana Fossatti (WK?)/Wikidata Knowledge Equity Guidelines published on July 19. Epìdosis 13:00, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link. It's a thoughtful document, and I added some comments on it's talk page. Bovlb (talk) 04:29, 2 August 2026 (UTC)
- Indeed, I've moved the page here, and also I've added a new section in the discussion for make it easier to find it in this discussion: Wikidata:Requests for comment/Notability policy reform#Knowledge equity guidelines. Thanks @Lydia Pintscher (WMDE), @Scann, @Epìdosis and @Bovlb for your interest and comments! Mariana Fossatti (WK?) (talk) 21:41, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
- @Lydia Pintscher (WMDE): Probably it is User:Mariana Fossatti (WK?)/Wikidata Knowledge Equity Guidelines published on July 19. Epìdosis 13:00, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- "someone else will create them for you eventually" sounds dangerously like an unguaranteeable promise. There are plenty of notable aspects of our world which are not only currently not in Wikidata, but that probably never will be. Along the same lines, "intended to provide a basic understanding of the world" is probably outside the remit of a structured data graph; items document their referents, they don't "understand" them. Arlo Barnes (talk) 19:27, 17 June 2026 (UTC)
- +1 So9q (talk) 17:14, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- @Arlo Barnes: Yeah that's fair. I will adapt these. Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:03, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
Comment The sitelink criteria is too strict for proper interaction with Commons. For many items, such as artworks / artefacts items, there might be only one picture. Take for instance Q134777601. I thus propose to add to criteria 1 "or the file used in image (P18) uses wikidata in its description". Léna (talk) 12:02, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
- @Léna: I am not sure I understand. Are you talking about an Item that is used in a statement on a file on Commons and should therefore be notable? Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:04, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- Yes ! For instance Q139793315. For this artwork we are lucky the museum published an exhibition catalogue, but it is not always the case and Wikidata is used to store the information on the cartel and display it on Commons. It's a shortcut from the "imported from wikimedia commons" source value. Léna (talk) 08:14, 5 August 2026 (UTC)
- @Léna: I am not sure I understand. Are you talking about an Item that is used in a statement on a file on Commons and should therefore be notable? Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:04, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
Comment for this "In order to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, creating an Item about yourself, your close relatives or your business is not permitted. Additionally we do not allow commercial companies to create Items about their clients or their products for marketing purposes."
- In English Wikipedia it's said: "The practice of editing or creating articles about yourself, your family or friends, your organization, your clients, your employers, or your competitors is strongly discouraged." So it is allowed even though discouraged. Why should Wikidata be more strict in this?
- What I would suggest is: ask editors be transparent about their COI edits. Of course they cannot edit items that doesn't meet the notability criteria and if they continue to break the rules they could be banned. If the white hat editing is not permitted here there will be a lot of black hat editing from sock farms anyway so changing the policy may just generate more work for admins. I think its a bad idea to drive the people away who have the knowledge and will to improve the items. I've activated here in November and while I've edited things for my customers I've made plenty of improvements to related items, e.g. corrected (and added missing) translations. There are not that many Finnish Wikidata editors here anyway.
- I also think that the active Wikidata volunteers might occasionally edit for items they have some COI with. So what happens if a volunteer with thousands of edits is get caught about editing their family member's item, say a grandparent? While the editors are mostly anonymous we might not ever know about this but the editors themselves might be feeling quilty about breaking the rules and as a result they may want to stop contributing.
- Another idea: Ask the commercial companies to A) acquire a certificate that allows them to edit and create Wikidata items or B) create xxx meaningful edits from their knowledge area before starting to COI edit.
- Cheers Jjanhone (talk) 18:31, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
- So it could be like this: "In order to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, creating an Item about yourself, your close relatives or your business is allowed only for editors with 150 edits. In the same time they are required to disclose the name of every organization (regardless of legal status) and individual that pays them for contributing to Wikidata." (The latter part is from [2].)
- See also [3]: "Conflict of Interest is broader than paid contribution: e.g. editing the item of your favorite band, about yourself, your friends or rivals, your home town, can all lead to edits with a Conflict of Interest. Such editing in Wikidata is not frowned upon in general, but can indeed be quite helpful: who else but those with a strong interest in a topic would be editing the topic?" Jjanhone (talk) 18:54, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
- @Jjanhone: We landed on prohibited because people said earlier in the discussion that if it is just discouraged it has no meaning.
- What do others think of @Jjanhone's suggestion here? Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:08, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- I had expressed myself similarly like Jjanhone on the subject in one of the earlier sections of the RFC. He has now, of course, articulated it more clearly and I must say that I like the way it is phrased. --Gymnicus (talk) 22:06, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
AND vs OR in criteria 2
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Comment (Repeating an earlier comment because I was the last person to respond to Round 2 before it was collapsed.)
- I like the new wording for identifiers and sources. The proposed phrasing seems to bring them more closely into line with common practice at RfD and AN (requests for undeletion).
- I remain concerned about the change from "AND" to "OR". This seems by far the most significant part of the proposal, and we should be clear about its implications.
- For me, N2 is fundamentally about maintainability. For Wikidata to succeed in the long term, it must be possible for editors to be able to maintain items without relying on the original item creator. That requires both identity (knowing when two records should be merged or kept separate) and sources (allowing information to be verified, updated, and extended). Ensuring both of these is the reason N2 currently uses "AND" rather than "OR".
- Regarding GLAM and archival records, do we have any concrete examples of entities that should be considered notable because of an archival record that would not qualify under the current policy? Bovlb (talk) 21:10, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
- N2 currently doesn't say anything about External identifiers. The only "and" in the current single sentence is for "serious and public" but that is referring to the quality of a reference that could be added. Ainali (talk) 04:26, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- I’ve been reflecting on the various different ways that people understand notability. I think there is a unifying principle behind the policy: the collaboration point, the transition when the baton is passed from the creator to the community.
- Before this point, accurate interpretation of the item relies on information known only to its creator. After it, the item has been sufficiently tied into external or internal resources that other editors can take over its stewardship: verifying, distinguishing, merging, correcting, and extending it.
- Seen in this light, the proposed wording change can be understood as making the collaboration point more explicit. It shifts the emphasis away from an item’s potential to become collaborative and towards demonstrating that it already is. Bovlb (talk) 05:57, 4 July 2026 (UTC)
Comment Firstly, many thanks to Lydia for the great work on this. A couple of points: It's not really clear to me whether for Criterium 2, both sub-criteria "At least one external identifier or archival record" and "At least one reference, independent from the subject" need to be fulfilled. It seems to be the case, but I think there's room for doubt or misinterpretation. I wonder if there's a way to make it a bit clearer. Also, "If your data is used in a Wikimedia project" threw me a bit at first since Wikidata itself is a Wikimedia project, but I guess it's referring to other Wikimedia projects. Again, maybe it's something worth clarifying. --Yirba (talk) 23:55, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- There is an "OR:" in the text. I think this should be made more clear in the next round.. So9q (talk) 17:19, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- Sorry if I have missed it in the above discussion, but I think we need an "and" or an "or" between 2.1 and 2.2. It isn't clear to me if those are to be taken together (as in, an item to be notable must have one identifier or archival record and a reference independent from the subject). Happy to boldly reword the proposal a bit to conform with the intent once I know it. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 06:13, 23 July 2026 (UTC)
- Looks like the "or" is already there, it's just attached to the end of 2.1.2 as opposed to outdented and nested between 2.1 and 2.2. Yirba and So9q both mentioned this about halfway upthread. It's redundant where it is now, since 2.1 already says "[a]t least one external identifier or archival record". I read that as either 2.1 or 2.2 will suffice. Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) can you confirm that's the intent before Ajraddatz or anyone else rewords it? As for which one it should be, I think this is the better call for practical reasons: a requirement to satisfy both would bar items covered in serious sources that have no identifier or archival entry, which seems too restrictive for the project. WWB Too (talk) 16:39, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
Question I've moved all comments about the AND vs OR into this dedicated section so we can come to a conclusion. I had put OR and it was AND in earlier unpublished drafts. I'd love to hear more input: Should it be OR? AND? Or does anyone have another different idea to work around this? Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:15, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- In my opinion surely OR, because requiring "At least one external identifier or archival record" AND "At least one reference" would exclude from notability a lot of entities which are described by reliable printed sources but not (yet) in online databases having an external-id property in Wikidata (from my comment of June 9). Epìdosis 13:05, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- Agree with Epìdosis in favoring OR. Requiring both would exclude subjects covered by reliable sources but lacking an identifier or archival coverage, which is too restrictive. WWB Too (talk) 00:57, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- I support the new proposed policy as far as it is clear that in N2 we have an OR, not an AND between identifiers and references. I think is the spirit, but I see also confusion on how to interpret the text. Mariana Fossatti (WK?) (talk) 21:15, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
- In my opinion surely OR, because requiring "At least one external identifier or archival record" AND "At least one reference" would exclude from notability a lot of entities which are described by reliable printed sources but not (yet) in online databases having an external-id property in Wikidata (from my comment of June 9). Epìdosis 13:05, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- My support is conditional on this being an OR, as said below. There are plenty of people who are Wikipedia notable and who have full books about them who don't have identifiers. We shouldn't be forced to not include these people until they get a Wikipedia article. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:56, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- Also, to clarify further, there are many classes of thing for which no identifier types exist. This would make creating items on them impossible regardless of how much sourcing there is. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:23, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- I am a member of the wikiproject "Public Domain in Latin America" and the project "Strengthening the Latin-American Public Domain with Wikidata." In those communities, we create and improve items about authors in public domain, works, cultural institutions, etc. We've been discussing the proposal in depth. For us, and I think this is true also for other communities working with knowledge from the Global South, the presence of the OR between 2.1 and 2.2 in the Notability Policy is extremely necessary, given that sources are more difficult to access than in other contexts where cultural institutions are well funded. For example: - Sometimes institution identifiers exist, but other times important institutions do not provide official identifiers for their entries. - Sometimes we don't find records in cultural institutions, but rather references in old cultural magazines, newspapers, or other old publications. Cultural institutions often have enormous gaps in their catalogs. For all these reasons, I greatly value the addition of the OR between 2.1 and 2.2, and also the addition of section 2.1.2 about archival entries in GLAM catalogs that don't have identifiers. Both are positive steps, and I will support the proposal as long as they are maintained. Pepe piton (talk) 16:53, 28 August 2026 (UTC)
Who are we to decide what is notable for the entire world?
[edit]There is a much more fundamental problem here that I do not think this proposal addresses at all:
Who are we to decide, from a predominantly Global North perspective, what is or is not notable for every community in the world?
Imagine a community whose knowledge is transmitted primarily through oral tradition, with little written documentation and virtually no digital footprint.
Who exactly are editors sitting in London, Berlin or elsewhere in highly digitised societies to decide that a person, organisation, cultural practice or body of knowledge within that community is "not notable"?
Not documented according to your standards does not mean not important.
Not digitised does not mean not important.
Not covered by newspapers does not mean not important.
Not catalogued by an institution that Wikidata editors happen to recognise does not mean not important.
And absence from the Internet certainly does not mean absence from human knowledge.
This is not a hypothetical concern.
We already have editors applying unwritten standards and personal essays to argue for the deletion of books and items about scientists from developing countries because they supposedly lack sufficient "notability". Now the proposed solution is to make the notability policy even stricter.
That is absurd.
The problem is not merely that some communities have fewer sources. The problem is that we are defining what counts as a valid source, what counts as sufficient documentation and ultimately what counts as a human being, book, organisation or cultural entity worthy of representation according to standards developed in societies with radically different documentary infrastructures.
A scientist from a wealthy country may leave behind university profiles, ORCID records, Scopus entries, institutional repositories, newspaper coverage and multiple national authority identifiers almost automatically.
A scientist doing equally important work in a poorer country may have a CV in a university drawer, publications in journals that were never digitised, records in databases inaccessible from abroad and almost no searchable online presence.
Then an editor sitting thousands of kilometres away looks at Google, finds little, and concludes: "not notable".
That is not a neutral application of policy.
That is structural bias being mistaken for objectivity.
The same applies to books. A book published in English, French or German within a highly catalogued publishing ecosystem leaves a large institutional footprint. A book published in Swahili, an Indigenous language, or by a small publisher in the Global South may leave almost none.
Does that make the first book inherently more worthy of a Wikidata item?
Of course not.
It only means one society produced the kind of documentary trail that our editors know how to find.
And this is exactly why I find the direction of this reform so troubling. Instead of asking how Wikidata can better represent knowledge that existing systems have historically failed to document, you are proposing stronger mechanisms to reproduce those same omissions.
People are forgotten.
Scientists are forgotten.
Books disappear.
Local organisations disappear.
Entire communities can leave almost no digital trace.
Wikidata should be one of the tools that helps prevent that erasure, not a system that says: "You were not sufficiently documented by institutions we recognise, therefore you do not qualify to exist in our knowledge graph."
And again, what exactly is the philosophical basis for this distinction?
A murderer who receives intense international media coverage for a few weeks can easily become "notable" under conventional criteria.
A midwife who served an isolated community for fifty years may leave almost no written record.
Is the murderer more worthy of representation in human knowledge?
A fraudulent businessman covered extensively by newspapers may easily satisfy a notability threshold.
A scientist from an underfunded university in a developing country may not.
Does the first person deserve a QID more than the second?
This should make it obvious that notability is not importance.
Notoriety is not importance.
Media attention is not importance.
Digital visibility is not importance.
Institutional visibility is not importance.
These are proxies produced by particular social and economic systems, and they are distributed extremely unevenly across the world.
This is also why I fundamentally reject the premise that Wikidata must distinguish between "notable" and "non-notable" people or organisations in the first place.
If every reliably identifiable registered company were represented, no company could claim prestige merely from having a Wikidata item. A QID would simply identify an entity.
If broad classes of people were represented according to verifiability, privacy and ethical criteria rather than some vague judgement of importance, having a Wikidata item would likewise cease to imply that the community had declared someone "important".
It is selective inclusion that creates this distinction.
And then we use the distinction we created as justification for further exclusion.
For living people, we absolutely need privacy and data-protection rules.
For false information, we need verifiability rules.
For spam, we need anti-spam rules.
For promotional editing, we need conflict-of-interest rules.
For bad mass imports, we need mass-editing and data-quality rules.
For technical capacity, we need technical solutions and prioritisation.
But none of those problems requires us to appoint ourselves judges of which human beings, books, companies, organisations and cultures are important enough to exist.
I find it particularly concerning that a proposal with such profound implications for the representation of the Global South and marginalised knowledge is being developed largely through the epistemic assumptions and documentary practices of the Global North.
A brief "knowledge equity" exception does not fix that.
You cannot build a gate according to Global North standards and then claim equity because you added a small door for everyone else.
The burden should be reversed.
If an entity can be responsibly identified and described, those proposing its exclusion should explain the concrete harm caused by its presence.
"Not notable enough according to our unwritten standards" is not a sufficient answer for a global, multilingual and multicultural knowledge graph. Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton (talk) 04:09, 23 July 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for putting my unease into writing. You are absolutely spot on regarding the list of problems to be resolved through specific policies, none of which require "us" (Wikidata editors) to make global value statements about the importance of specific items and the infrastructures of knowledge production any one society or community might operate under. Reinforcing the epistemic violence of the current technology stack and hegemonic knowledge ecologies is certainly not a path to embark on. OpenArabicPE (talk) 21:26, 14 August 2026 (UTC)
Some additional data
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In light of the recent significant increase in promotional Item creation I have asked our data analyst to get some statistics. Here are graphs for
- how many Items per month are being created and how many of those were created by accounts with less than 20 edits and less than 50 edits within the month.
- how many Items per month are being deleted and how many of those were created by accounts with less than 20 and less than 50 edits within the month.
What I take away from these graphs and observing the increase in promotional Item creation: We are seeing an influx of Items by editors who have little interest in contributing to Wikidata beyond their own direct benefit and that are putting a strain on our admins. Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 13:37, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- I agree with your overall point, but I think there's a confounding factor in the statistics. In my experience, there are many good faith editors who (probably participating in some outreach event) create a lot of items in a short period but don't bring any into a maintainable state, so the items end up getting deleted. They're trying to contribute, but they don't know how.
- Also, thanks for the charts, but please consider using distinct colours or line styles, rather than just three greens. :)
- Bovlb (talk) 15:33, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- Fair point on the colors. And yeah it is certainly not only promotional Item creation but this sudden steep increase I can't really explain otherwise. Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 15:37, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the graphs Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) , very interesting. I would say the easiest way to solve this problem is to disable item creation feature from everyone under 500 edits. Or do you think the spammers would try to create 500 meaningful edits before they start spamming? After that the Wikidata editathons would be about how to edit existing old items rather than creating new. And while volunteers edit the existing items they will learn the culture and once they are given the right to create new items, they would not create so many items that are to be deleted. If this sounds too rough maybe the confirmed Wikipedia editors (extendedconfirmed, autoreview, editor, what else there is?) could be given the right to create items already before they hit the 500 edits milestone. Jjanhone (talk) 10:14, 3 August 2026 (UTC)
- The issue with overly restricting new item creation is that improving existing items often requires new items. When i try to improve items, number one issue is unsourced statements. Best sources are books, and to add book as source via stated in i need to add an item for written work and edition. Then, if i want quality items for book, i probably also need an item for author and publisher, so everything turns into a campaign of creating new items. This is very different from wikipedias where small new contributions could be just edits to wikitext. So restrictions need to be careful in this area. MSDN.WhiteKnight (talk) 04:31, 5 August 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the graphs Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) , very interesting. I would say the easiest way to solve this problem is to disable item creation feature from everyone under 500 edits. Or do you think the spammers would try to create 500 meaningful edits before they start spamming? After that the Wikidata editathons would be about how to edit existing old items rather than creating new. And while volunteers edit the existing items they will learn the culture and once they are given the right to create new items, they would not create so many items that are to be deleted. If this sounds too rough maybe the confirmed Wikipedia editors (extendedconfirmed, autoreview, editor, what else there is?) could be given the right to create items already before they hit the 500 edits milestone. Jjanhone (talk) 10:14, 3 August 2026 (UTC)
- Fair point on the colors. And yeah it is certainly not only promotional Item creation but this sudden steep increase I can't really explain otherwise. Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 15:37, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
Items from archives
[edit]Regarding items that would be considered notable based on archives, there's potential issue that some items described by archive entries are very small. For example, in Russian art archive the archive entry could describe exhibition announcement or couple of photographs. We probably want an item for artist described by archive entry, but not for every photo, document or artwork (including drawings). Is it possible to have consensus-based notability guidelines for concrete area, like Wikipedias have? MSDN.WhiteKnight (talk) 05:09, 5 August 2026 (UTC)
Proposal: request option for restricted item creation
[edit]First, I should disclose that I offer consulting services to companies, organizations and individuals on Wikipedia and occasionally Wikidata. My comment necessarily reflects my own interests, but I believe my perspective has something to add.
The current proposed wording bans COI item creation entirely. Jjanhone has suggested conditional permission, and as much as I would personally enjoy this privilege, there seems to be little interest in this approach. So I'd like to propose something narrower, which keeps the prohibition intact, but offers a path forward.
The paragraph's closing sentence, as recently revised, now says if you have a COI, not to worry, a qualifying item "might" be created "eventually." The problem is obvious: no mechanism exists for the proposal and review of new items. But a fairly straightforward solution exists, and has been suggested previously:
- Epìdosis first suggested a Notability/Questions page in Round 1, and it now appears in the draft itself for pre-creation questions.
- Arlo Barnes suggested a board where non-conflicted editors could evaluate a topic on request.
- Jasper Deng, while otherwise supporting the prohibition on COI item creation, wrote that "anyone with a COI should be able to request an item on the entity they want."
So there is some pre-existing support for this idea, it just hasn't been recognized as such. I would suggest replacing the final sentence of the paragraph with:
- If you believe a subject covered by this restriction meets Wikidata's notability criteria, you may request its creation at Wikidata:Notability/Questions, including your disclosure per Wikidata:Disclosure of paid editing, the proposed statements, and the sources or identifiers that satisfy criterion 2.
This way, if an item is genuinely within the scope of Wikidata but the person proposing it is covered by this restriction, here is a process whereby it can be reviewed. From the community perspective, I think this is preferable to the current whack-a-mole, where an item created via COI turns up at requests for deletions and consumes admin time either way. The same venue could also be useful in situations like the one Emwille and ArthurPSmith describe, where an identifier has not yet become publicly visible. WWB Too (talk) 03:25, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
Knowledge equity guidelines
[edit]I’ve been working on a guide that may be useful for considering knowledge equity when we need to distinguish the notability of an item. Perhaps one of the most common reasons for deletion requests is self-promotion, which is why this guide emphasizes its distinction from marginalized knowledge. For now, it’s an essay, and I imagine it will continue to evolve and may eventually become a guideline. Wondering if it might be helpful to link it in the “knowledge equity” section of the proposed policy. Of course, from there, the community should continue working on it both during and after the final decision on the notability policy. --Mariana Fossatti (WK?) (talk) 21:33, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
- I think we should take this as a starting point to define "Knowledge equity" much more clearer than in the current proposal. Otherwise there will be inevitably people claiming that a SEO expert from Central Europe is being concerned by "marginalized knowledge" (@Kordishal, Mondo:). --Dorades (talk) 11:34, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- I don't know what you were reading, but I have not claimed in any way that the subject and item creator herself was concerned about marginalized knowledge. I simply commented to point out that due to her status as a polish woman in a male dominated field, that is likely to be of interest to some scholars now and in the future, she represent a small piece of marginalized knowledge. There are currently 25 male SEO specialists and 10 female SEO specialists on Wikidata.
- Because of this I pointed out, that this represents a conflict between the policy on marginalized knowledge and self-promotion. As a result anyone discussing it should consider this before deciding to delete the item. However, I did not vote to keep, I simply commented, precisely because this could represent a problematic precedent for future Women who are SEO something and then claim this argument for themselves when trying to self-promote. Which probably would be completely a waste of time but still.
- And personally I would like to read some scholarly output why SEO people are now targeting Wikidata for their snake oil products. And then it would be nice if women were similarly represented in such a study as men. And Wikidata could serve as a starting point to find people and resources. Kordishal (talk) 06:30, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- Sorry, I think I didn't make clear what I wanted to say here. In the context of Wikidata, "marginalized knowledge" does not refer to the commercial interests of a subject that, due to its geographical location, is not affected by marginalized knowledge at all. "Knowledge equity" is not a factor here at all. Please have a look at the linked document, especially Wikidata:Knowledge_Equity_Guidelines#Comparison:_self-promotion_vs_underrepresented_topics. --Dorades (talk) 10:18, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have read the document before, but didn't fully consider it the full definition of "marginalized knowledge" on Wikidata. I concede the point that by this somewhat strict definition her item does not fall into the category. As there exists a VIAF entry about her she is not in danger of being erased in the way that "marginalized knowledge" seeks to prevent.
- That being said, she is still a member of a marginalized group and a reference on Wikidata could help with that, but that would have to be argued in a different way. This is likely more the area of wiki projects for women / gender gap and others that promote knowledge about marginalized groups and individuals and I am less sure if that should be used as a criteria to ignore the self-creation/self-promotion rule.
- That being said the essay/guideline likely should include a clear distinction between the two cases. Kordishal (talk) 11:05, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- Sorry, I think I didn't make clear what I wanted to say here. In the context of Wikidata, "marginalized knowledge" does not refer to the commercial interests of a subject that, due to its geographical location, is not affected by marginalized knowledge at all. "Knowledge equity" is not a factor here at all. Please have a look at the linked document, especially Wikidata:Knowledge_Equity_Guidelines#Comparison:_self-promotion_vs_underrepresented_topics. --Dorades (talk) 10:18, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
Round 3: Votes
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Support This is definitely an improvement over what we have now, and I like the list of points to consider; in the end this will be a matter of community judgment on what belongs here. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:28, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
Support I approve the change for WD:N 2. At least they will make vanity edit more harder. :) --Fralambert (talk) 17:42, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
Support Nicely balanced. - PKM (talk) 19:55, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
Support because it improves on the present situation; I think in N2 having OR is fine because requiring "At least one external identifier or archival record" AND "At least one reference" would exclude from notability a lot of entities which are described by reliable printed sources but not (yet) in online databases having an external-id property in Wikidata. But at the same time, as I have said multiple times above (the last one in #Round 2: External identifiers: When do they support notability and when do they not), I remained concerned that just saying "At least one external identifier" without specifying which external IDs imply notability and which do not imply notability (e.g. ORCID iD (P496)) and how to determine which external IDs imply notability and which do not imply notability is a big issue, especially in perspective. So basically I think the new reformed policy, while restricting slightly the notability and making it slighly more clearer what is notable and what is not, still leaves a very big area of discretionality about which external-IDs imply notability and which do not imply it, and we will probably have to settle this issue soon in another long discussion like this. So I think this is a good step forward, but is still unsufficient to make the notability situation clear enough. --Epìdosis 22:08, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
- I will publish some data I have for this now in #Round_2:_External_identifiers:_When_do_they_support_notability_and_when_do_they_not in a bit to move the discussion about which ones should be supporting notability and which ones should not forward. Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:19, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
Support Ainali (talk) 10:07, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
Oppose The proposal still does not include important caveats to make sure that it doesn't have an impact on underrepresented knowledge. Many people (including myself) have questioned the process to reach to this policy, that still doesn't include the people that might be most affected by it. Scann (talk) 15:18, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
- Do you have a suggestion for how to improve the situation and reach those people? So9q (talk) 17:12, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- I remain opposed to the inclusion of Wikimedia Commons in Criterion 1. This is because Wikimedia Commons has no notability criteria for categories, yet Commons categories are treated as equivalent to articles here on Wikidata. Consequently, the door remains wide open for users to effectively "game the system" and secure a data object via Wikimedia Commons.
- Furthermore, in my view, Wiktionary is being incorporated incorrectly into Criterion 1. According to the proposal mentioned earlier, the "zero" namespace (i.e., dictionary entries) is supposed to be excluded; however, the current wording does not reflect this.
- Otherwise, I am satisfied with the proposal. I would therefore vote with
Conditional support. --Gymnicus (talk) 19:45, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
- Does this proposal use Commons as a positive example to emulate? This discussion is hard for me to follow, and that bit is especially bewildering. Jerimee (talk) 20:15, 5 October 2026 (UTC)
- I like many parts of the proposal and I thank Lydia for the work she's doing, especially the section about marginalised knowledge, but I
Oppose it in its current form (I prefer not to use the {{Strong oppose}}template in order not to create problems 😉), due to the section "In order to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, creating an Item about yourself, your close relatives or your business is not permitted." Wikidata consists of over 50% scholarly metadata (Lubiana, Rasberry, Mietchen 2025), largely due to the WikiCite project (of which Lydia has been a main supporter), thereby supporting discoverability and reliability in the research ecosystem. By restricting researchers from creating content about themselves and their outcomes, the policy undermines scientific self-curation, which I believe is one of the platform's major advantages, especially in the age of AI. See also the recent online course for researchers (Burton, Areia, Bartov).—super nabla(🪰 msg) 00:02, 21 June 2026 (UTC)
Conditional support, its better than the current policy, but still vague. 2.1.1 is my main concern. Currently, you see alot of fighting at RFD about what counts as "serious and publicly available references", but at least with this, people generally have the heuristics from enwiki that paid placements, press releases, and trivial mentions do not constitute serious and publicly available references. However, 2.1.1 will now add people arguing about what counts as an "independent authority" which seems to offer less clarity and have less clear heuristics than what counts as "serious and publicly available references." --IntensionalLogician (talk) 21:44, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
- +1 What is meant by independent? Independent from the contributor? From WMF? So9q (talk) 17:20, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- Independent from the subject. Does anyone have suggestions for how to improve this? Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:21, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- Rather than have a blanket policy for this, it would probably be better to discuss if the issuing authority is independent on a per external identifier basis. We could broaden Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316) and use it on any properties that have consensus as independent authorities. When proposing a new property, there could be a section where the proposer indicates if it the issuer is intended to be independent. Existing external IDs can be handled as they come up, but there needs to be a discussion around government issued ones like SIRET number (P3215) which anyone can get with a bit of work. -- IntensionalLogician (talk) 18:53, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- Independent from the subject. Does anyone have suggestions for how to improve this? Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:21, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- +1 What is meant by independent? Independent from the contributor? From WMF? So9q (talk) 17:20, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
Oppose I feel I need to oppose this, and appreciate and agree with the comments above by Super nabla and Scann. This decision is informed by my own past experiences, which I'd like to share. I came to Wikidata after leaving Wikipedia because I felt strongly that their notability policy was weaponized by certain editors to delete articles about historically marginalized groups and people, and ultimately drive editors away who wished to create articles about those people. I've also created items for authors after creating Name Authority Records (NAR) in Library of Congress' database for them, and had at least two I can recall deleted. One because the NAR had not yet reached the public interface and the link did not resolve, and one because I waited until the link would resolve before adding it. At times this can well exceed 24 hours (we have a government shutdown problem sometimes). I've also had an author item deleted that I created because the person was the author of an article. None of these were the end of the world, and the editors restored them after I contacted them and explained the situation. But I have never been contacted about an item I created before it was deleted, and even at my comparatively very low output these were frustrating. I worry that by adding more criteria and more potential hoops for people to jump through, we will discourage item creation and new editors, especially by and about the members of marginalized communities we want to include. I sympathize with editors that struggle with unclear criteria in deciding if an item is notable or not, but I worry that implementing these changes will cost us more than we will gain. Apologies for typing a novella at you, and thank you everyone for your work and discussion. --Emwille (talk) 20:06, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- There is a good point raised here - items may be added to Wikidata at the same time they are being added in external reliable sources like this, but before those additions are visible to the outside world. Is there any way we can have a standard process for indicating that this item refers to an entity that will soon be available in a standard reference source, but is not there yet? I can imagine many situations where this will come up, not just for marginalized groups. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:44, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
- We could have a new "waiting" namespace or status on items? So9q (talk) 17:15, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- Which situations would this be? Are there any where we can not wait a bit? Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:22, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- Do you mean "where we can not wait a bit [until an external identifier is created to create the Wikidata item]?" I don't want to put words in your mouth, just trying to clarify what I'm answering. If it was a different question feel free to disregard.
- My current workflow for creating an NAR and Wikidata item:
- Create the WD item
- Create the Name Authority Record [NAR] and add the Wikidata item in an 024
- Submit the NAR to the authority file and forget about the whole thing
- LCCNbot adds the LCCN from the NAR to the WD item for me (thanks!)
- A new workflow where I waited a bit would probably look like:
- Create an NAR
- Wait a few days to see if it's made it out of distribution to the public side.
- There's no notification so I have to manually check every time.
- If there's a government shutdown who knows how long it will take to come out of distribution.
- Once it's out of distribution, create a Wikidata item and include the LCCN in the WD item.
- Go back in to the LCCN and edit it to include the Wikidata item in an 024 field (if no one else has edited it and locked it for distribution again) and resubmit to the authority file.
- That might not sound like a whole lot more, but it severs one process I can do simultaneously into two separate processes where I have to keep checking to see if I can do process two, and in reality I'll just stop creating Wikidata items for corresponding NARs. I'll still do other stuff, but I do this as a volunteer. No one in my reporting line will care or probably even notice if I stop, and making it more difficult for me is going to be a good enough reason to take it off my plate.
- And I think that needs to be a factor overall. You're building a taller fence to keep people out because they're submitting items that don't meet the notability criteria, but how many people are you going to accidentally drive away because they get an item deleted on Monday because it doesn't have an external identifier publicly available until Tuesday? Emwille (talk) 20:33, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
- Hi, I think my experience is similar in some aspects so I share it! I have editing access to the authority file of OPAC SBN (Q105086090) (i.e. SBN author ID (P396)), where I can edit existing authority records or create new ones; the backend is copied into the public interface once a week (or two weeks, in a few cases of national holidays, or unforeseable technical issues); so while I am certain my edits are approved, they might be visible after a few days, usually no more than 7. It has happened to me, in a few occasion, to follow a worflow very similar to the one of @Emwille::
- 1) create a new SBN ID
- 2) create WD and put in it the SBN ID [the item always has also other sources, but sometimes its notability rests mainly on the presence of P396]
- 3) after some days, the ID SBN becomes visible
- So in my case, the issue would mainly be the following: if, when I create a new SBN ID, I have to wait until it becomes visible to create the corresponding Wikidata item (because, if the SBN ID is not yet visible, the item might not be notable), the procedure becomes more complex because I have to annotate somewhere that I should create a Wikidata item for a certain SBN ID and come back after some days to create it; doing everything in the same minutes is more efficient, the other option, as Emwille very well said, "severs one process I can do simultaneously into two separate processes".
- That said, I have a few more reflections:
- A) specifically on the NAR, because I don't know exactly how this aspect works: when you submit the NAR to the authority file do you get assigned an ID which then becomes visible after approval or the ID is assigned only when the approval happens? In the case of SBN, I see the ID in the moment in which I create the ID, so I can instantly use it in Wikidata, although if clicked the ID would lead to a blank page until the weekly update of the public interface happens; if you have the ID instantly, I would suggest you to add it in Wikidata just after the creation (although still inactive) to demonstrate its existence, because
- B) in my experience, the items I have created whose notability relied on a not-yet-visible SBN ID have never been questioned (probably because no one opened them in the few days before SBN was visible), so I expect the same would happen in similar cases for items based on NAR; and, in general, I think that if we know that a not-yet-valid ID has been added by a user able to create IDs in the same database, and the user says the ID will soon be visibly valid, accepting the item is the most reasonable solution for us;
- C) if, conversely, NAR assigns the ID only after validation, I would suggest one of these two possibilities: edit "they meet at least one of the above criteria within 24 hours" enlarging to some days (one week?) the timespan to check if the item reaches notability, which could avoid issues for these items but possibly creating more serious issues in other fields; or just adding Library of Congress Authorities ID (P244) with novalue and a qualifier has characteristic (P1552) with value "record created but not yet visible" or something similar, and then instructing @LccnBot: to delete this when it adds the definitive ID. Epìdosis 21:32, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
- I can confirm that the identifier for a Library of Congress Name Authority record is available immediately after the record is submitted. However, it's very easy to forget to add the identifier into Wikidata after submitting the record, which is why we created Lccnbot. Mcampany (talk) 23:06, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
- Yep! I would also add that after I had a Wikidata item deleted because the LCCN was not *publicly* available yet (it was available to me and I put it in the Wikidata item) and when someone clicked on the link in the Wikidata item it did not go to a valid LCCN I was happy to let LCCNBot do the work because a. I'm happy to let bots handle it when they can and b. I thought a link added by a bot might be seen as more reputable and less likely to get an item deleted. Has LCCNbot had any issues you know of with its edits and associated items being deleted by editors because the LCCN isn't publicly available yet?
- I should also add the editor who deleted the item willingly restored it quickly after I explained the situation, which I do appreciate. It was still frustrating though. Emwille (talk) 00:18, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- Hmm... I don't think I've run into that issue yet, and I'm not sure what would happen if the bot tried to add an LCNAF identifier to an item that no longer exists. @Thisismattmiller would know, though. He does all of the heavy lifting coding-wise. Mcampany (talk) 00:36, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- The API calls will fail if it tries to add a P244 to a deleted item. So nothing will happen. I looked in the last year of edits by the bot there were ~30 times it added a p244 and someone removed it, all for normal maintenance reason looks like. Thisismattmiller (talk) 20:59, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- Hmm... I don't think I've run into that issue yet, and I'm not sure what would happen if the bot tried to add an LCNAF identifier to an item that no longer exists. @Thisismattmiller would know, though. He does all of the heavy lifting coding-wise. Mcampany (talk) 00:36, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- I can confirm that the identifier for a Library of Congress Name Authority record is available immediately after the record is submitted. However, it's very easy to forget to add the identifier into Wikidata after submitting the record, which is why we created Lccnbot. Mcampany (talk) 23:06, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
- There is a good point raised here - items may be added to Wikidata at the same time they are being added in external reliable sources like this, but before those additions are visible to the outside world. Is there any way we can have a standard process for indicating that this item refers to an entity that will soon be available in a standard reference source, but is not there yet? I can imagine many situations where this will come up, not just for marginalized groups. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:44, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
Support A marked improvement over the current policy. William Graham (talk) 14:54, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
Oppose The phrasing under other options is a bit misleading. I would prefer something like this instead:
orIf your data does not fit Wikidata's notability criteria, you may wish to consider creating or contributing to another Wikibase instance. Wikibase Cloud and Wikibase Suite provide software for hosting independent knowledge bases that can support data outside Wikidata's scope. While these projects are part of the broader Wikibase ecosystem, they are separate from Wikidata, and integration between independent Wikibase instances and Wikidata is currently limited.
--So9q (talk) 17:07, 30 June 2026 (UTC)If your data does not fit Wikidata's notability criteria, another Wikibase instance may be an appropriate place for it. However, independent Wikibase instances are separate projects from Wikidata, and users should not expect integration, discoverability, or interoperability with Wikidata.
Oppose see discussion. Jjanhone (talk) 18:33, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
Conditional support I oppose if wikisource subpages are not considered, because wikisource transclusion has a maximum limit. So pages containing recipes like those on s:id:Mustikarasa/Tortilla cannot created wikidata items. Empat Tilda (talk) 17:44, 12 July 2026 (UTC)
Support That's a tough piece of work with a nice outcome. Not perfect, it never is, but it's good policy. --Denny (talk) 12:46, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
Support -- Ooligan (talk) 05:28, 18 July 2026 (UTC)
Support We need to reform our policy due to the fact that today's Internet is no longer the Internet we knew 14 years ago, when this project is started. I think that, however imperfect, this proposal is strongly addressing the problem of spam and self-promotion, which is a growing problem on the platform. I would be also in favour of So9q's phrasing for alternatives, but I can do without. --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 19:16, 18 July 2026 (UTC)
Strong oppose
I strongly oppose this reform in its current form, and not merely because of one particular clause.
The proposal takes real problems, such as spam, self-promotion, poor-quality mass imports and maintenance burden, and attempts to solve them by restricting what knowledge is allowed to exist in Wikidata. These are different problems and should not be conflated.
Wikidata is not Wikipedia. It is a general-purpose knowledge graph. An entity does not need to be "important" in an encyclopaedic sense to be useful as structured data. If an entity can be clearly identified, reliably distinguished from other entities and supported by verifiable information, the burden should be on demonstrating why its presence is harmful, not on forcing it through an increasingly subjective test of "notability".
This proposal risks formalising precisely the kind of systemic bias that Wikidata should be reducing. What counts as "significant coverage", a "serious" source, an "independent authority", or even an entity sufficiently important to deserve representation is not culturally neutral. These concepts strongly favour subjects documented according to the institutional, publishing and digital practices of wealthier countries.
A company in Europe, a book published in English, or a cultural institution in North America is far more likely to have the kinds of sources, identifiers and digital footprints that editors recognise immediately. A local organisation in Pirapora do Bom Jesus, a publication in Swahili, an Indigenous cultural entity, or an institution in a poorly digitised region may be perfectly real, identifiable and relevant while leaving a completely different documentary footprint.
The proposed "Knowledge equity" paragraph does not solve this. A single sentence saying that marginalised knowledge will be "taken into consideration" does not compensate for adopting criteria that structurally create the problem in the first place.
I also reject the idea that technical scaling, spam or administrator workload should be solved through epistemic exclusion. We should address mass creation through mass-editing policies, poor data through sourcing and modelling requirements, and promotional behaviour through conduct and conflict-of-interest rules. None of those requires us to import a Wikipedia-like conception of notability into a general-purpose knowledge graph.
Before adopting a substantially more restrictive policy, we should have evidence that the current inclusion criteria themselves are the cause of the stated problems, an assessment of which existing classes of items would be excluded, and an impact analysis across languages, regions and knowledge systems.
We do not have that.
The proposal should therefore not be adopted in its current form. Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton (talk) 03:56, 23 July 2026 (UTC)
- This would imply that every single living person and every single company on the Earth is notable and can have a Wikidata item, since there are sources confirming their existence. I do not think there is community consensus that this would be an acceptable development. Ymblanter (talk) 11:00, 24 July 2026 (UTC)
- Living people 'only' constitute eight (or nine in a decade or so) billion records, which is a lot but not in theory impossible to record. But of course, the majority of those people not only are not already recorded in a public manner but wouldn't want to be. And there would be little benefit to recording someone whose documentary influence doesn't extend beyond a limited locale consisting of their immediate community, and potentially significant harm, especially if they are not consulted. On the other hand, someone who does want to be in the database may either have benign intentions, like adding context to an existing item, or may simply wish to self-promote. Whether this itself should be considered harmful depends on what we consider Wikidatans to be WD:HERE to do. Arlo Barnes (talk) 18:51, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- I think Rodrigo is scared of having sources verified by a non-local and having to cite online sources. Neither is a requirement of the proposal. Wikidata has properties for citing a book. If you want to make a proposal to dissalow people that do not speak the language that a source depicts to verify it, then I will gladly support that. Snævar (talk) 16:46, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
Oppose Hi, I am pretty new here, but I would still like to put my opinion on this. When I first started to edit Wikidata, I had felt it odd that there is a notability policy in the first place. Now since it was very permissive you could ultimately argue for pretty much anything to be added, but clearly that has led to many conflicts between those that maintain Wikidata and those that wish to add new items to Wikidata. I understand why this policy update is being drafted, and I do believe it would be useful in maintaining Wikidata. However, it seems to me that there is a fundamental conflict between wanting notability to ensure maintainability and correctness and wanting to help spread and preserve marginalized knowledge.
To me it appears the primary purpose of this change in policy is to make it easier for administrators and editors to decide if they should delete an item or not. Making it harder to add marginalized items is a side effect of that purpose.
One part of this is that the essay in maintainability possits that shared stewardship requires any person to be able to verify what an item is. I don't disagree with the sentiment, but it is impossible for all knowledge to be verifiably by all people. An editor in Londen will never be able to check if a person was actually mentioned in some physical archive in a small town somewhere in Senegal.
So either the policy should be changed to ensure that only items can be added that can be digitally verified from "authorized" sources and acknowledging that this excludes knowledge about marginalized topics and entities or it should be kept as permissive as it currently is to ultimately allow any kind of knowledge to be added to Wikidata. Only the latter would allow Wikidata to fill a role of preserving and dissiminating marginalized knowledge.
A second issue to me is, that the question on whether or not something should be on Wikidata should not be "Is this entity notable?", instead it should be "Is this useful to a project or purpose that Wikidata is supposed to support?".
The first rule of the current policy answers the second question, because Wikidata is used as interwiki link. As a result any items created from these links are useful to Wikidata, because they help fulfull its primary (or at least one important) purpose. That many of these items fullfil the criteria of notability from their host wiki is only circumstancial.
The third rule also answers this second question, because they are useful to describe other items on Wikidata. This is desirable since this is supposed to be a knowledge graph and having more connections is generally a good thing.
The second rule on the other hand just states, that it has to be something that exists and that someone has written about somewhere. While the policy change attempts to specifiy what this means, I don't think it is a fundamentally useful question for an open knoweldge graph. Any inclusion of data in Wikidata has a goal, that may be tracking knowledge from other knowledge graphs (like authority files, geonames, gene data bases), dissimenate knowledge about research, self-promotion etc. It would seem more useful to me to track the goals of entities and connect them to a process outside of Wikidata and then decide deletions policies based on that. This would for example ensure that the open knowledge graph could absolutely be used to support open science and scholars in dissemenating their research. Of course I don't know how this could be exactly implemented, and it would definitely not be possible to decide something like that here.
Support After I've been reading some delete stuff, others opinions, familiarizing myself with the knowledge equity guidelines and more I think I can see that the risk of deleting marginalized knowledge is fairly low. Deletion of knowledge about marginalized subjects is still at risk, but this is difficult to host on Wikidata anyway since we can't be a place to host original research. So I am changing my vote to support as well. A minor adjustement I would make is to clarify the text in N#2.2 as it first speaks of just one source, but then from multiple sources. I think it should me made clear that one source is sufficient, but multiple are preferred. A potential name change will need to be discussed separately.
Kordishal (talk) 10:52, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comment.
- I don't think anyone is arguing that maintainability depends on every editor being able to access every source, or that only online sources are acceptable. In particular, WD:MAINTAIN offers the much weaker position that it should be possible for some editors other than the item creator to maintain the item. In my experience of reviewing item creations, the real frontier is at the other end of the spectrum: whether any sourcing or external identification is provided at all.
- I agree that we should avoid making it unnecessarily difficult to preserve marginalized knowledge, but Wikidata is not designed to be a primary source. If Wikidata is the only place in the world where an entity is described or a claim is documented, then other editors have no independent basis on which to maintain that information. We need to accommodate knowledge documented in difficult-to-access sources without abandoning the requirement that there be some basis for shared stewardship beyond the knowledge of the item creator. Bovlb (talk) 14:07, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
- To be honest I probably read your Maintainability essay stricter than you meant it. It was a pretty specific.
- Do you think it would be possible to kind of create an overview over how many items would be deleted if this change in policy was applied strictly? At the very least that would be items with no external identifiers, no qualifiers on any statements with external urls of any kind, and no statements with links to other items that have some kind of authority by themselves. It wouldn't be trivial and not fully representative, but potentially such a dataset could maybe be used to determine if there is a set of items that are not at all covered by a strict reading of this new policy. And just to be clear I don't think there is any intention of doing automated deletes in such a manner in response to this policy reform.
- And to maybe be a bit more concrete:
- On policy 2.2, am I understanding that correctly that the first sentence means an item must have at least one independent reference, and the rest of the point is (beyond an explanation of what a valid reference is in this context) that there should be more than one reference? If yes, then maybe the policy could be a bit more explicit about this.
- Then to be a bit more constructive about the concerns around marginalized knowledge. I think that the current disclaimer on knowledge equity puts all the responsibility of getting it right on the deletion process of an item. I am not currently familiar with that process in detail, but do you think there are resources and options in that process that ensure that people from marginalized communities can make their case? And that admins/editors who arbitrate deletions have the resources to make informed decisions? I think it would be useful to expand the section on Knowledge equity with concrete measures or links to concrete policies that are intended to prevent marginalized knowledge from being deleted for the wrong reasons. Instead of the current verbal only affirmation.
- That being said, I absolutely agree with you that Wikidata cannot be a primary knowledge-base for any kind of knowledge. So some kind of external reference is always needed. We just need to make sure that these references are respected even if they are not in line with Western / Global North standards.
- And lastly I really do think Notability is kind of a bad name for this policy. It immediately has a judgemental (wertend, not sure if that is a good translation) tone to it in my opinion which gives the impression that any knowledge that is not on Wikidata is not worthy of its consideration. A more neutral name like Inclusion Criteria or similar would much better serve the community, as it makes it clear that some knowledge is excluded for valid reasons, and not just because "we" (some nebulous wiki-community) decided its not worthy. Though I don't know if a name change is in the scope of this discussion or if that would need to be a separate process. Kordishal (talk) 07:05, 11 August 2026 (UTC)
- Looking at items created over a one-week period, ending one week ago, using a mechanical application of the notability policy, 1.5% still have no detected indication of notability. A further 2.6% have been deleted (2.1%) or redirected (0.5%), and might also have lacked such indications. This gives an overall range of 1.5–4.1%.
- I agree that “inclusion criteria” may be a clearer name for this policy for many newcomers. A common stumbling block I see is the distinction between the real-world significance of an entity and the evidence provided by its representation in Wikidata. Our notability criteria focus on the latter. Bovlb (talk) 17:11, 11 August 2026 (UTC)
- Oh that is a very nifty tool! Quite useful to get a quick overview. I'll definitely let you know should I find any issues, but my random jumping around was quite successful so far.
- One note https://wd-notability.toolforge.org/?qid=Q100706126, I don't think Google Knowledge Graph ID should be used as a inclusion criteria? At least not by itself, or does it not matter because its always with a wikipedia entry? Or does it currently just use all external ids to indicate STRONG 2.1?
- Kordishal (talk) 09:38, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
- The tool does does consider Google Knowledge Graph ID (P2671) to be a STRONG identifier; it's an identifier and it's not social media. I think the list could use a bit of tweaking. I hope to externalize the configuration of the tool soon. Under the "AND" interpretation of N2, this only satisfies N2a, so only raises the item to "PARTIAL-STRONG". This item also has a sitelink, making it overall STRONG. I suggest that more detailed discussion of the tool continues at its talk page. Bovlb (talk) 16:52, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
Support I support this proposal --Uschoen (talk) 19:52, 11 August 2026 (UTC)PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:48, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
Oppose due to the way #2 is written. This makes #2 contradictory and useless. I support stronger restrictions on COI item making, imo should be totally disallowed.
Support On second glance, I believe I misinterpreted this. Provided 2 is an OR, not an AND, on requiring these things (e.g. one serious, independent, reliable source OR serious notability proving identifiers like an LC authority, not both), I would support this. I would fiercely oppose it being AND; plenty of very notable people who are described in full length books do not have identifiers. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:52, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
Support, as I stated in the Project chat regarding the Deletion policy and regarding the quality of media files; my essay regarding "Do not disrupt Wikidata to illustrate a point"; Wikidata:Disclosure of paid editing which is a policy; Wikidata:Self-promotion which is currently an essay; and Wikidata:Autobiography which doesn't have a banner, so I assume than it is an essay. --Amitie 10g (talk) 20:33, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
Support There has been a need for higher requirements for a decade now. As a citizen of one of the smallest countries in existance I reject arguments of this limiting information to whatever is widely available, as that argument really does not have any merits other than being a personal opinion that has no basis in facts.--Snævar (talk) 16:30, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
Oppose I disagree that Wikidata's purpose has changed in a way that warrants a overhaul of the notability standards. This proposal seems heavily influenced by the norms of a few highly active projects that have dedicated teams enforcing strict local rules. Restricting item creation based on how proficiently a user adds sources is like trying to manage population growth by restricting who can have children, it kind of targets the wrong issue. So instead of blanket restrictions or "efficiency for efficiency's sake", creating a detailed collection of "what we dealt with in deletion requests" would be more helpful in decision-making. For example, a regional government agency in a highly populous country might serve millions of people, yet it will risk deletion. Or someone can simply unlink on the local wiki, leading it to the deletion on Wikidata. Or the fact that communities do not have the manpower to police spam or verify content at the same pace. The community of Wikidata is bringing together editors and easing the work of local wikis, and it seems to have done a great job and it can still do a great job on the "old" 2013 notability rules. Profesorul Blazat (talk) 22:35, 7 October 2026 (UTC)
Support. This is a major improvement to the current policy. I see the point on knowledge equity, but I don't think this change sets the bar too high to seriosly hamper it. The 2nd criterion could be formulated slightly more clearly by replacing "The minimum criteria:" with "if it meets at least one of the two subcriteria below:". Samoasambia ✎ 12:09, 12 October 2026 (UTC)